Man claims to know source of Phoenix Lights UFO sighting (Video)

Originally posted by Crabmeat
my only reason for believing that the PHX lights are not of UFO origin is simply that there were no military craft on it's arse. I think if a craft of that size and of the dimensions reported was hovering around for an hour, then it would certainly have been surrounded within a fraction of that time. not to mention no news helicopters were around the scene either.

if the flight wasn't planned by the gov't then the military would be all over it.

I don't know what it was in Phoenix, but I can think of one reason off the top of my head why no jets were scrambled that night.

We have stealth technology don't we? What would you think "they" have? A lot better than us. Even if it was up their for an hour, who's to say that somebody important in the military even saw it that night to send up some jets? Only about 1000 people saw it right? Maybe, it was just 1000 simple civilians. The govenor saw it, but he already said he kept his mouth shut so he wouldn't get critisized.

I don't think it's too far fetched to say that our military didn't know the V-shaped craft was there. It makes more sense to me that they were resposible for the stationary lights to make a cover for the V shaped one. I didn't even know there were 2 sightings until a couple of weeks later and I love hear and watching about UFOs.

One thing I will say about it NOT being an alien craft, is why do so many people have ONLY the stationary craft video and NOT videos of the V Shaped? Not a single video of the V Shaped craft, right?

Regarding that picture on the orginal link. They say:

The United States Air Force later identified the lights as flares from the Barry Goldwater Range, but many continue to believe differently.

Well, unless it is some exceptionaly large craft, or some weird secret technology that also, is very long, then they were indeed flares. That is the picture that was broken down in some show I saw regarding this, well after it happened. Those lights when they went out most certainly did so behind the mountain range, there is no doubt.

They had a daylight picture from the exact same spot. They showed them over the daytime photo. They all disappeared *exactly* as each would have gone behind a part of the mountain range. There is no way that's cooincidence, that's what happened. Since they were disappearing behind the mountains, either it was huge beyond belief (which I don't believe), or it was flares, or something similar. The air force said they were doing a training exercise, and that they were flares on parachutes.

Now.. that I do believe. That they were flares. BUT.. I think they were perhaps there not for training, but for something else entirely. There were several sightings that night, of a huge triangular craft, and the sighting progressed as it moved from north to south. The times it was sighted corresponded with the path it was taking.

So that picture in particular, definately flares. But training exercise? I don't think so. And testing secret stuff? Well.. hmm.. maybe, if that huge craft was a military craft, but I don't think it was, and I think something else was going on.

I dont know what the hell the lights were, i heard the Nazis were experimenting with propulsion tech in the 30s (Operation Clip) took the best nazi scientists back stateside at the end of ww2 before the advancing Russians got there hands on them..is it to far fetched an idea that after almost 80years they may have developed technology like this...Iam not saying M.r E.T has not lent a helping hand but give us humans some credit we are quite productive in our own way.

Some thoughts that seem to escape most of you:

1) it can't be flares, because flares don't travel in perfect triangles.

2) it may be aliens, or the government. Or it may be the result of a crazy tycoon, with lots of money and some crazy scientists to back him up.

3) if its the government, it makes sense to hover it above the public. They wanted to see what the public can make of it. To this day, after so many years, we still don't know what it was. I think that made those engineers really happy.

4) it could simply be 3 lights attached to a form of sophisticated kite...an elaborate prank by the same kind of people that make the crop circles.

Hmmmmmm Let's see, I know exactly what they are and for $30 I'll tell you on July 19th in Sedona Arizona. Why do these so called experts always have to profit? I say he knows a good scam when he sees one.

Originally posted by NightVision

Originally posted by Zenagain
It's not like your average Walmart employee would be able to make head or tail of crash debris of a "formerly" secret aircraft in pieces on the ground. What's the odds of someone who could? 0%. Why? Because anyone who COULD has been sworn to secrecy! Come on people! Work towards a higher standard here!

:: Mumbles irritably ::


[edit on 11-7-2008 by Zenagain]

Okay, so a higher standard means accepting that our own U.S. Government would deliberately test a top secret craft over a highly populated space to make us believe we are being visited by aliens? That is not a higher standard. That is lunacy.

