Congress KNOWS Eminent marshal law plan, ENDof 08

Originally posted by ALightinDarkness
reply to post by realshanti

 

That is what you get for assuming. In the course of my undergraduate and graduate degrees, just about everything I've read has been critical of my world views. Unlike you, I don't read things that only agree with my worldview. I've read more Noam Chomsky than you can imagine. Inquiry is healthy, believing every conspiracy theory that comes out because it reflects what you want to believe is gullible.

Your response shows you have no interest in discussion unless it furthers your worldview.

Then I owe you an apology however - all your degrees have not helped your attitude which is really over the top...you assumed I agree with everything I read including Noam Chomsky - not so...you assume that I do not want discussion yet you are the one who simply dismisses what is said out of hand.... you assume that I believe "every conspiracy theory that comes out - how did you determine that? Please give me your proof of any of the statements you just made....

I simply suggested one video which I found insightful on some points...and instead of refuting the content you simply made a crack about Chomsky being a US basher (which I agree with surprise surprise - but that does not negate some of his research)...is that how critical thinking teaches you to respond to discussion points?
I mentioned the bank closure and stated its not proof of anything...yet you
tried to portray my statement as if I had presented that as proof....

From this you have inferred that you know all about me - Sir - you know nothing about me though if you had bothered to you could have found out plenty - as my life is an open book and I hide nothing including my name, location, profession, all very easy to discern....

Your education has not served you well - I would get my money back if I were you and learn how to listen and communicate with some degree of openess....

Chomsky is only a US-basher to Republicans and the like. Chomsky asserts "institutional analysis" and for that he looks at legislation, and reads what was signed and by whom. For being a critical mind, ninny's think he is a communist...how poetic.

The MSM won't report on this because they, too, are part of the NWO framework. It is essential for the NWO to control the media.

Why do you think MSNBC is totally pro-Obama? Microsoft is partnered with NBC and hence MSNBC. Bill Gates is a Utopian, but what would happen if Microsoft was reduced to a small-medium private business? It's ok, so long as they are in everyone's household.

reply to post by realshanti


You can insult me all you like, it just shows you have the attitude problem here. You want a discussion only if it agrees with you - all those who oppose your worldview are dismissed. Your obsession over my degrees just shows how you've got nothing to talk about here because you know this theory is a hoax and your trying to insult whoever disagrees with you.

Chomsky is known as being a political hack. If you want to trust a left-wing political hack, you go at it. I trust political hacks from neither side, although I realize on ATS, as democrat propaganda central, that this would be surprising to you. I trust Chomsky as much as I trust Karl Rove..which is to say, not at all.

I think you may have forgotten the motto of the site. Its "Deny ignorance" - not "Embrace Ignorance."

[edit on 12-7-2008 by ALightinDarkness]

Originally posted by ALightinDarkness
reply to post by realshanti

 

You can insult me all you like, it just shows you have the attitude problem here. You want a discussion only if it agrees with you - all those who oppose your worldview are dismissed. And then you blame me as the one who doesn't want a discussion. It would be funny, if it was not so sad. Your obsession over my degrees just shows how upset you are.

Chomsky is known as being a political hack. If you want to trust a left-wing political hack, you go at it. I trust political hacks from neither side, although I realize on ATS this is democrat propaganda central that this would be surprising. I trust Chomsky as much as I trust Karl Rove..which is to say, not at all.

I think you may have forgotten the motto of the site. Its "Deny ignorance" - you are embracing ignorance.



[edit on 12-7-2008 by ALightinDarkness]

I have embraced nothing - I asked you for discussion - you obsfucate, - and lash out...so much for debunking - I have no ax to grind with any particular "worldview" - I'm looking for the truth - but no worries - lets move on...

reply to post by realshanti


As per the usual, you have nothing to contribute and are trying your hardest to shut down everyone who disagrees with your narrow worldview. Which is just me, in this case. You are the one obsfucating. Stop trying to project. You ask for a discussion - the discussion is not in line with your narrow worldview - you commence insulting.

The truth is there and obvious. But its much easier to believe in hoax conspiracies.

Now...we can continue going on in circles with you insulting me, and me pointing it out, or we can stop. I'd also say we could discuss something, but seeing as how we tried that and you immediately began obsfucating when you found out I wasn't going to agree with you, it appears as though you only want to talk with someone who shares your worldview.

[edit on 12-7-2008 by ALightinDarkness]

Originally posted by ALightinDarkness
reply to post by realshanti

 

As per the usual, you have nothing to contribute and are trying your hardest to shut down everyone who disagrees with your narrow worldview. Which is just me, in this case. You are the one obsfucating. Stop trying to project. You ask for a discussion - the discussion is not in line with your narrow worldview - you commence insulting.

