Something VERY strange happened to me last night involving the Larry King Live show!!!

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Yes, ATS does happen to be a shark tank if you haven't noticed. I see ideas and theories get ripped to shreds every day when there are no facts or proof to back them up. Sorry to burst your bubble but information without knowledge to back it up is ignorance. And the motto of the site is to DENY IGNORANCE which is what people normally do on this site.

edit...cuz mi speling sux!

[edit on 7/13/2008 by Mad_Hatter]

Welcome to the law firm of

ATS

reply to post by lovepens1


Fine fair enough, then take it with a grain of salt and move on.

5 pages of this back and forth drivel don't make anything less ignorant.

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You are absolutely correct there sir! I wish everyone thought this way on ATS.

[edit on 7/13/2008 by Mad_Hatter]

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That's fine - it's all in the context of why you rip those things apart. Seeking facts GOOD.

Doing it to point out how much smarter/less naive you are than someone else EGOTISTICAL and CHILDISH.

To me, the way starcraft used that line reeked of the latter.

reply to post by lovepens1

What's the point of asking calling around and asking questions when you can't remeber the answers? Why is that?

But when land a interview with the Air Force and Lockhead Martin reps. You just talk and can't remember one stinking name.

But you remember what power Ricky Sorrells had his rifle scope set to?

LOL

You make a good point there.

How did you ever manage remembering what Ricky Sorrells rifle scope was set at?

Uforeality, I'm not trying to be rude here only give you some advice.

I think you definitely need to buy a small recorder.
(How can you call yourself a ufologist without one.) (Seriously.)

Get a good notebook,
Digital Camera,
Good pen,

These are basics you need, you have been doing this for 10yrs now it's about time you get your act together. You need to be more prepared when doing this kind of research. Take more notes, never forget a persons name.

If you only had a mini recorder in your pocket when you met those supposed important people you could have saved their names.

Your calling them Big Wigs but you don't even know their names or who they are or what they do? (These are important things to remember)

They could be janitors for all we know.

Please consider at least getting a mini recorder if you can't afford the digital camera, it will help you tremendously in your work.

OK, Best Of Luck.

[edit on 13-7-2008 by Malevolent_Aliens]

Originally posted by mc_squared
You know - reading all the unnecessary abuse uforeality has taken over this post makes me understand his paranoia, and it almost makes me wonder if there really are disinfo agents lurking on this website? I hope for your sake you guys are getting paid by the government to berate this guy, because otherwise - get a life. sheesh.

The pay is no good. Only half as much as a civilian disinfo agent.

But the health plan is to die for.

Why do people always go to the "anyone who disagrees is a government plant" angle. It's called debate. You can go ahead and call all the skeptics close minded now.

Originally posted by CallMeMaury
You can go ahead and call all the skeptics close minded now.

In the podcast UFO Reality says that when researching he first looks at something with a SKEPTICAL eye.

Is this a skeptical eye when he started this thread?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Everyone remember the other videos?

Like the Geno's cheesestake video.

One more post and I'm off to bed

Kevin smith starts to take calls, ask for the first name and where you are from and the first call was Dick from Lebenon, Indiana.

UFO Reality says "hello Mr. Criswell" (planned call setup)

next caller wasn't there.

next caller was from UFO Digest. This is funny. UFO Reality sent them an email about the whole thing.

Read the line 3 I think when he made a phone call and doesn't remember his name because he didn't write it down.

www.ufodigest.com...

Earlier in the show UFO Reality says, and I guote...

..."Do your research good enough, and the ignorance factor will rub off!"

Priceless and CLASSIC!

[edit on 14-7-2008 by lovepens1]

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Read my post history - for the most part you'll see I am a skeptic myself. I believe something is going on - but I don't know what and won't jump to any convenient conclusions to fill the gap.

The thing I fight for on this website more than anything though is just for people to be more productive in searching out truth no matter what they personally believe.

Do research. Think critically. Question everything. Dig deeper. Look at what someone like internos contributes to this board. Then compare that to all the time others waste on all this skeptic vs. believer crap. UFOlogy is not black and white - anyone who has really researched it knows it's very very gray (no pun intended).

I don't necessarily agree with everything uforeality believes or does, but I respect him for making the effort to do it. What do you contribute by following him around from thread to thread and constantly pointing out his results are not up to your satisfaction??

You call this a debate? Maybe on a kindergarten playground it qualifies as one.

So, first people give this guy issues because they don't believe that he had this meeting. Then they give him issues, after realising that he probably did have the meeting, about how the meeting was pointless and accomplished nothing.

Would the rest of you like to try and spend a significant portion of your time dedicated to a 'touchy' subject? Yes, constructive criticism is good (when you do it for such a purpose) but so many people seem to be just looking for their chance to dull-down an achievement of an other. Are you really in that bad of a position in your life where you need to make yourself feel just a tiny bit better (for about 2mins) at the expense of an other?

Don't stop trying, UFO Reality.

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Please do understand. I want UFO Reality to go on. When you claim to be in that field, you just can't fabricate more information than is neccessary.

Anything that is fabricated breaks down in time even if it's a motorcycle to a great story.

Truth is solid.

[edit on 14-7-2008 by lovepens1]

Research requires both sides of the story.

If you can readily entertain that an echo and a click/pop were actions taken by a suspicious government, I am wondering what sounds so far-fetched about those attributes being nothing but bad signals?

I, too, have experienced those "wiretap" signs, as others who have read this post. Do you still feel that this (the government listening in) is what occurred?

Also, it is a valid point that the technology people use for wiretaps is far beyond the days of clicks and pops. In this digital age, why would a government with copious resources resort to having a system that... makes a sound when they are trying to listen in on something that is based on sound?