That is unnaceptable. Period.

True Patriotism means the public can have a right to know what is flying directly over their homes, not over restricted airspace. Our soldiers fight for that right too. Apparently you have forgotten this.

[edit on 11-7-2008 by NightVision]

You show me where I said that tests over populated areas would be "to make us believe we are being visited by aliens?" Find me saying that and I shall concede the argument. I said that as likely military applications, a need for tests over populated areas would exist.

I think that if they were keeping all of this from the public, they would test these secret machines in the middle of nowhere and not over a crowded city.

Originally posted by masterp
Some thoughts that seem to escape most of you:

1) it can't be flares, because flares don't travel in perfect triangles.

2) it may be aliens, or the government. Or it may be the result of a crazy tycoon, with lots of money and some crazy scientists to back him up.

3) if its the government, it makes sense to hover it above the public. They wanted to see what the public can make of it. To this day, after so many years, we still don't know what it was. I think that made those engineers really happy.

4) it could simply be 3 lights attached to a form of sophisticated kite...an elaborate prank by the same kind of people that make the crop circles.

Well, the one picture that is featured on most news sites is the one that is on the page listed in the first post, and those *are* flares. Or most likely flares. The fact that they fly behind the mountain range and disappear pretty much means they were flares imo. But the other sightings.. well, those were something else.

Originally posted by masterp
Some thoughts that seem to escape most of you:

1) it can't be flares, because flares don't travel in perfect triangles.

2) it may be aliens, or the government. Or it may be the result of a crazy tycoon, with lots of money and some crazy scientists to back him up.

3) if its the government, it makes sense to hover it above the public. They wanted to see what the public can make of it. To this day, after so many years, we still don't know what it was. I think that made those engineers really happy.

4) it could simply be 3 lights attached to a form of sophisticated kite...an elaborate prank by the same kind of people that make the crop circles.

Well, the one picture that is featured on most news sites is the one that is on the page listed in the first post, and those *are* flares. Or most likely flares. The fact that they fly behind the mountain range and disappear pretty much means they were flares imo. But the other sightings.. well, those were something else.

Well I dont know but personally, I really think this is just ignorance, after studying bucket loads of cases and unclassfied documents it becomes increasingly clear that not only are "they" here, but we have and are back-engineering their tech as best we can.
There is ample proof to suggest an alien presence.v

reply to post by internos


What gets me is this was already presented during a film festival in May. This fellow Blalock is a film student who showed this at the Zaki Gordon Film Festival. Apparently he didn't win anything. A movie that debunks all UFOs by showing undeniable evidence of an international space program didn't even raise a pimple on the back of ufology. I would guess at least a hundred people must have seen this already. I suppose if I wasn't so sleepy I could contact someone who was at the festival.
And maybe someone can tell me how a film student with no connections to or experience in the space industry finds an astrophysicist deeply involved in a list of space agencies (most of which have been recognized by...eh..nobody) who has the secrets to black ops technology.
Oddly enough, the only reference to James R. Bartzen III outside of the Jul 19 announcement is a comment he posted on a memorial web page for UK actress Mary Millar. Who knows when that was.
And why does the guy always appear with a hat, glasses and beard? The beard I can understand, provided it's real. Disguise? Disinfo? Dis..ney?
If this whole thing were a superhero, I would name it Superfishy.

reply to post by Crabmeat



ok let me get this out there...THERE IS NO ALIEN SPACE CRAFT OR DEAD ALIEN BODIES. I have been to wright-patterson (allegedly were the craft is being held) there is no "mysterious hanger" no "undergound lab facility" or anything of the sort. Same thing at Nellis afb in Nevada. whoever this doctor is he is the only one out of this whole situation that makes any sense what so ever. If the US was holding bodies, not only would have figured out where they came from we probably would have made contact already. These "UFOs" people are seeing are nothing more than US aircraft in thier experimental stages. Making alien contact would a milestone in world history, I find it extraordinarly difficult to beileve the US governemnt or any world government for that matter would not want to take credit for that.

reply to post by WarrenPiece


ok well Bob Lazar is full of crap but people still believe him. At least this guy went to a real college and has a real degree...Id be a bit more inclined to beileve him over bob lazar.