The truth is there and obvious. But its much easier to believe in hoax conspiracies.

But thats the point - I WANT some disscussion - but you give me nothing - simply saying that someone is a US basher is NOT debunking - its just an opinion! and to be honest I don't care that much about Chomsky - just thought he had some interesting points and thought you might have something to share...but you came at me like I had made some unforgivable faupah for even mentioning him...whats that about???? It couldn't be about me cause you don't know anything about me so why not engage in some constructive refutation...???
Sorry if I come on strong but I don't understand why folk don't put up some facts instead of opinion....

Fact :largest bank closure: you say its no big deal - why isn't it a big deal? I'm willing to listen and learn...

Fact: Media is owned by corporate interests and seems to be guilty of some manipulation - should we not be concerned about this? and if not why not?

I'm listening...

[edit on 12-7-2008 by realshanti]

Originally posted by realshanti
Fact :largest bank closure: you say its no big deal - why isn't it a big deal? I'm willing to listen and learn...

Fact: Media is owned by corporate interests and seems to be guilty of some manipulation - should we not be concerned about this? and if not why not?

Fact #1: This is not the largest bank closure, nor failure. Indymac did not fail, if it had it would have been the 2nd, and not the 1st, largest bank failure. However, FDIC took over before it failed.

Bank failures and/or being taken over by the FDIC are not unique events, they do happen every so often. Many banks have failed before now, many will fail after now. A bank failure in and of itself - or even several - is not enough to begin mass hysteria or panic, although the public at large enjoys hysteria so it won't take much to induce it.

Fact #2: This is not a fact. It has a basis in populist propaganda, but not in fact. In the context of IndyMac's takeover, the manipulation was actually thanks to a democratic Senator who induced panic over the bank's holdings - not the media. Although to be sure, the media latched on and promoted panic over it.

[edit on 12-7-2008 by ALightinDarkness]

reply to post by ALightinDarkness


Thanks

Thats what I'm talking about and both excellent points....the rumors about bank closures have been ramping up as well and I think has a lot of people worried because most of us do not understand how the banking system works..we just deposit and write checks and take so much on faith, myself included...

The media does live by the "if it bleeds it leads" philosophy - and this easily feeds into a self perpetuating loop of gloom and doom outlook...

reply to post by realshanti


I agree...the perpetual cycle with the media thing really reinforced the doom outlook. Personally, I think the only people who need to be worried about this sort of thing is anyone with over $100,000 in cash in a bank. Those with tons of cash assets should always try to spread their risk across multiple banks, keeping it under $100k where possible.

For everyone else, including me, a bank failure is hardly noticeable. I had a CD at IndyMac with a few grand in it, and I'll get it all back + interest on Monday. If this has happened any other business day instead of Friday, I probably wouldn't have even noticed as the reimbursement would have taken only hours.

Banks are failing new proof...

Some are asking how is this proof. Well what I heard investors pulled money out. This made the bank lose everything. Now the Fed that are supposed to insure your money anything less that 100,000 well it's not quite true. What they do they sell the bank and all the banks assets to try and recover that money recovered is used to insure the people that were customers of that bank and also other banks that are in that same situation.

Their is more than one bank that is lossed all assets. Now this is proof that banks are causing a economic meltdown. Well if you don't have money because the bank loaned your money to people or they sold bonds or invested in somthing and those investments and loans were bad then their goes your money.

They by law are required to keep on hand about 20% of what you put into the bank the rest they invest/ buy stock/ ect ect.

So this is where the ecnomoy falls. this is where The bilder burg will win because they will be loaded with money and we all will be poor enough that we will start to beg this is where we then become under the control of bilderburg.

This is why this is one peice of evidence that we will have a one world order by bilder burg.

This is now getting freaky.