Besides the resources it would require to tap somebody the old-fashioned way, why would they tap you?

No offense meant, of course. Just askin

[edit on 14-7-2008 by astronomine]

They were inside a carpet cleaning van parked around the corner using one of these




[edit on 14-7-2008 by lovepens1]

Originally posted by mc_squared


I don't necessarily agree with everything uforeality believes or does, but I respect him for making the effort to do it. What do you contribute by following him around from thread to thread and constantly pointing out his results are not up to your satisfaction??

It is not that his results do not meet my satisfaction. It is that his threads do not contain even the barest minimum of details necessary to verfiy any truth they may contain.

There have to be standards in research. It is not too much to ask that someone who seriously researches any topic records the name of important sources of information.

I am not a full skeptic. And I believe credible testimony is likely the best anyone can hope for right now with regards to making a case for ET UFO's.
However, this does not mean any testimony given is credible. And recording important details is the single best way to add credibility to a story.

When a journalist turns in an artcile, he also turns in his notes he took while researching and writing it. And his article is first fact checked against his notes. Do the notes prove the story? No, of course not. But they go a long way to establishing the credibility of the report.

It would do this forum well for people to remember that questioning small details of an account can go a long way to establishing or refuting the credibility of someone's story and of them as a source.

It is not an unreasonable attack to point out that a person who consistently fails to remember important details like names of sources, (and, more to the point, sees this as a small oversight), might not be the most reliable person.

Regardless of how badly one wants to believe his stories.

In short, I contribute in this thread by arguing against the credibility of the source: UFOreality. You may see this as the personal attack of a committed non-believer, but it is actually an important and necessary function of those who seriously seek the truth.

With personal testimony, credibility is all there is.

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The only way I can see fit to respond to that is to quote myself.

Originally posted by mc_squared
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Fine fair enough, then take it with a grain of salt and move on.

5 pages of this back and forth drivel don't make anything less ignorant.

It don't make your so-called "contribution" any more valid, either.

substantial bonus for his services. Despite an elaborate cover-up, a blue-ribbon commission and a U.S Court of Appeals found the deaths to be the result not of a shoot out, as claimed by police, but of a carefully orchestrated, Vietnam-style "search and destroy mission".


GUIDELINES FOR COPING WITH HARASSMENT, INTIMIDATION & VIOLENCE:
1. Establish security procedures appropriate to your group's level of activity and discuss them thoroughly with everyone involved. Control access to keys, files, letterhead, funds, financial records, mailing lists, etc. Keep duplicates of valuable documents. Safeguard address books, and do not carry them when arrest is likely.
2. Careful records of break-ins, thefts, bomb threats, raids, arrests, strange phone noises (not always taps or bugs), harassment, etc. will help you to discern patterns and to prepare reports and testimony.
3. Don't talk to the FBI. Don't let them in without a warrant. Tell others that they came. Have a lawyer demand an explanation and instruct them to leave you alone.
4. If an activist does talk, or makes some other honest error, explain the harm that could result. But do not attempt to ostracize a sincere person who slips up. Isolation only weakens a person's ability to resist. It can drive someone out of the movement and even into the arms of the police.
5. If the FBI starts to harass people in your area, alert everyone to refuse to cooperate (see box). Call the Movement Support Network's Hotline2l2) 614-6422. Set up community meetings with speakers who have resisted similar harassment elsewhere. Get literature, films, etc. through the organizations listed in the back of this pamphlet. Consider "Wanted" posters with photos of the agents, or guerilla theater which follows them through the city streets.
6. Make a major public issue of crude harassment, such as tampering with your mail. Contact your congressperson. Call the media. Demonstrate at your local FBI office. Turn the attack into an opportunity for explaining how covert intervention threatens fundamental human rights.
7. Many people find it easier to tell an FBI agent to contact their lawyer than to refuse to talk. Once a lawyer is involved, the Bureau generally pulls back, since it has lost its power to intimidate. If possible, make arrangements with a local lawyer and let everyone know that agents who visit them can be referred to that lawyer. If your group engages in civil disobedience or finds itself under intense police pressure, start a bail fund, train some members to deal with the legal system, and develop an ongoing relationship with a sympathetic local lawyer.
8. Organizations listed in the back of this pamphlet can also help resist grand jury harassment. Community education is important, along with legal, financial, child care, and other support for those who protect a movement by refusing to divulge information about it. If a respected activist is subpoenaed for obviously political reasons, consider trying to arrange for sanctuary in a local church or synagogue.
9. While the FBI and police are entirely capable of fabricating criminal charges, any law violations make it easier for them to set you up. The point is not to get so up-tight and paranoid that you can't function, but to make a realistic assessment based on your visibility and other pertinent circumstances.
10. Upon hearing of Fred Hampton's murder, the Black Panthers in Los Angeles fortified their offices and organized a communications network to alert the community and news media in the event of a raid. When the police did attempt an armed assault four days later, the Panthers were able to hold off the attack until a large community and media presence enabled them to leave the office without casualties. Similar preparation can help other groups that have reason to expect right-wing or police assaults.
11. Make sure your group designates and prepares other members to step in if leaders are jailed or otherwise

More info from the above can be found at;


www.whatreallyhappened.com...


Makes interesting reading.I don't know how up to date it is though.

reply to post by lovepens1


That phone call when Dick Criswell was on Kevin Smith was not planned. I'm sure you won't believe that.

You folks are funny.

Originally posted by mc_squared

Fine fair enough, then take it with a grain of salt and move on.

5 pages of this back and forth drivel don't make anything less ignorant.

It don't make your so-called "contribution" any more valid, either.

Truly, I don't think anything could make you less ignorant.