Originally posted by scottr.
I think that if they were keeping all of this from the public, they would test these secret machines in the middle of nowhere and not over a crowded city.

When we first found out about the stealth fighter... were there not MANY 'leaked' sightings and 'accidental' exposures?

Now we have the Blackswift (aka Aurora) 'lurking' about
www.abovetopsecret.com...



Food for thought...

[edit on 13-7-2008 by zorgon]

Originally posted by usaf60ces
ok well Bob Lazar is full of crap but people still believe him. At least this guy went to a real college and has a real degree...Id be a bit more inclined to beileve him over bob lazar.

ok so you know Bob well enough to make that statement?

and you have obviously also been to Groom lake on that Edwards/Nellis tour?

And now you say this guy went to "a real college and has a real degree"

Which College and Where is this paper?

[edit on 13-7-2008 by zorgon]

It appears we'll have to pick this story back up on the 19th. Never the less, I am highly skeptical after reading what he said. Much less, that the government plans to disclose this "technology." Not to mention, why was an "Astro Physist" involved in a test aircraft project? Unless it was a ship not destined to travel within the bounds of regular airspace.

Originally posted by usaf60ces
reply to post by WarrenPiece

 

ok well Bob Lazar is full of crap but people still believe him. At least this guy went to a real college and has a real degree...Id be a bit more inclined to beileve him over bob lazar.

At least... WHAT college, may i ask?
Did you check his background? I did and i came back with negative responses: oh, i made STRAIGHT assesments, BTW. Perhaps my research skills are fading off, lol, who knows.
While.... with Bob Lazar the question is far more complex. How did you get the confirmation that this guy "went to a real college"? and "has a real degree"? Because.... guess what? I don't think this guy has a phd, i don't think he ever knew Oxford and BTW, what is supposed to have been his activity in Oxford?

• Cosmology and galaxies
  
• Observational cosmology and galaxies
  
• New galaxy surveys
  
• Active galaxies
  
• Active galaxy cosmological evolution
  
• The nuclear environment of nearby active galaxies
  
• Demographics of supermassive black holes in galaxy nuclei
  
• Measuring the effects of Dark Energy using type Ia Supernovae
  
• Theoretical extragalactic astrophysics and cosmology
  
• The cosmic microwave background
  
• Galaxy formation
  
• Dark matter
  
• Galaxy dynamics
  
• The Milky Way
  
• Stellar astrophysics
  
• Supernovae
  
• The formation and evolution of X-ray binaries
  
• Observations and modelling of stellar atmospheres
  
• The interstellar medium
  
• Astronomical instrumentation
  
• Infrared and visible wavelength instrumentation
  
• Experimental radio and mm-wavelength cosmology
  
• U.K. Gemini support group
  

No, don't accept the claims as facts, this guy is a superfishy, or a supercrap, or a superBS: anyway he has nothing to do with bob lazar. Bob Lazar wrote papers, even questionable ones but showing knowledge in many fields, while this guy DOES NOT EXIST: this is the difference so far.


[edit on 14/7/2008 by internos]

Originally posted by internos

No, don't accept the claims as facts, this guy is a superfishy, or a supercrap, or a superBS:

LOL Internos!

I love your choice of words here! I think I may adopt supercrap for some of my posts... (It's kind of the antithesis of superfly) but I promise to use it sparingly!

That's a gold star from me my good man!

IRM

Originally posted by internos
with Bob Lazar the question is far more complex.

Nice post Internos but calm down

Hehehe

Yes Bob Lazar is far more complex... You would like him...

I will see if I can send you a copy of the interview with George Knapp... you would find it interesting

Originally posted by masterp
1) it can't be flares, because flares don't travel in perfect triangles.

All you need to have a perfect triangle are 3 flares, no matter how they move they will always form a perfect triangle.

Have more than 3 flares? Then I wanna see the perfect triangle. Sadly I don't see it with the phoenix lights.

[edit on 17-7-2008 by daniel_g]