Well ladies and gentleman. Looks like I'm gonna have to start stocking up on ammo. I've got enough guns for the family, a good knowledge of explosives, and I'm well off to live off the land. Let's see how long this martial law lasts with a crapload of pissed off good old boys from the south. Come get some!!!!!!!

ok so how about this...citizens stop relying on the governement for EVERYTHING!!! ie. food, shelter, finance...ect. adn take a little responsibilities as citizens. We have the power not the government. Just get out and get involved. Go vote, go to your cities committiee hearings, write your congressmen, start petitions, good lord everyone is griping about how awful everything is but not encouraging going out and fixing it. Just remember this the media is EVIL! they will do anything and everything for a story and money. Believe maybe 5% of what they say on the news.

reply to post by jonathan1819 Thanks For The Link Johnathan . Anyone With Any kind Of Common Sense Knows That The Sh#it Is About To Hit The Proverbial Fan . I Have Been Telling Friends And Family About This Scenario For Years And Years . Most Kinda Look At Ya Funny And Don't Really Have A Clue As To What I'm Trying To Educate Them To . But My Family Knows That I Don't Talk About This Type Of Thing Jokingly . They Know That I Know What I'm Talking About . Now These Same Non Believers Are Finally Seeing The Light And Asking Me For Advise . You See I Am An Ex Marine Scout And I Have Always Been A Survivalist . I Have Made Sure That My Family Is Well Stocked With Food Stuffs And Water And Medical Supplies . Firearms And Plenty Of Ammo . We All Have An Evacuation Plan Established And A Meet Up Area . I Made Sure That Everyone Is Expert With Their Weapons And That We Will Do What We Have To Do When The Situation Presents Itself . And The Mindset To Deal With It . ! I Suggest That Everyone Be Ready For What Is About To Come Down . I Don't Take These Things Lightly And You Should'nt Either ! The Clock Is Ticking Brothers And Sisters . Are You Ready ?

reply to post by Grambler


I could not agree more with your signature! If we dropped luxury condos on them instead of bombs, it would be cheeper!

If I were a Senator or Congressman, I would not go to one of those "Safe Houses". History tells us that tyrants eliminate those who put them in power because they have the most potential to remove them.

One mans "Safe House" is another mans "Death Camp".

There is only one defense against tyrants, there is only one chance at that defense, if it is not taken, history remembers the tyrant, not those who eagerly delivered themselves and their familys to the tyrant for the promise of continued privledge.



[edit on 14-7-2008 by Cyberbian]

Originally posted by pluckynoonez
Chomsky is only a US-basher to Republicans and the like. Chomsky asserts "institutional analysis" and for that he looks at legislation, and reads what was signed and by whom. For being a critical mind, ninny's think he is a communist...how poetic.

Well...I agree, Pluckey to a great degree though ...I have read a lot of his work and found it to be well researched ...too bad I couldn't get a coherent discussion of Chomsky's work from Light though in this context I'm not sure it would have added much- I like to hear the opposing view points as well but maybe some other time...I do think we are headed into some interesting economic times here tho I'm not ready to "head for the hills" just yet...not convinced the meltdown is at our doorstep ....but I have lived a long time and when you combine the elections, the mood of the country, gas prices, bank closures, sub-prime financial crisis, war in Iraq, Afghanistan, and drum beats in the persian gulf with Iran, the solidifying of the EU, I have to say this is a somewhat unique combo that bears watching...and as the previous poster points out - one loses nothing by being prepared.....but stand to lose a lot if we are not...

reply to post by ALightinDarkness


i live in brisbane and we only have one newspaper which i read regularly. dont remember reading about this at all so i searched their archives. no mention of it whatsoever. i know people may think yeah they were made to delete it or whatnot but yeah our media doesnt bow as easily to the government and why would they delete it anyway when if it was originally published over 200000 readers would already know about it. so yeah hoax me thinks

Originally posted by computerwiz32
Banks are failing new proof...

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They by law are required to keep on hand about 20% of what you put into the bank the rest they invest/ buy stock/ ect ect.

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This is now getting freaky.

I am afraid you have repeated a bit of propaganda here. The fractional reserve lending implemented by and through the international banking consortium was originally regulated an the % reserve was subject to review. 20% was about right give or take a few points depending on how friendly the bank owners are with the local authorities.

But as of modern times, that % is MUCH lower than 20% and at times, may drop to almost 0% depending on the nature of the banking activity and the charter. In fact, this reserve amount is no longer a matter of public regulation, it is strictly bank policy. So don;t be surprised if some banks have significantly less than 10% reserves.

((The original rationale for the lax approach to this was that the baking systems 'central' banks were to act as emergency repositories in the event of bank runs. We can see how well that's working!))

I remember hearing on a radio talk show back in April that HALI/KBR were buildng holding camps around the USA,which were meant for Americans who would be protesting either upcoming very bad conditions or martial law as a result of such conditions; since that host is always spewing some right-wing kookiness,I took it w/ a grain...
It was,however,curious that he would be reporting this against his own NEO-CON point of view,and,how he'd come to have knowledge of such plans well ahead of anyone else!

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Please make the rest of your show available! Really want to hear the rest of it. Thank you very much.