Congress KNOWS Eminent marshal law plan, ENDof 08

scary...pt up more please

Originally posted by Maxmars
Violent action will encourage a violent response.

Should the NWO-AMERO-NAU agenda come to pass I think a general strike would be more effective than any violence.

Many will suffer. But they CAN'T win. Not if there truly is a United States of America sleeping in front of their TV sets. We have been ripped off for sure, it was allowed to happen. Some even encouraged it.

They are still reaping the profits as we speak.

you must remember that the people that will be rounded up will never be seen from again they are as good as gone. being nice is a thing of the past protest they just turn a deaf ear too. but you make a good example of someone then there is no more deaf ears. i will refuse to let my daughter grow up a slave to some poor excuss for a bunch of degenarants.

This is just so very troubling.

Thankyou pluckynooyez for bringing forth these important videos.

If I could I would grant you applause for each one and urge the Mods to agree and do so if they have not already.

Yes this is a turbulent era, and what a magnificent time to be aware and watchfull.

reply to post by antar


Sure.

The French Revolution

The American Civil War

The Russian Revolution

You want more?

reply to post by antar


Thank you, Antar, youre sweet.

Troubling times indeed. If that secret session was for the revealing some future event and that is why they needed to pass the FISA bill...what messed up logic that is. I bet the Republican that wanted the secret session got their information from someone of importance in the executive branch. Plucky is scared.

what the hell, a few days ago someone put a post about a former LAPD guy writing about the exact thing the guy talks about in the radio station the thing is everyone made fun of this LAPD guy every one said he was a damn idiot but
guess what he was right on the dot. this was written on 3-22-08 by the way
here is the link to the post he made one some web site if you want to read it:
www.city-data.com...

reply to post by jonathan1819


My dad was an LA cop for 22 years.... The one you posted said things like "government 2". Such sloppy rhetorical measure degrades one's message. I can't say either way. Time will tell. This administration is as dangerous as it is secretive, it would be the ultimate insult to stay in power after the election....

reply to post by ALightinDarkness


Hi - just a quick note to let you know that American Mainstream media is no longer free to report whatever they choose. They are regulated heavily by the government; reporters are picked and chosen according to their loyalty to the party (Note I said the party - they can write about individual dem/rep controversy - but cannot write about anything that in anyway puts the government in a dictatorship light.

Haven't you ever wondered why the anti war protests, (so prevelant on the late night news during Viet Nam) that are held against Iraq on a daily basis are never on the news? Surely you didn't think there weren't any protestors out there did you?

I am writing this as a former political writer who refused to go with the program; obviously unemployed now - but on top of everything. Just wish I had an outlet like this to report the stories I know but can't get anyone to listen to.

Good luck to you. Try watching the BBC and other foregin news on cable. You'll be amazed by what you hear.

Thank God I dont live in the USA. I would urge all Americans to move. You cannot stop in the inevitable. But you can dely it for you and your kids. Get out of the USA, get out of North America. Thailand, Indonesia, New Guinea are all nice. Or go south in Chile, Argentina. Just get out!

reply to post by Nonchalant


I just do not agree with those examples, unless I change my thoughts about the reality of those situations not being spent to give a handful of the same to come out even more powerful.

I know Bush bashing is trendy and makes you cool on ATS, but seriously, your so completely blinded by your partisan shaded glasses that I am astonished. I have got to get me some of this Bush bashing kool-aid. You were somehow able to turn a topic about Congress into a rabid foaming at the mouth Bush-bashing post. I stand amazed.

Originally posted by Grambler
This is absurd. Your threshold for rather or not something is true is if the MSM is discussing it. You still haven't responded to the fact that all MSM outlets intentionally let the CIA place pundits on their networks, and intentionally misled the public into thinking they were independent. Oh wait, despite the thousands of pages of evidence that have been released by the CIA, this must not be true, because the media didn't report on it, right?

It is hilarious that someone is willing to believe a conspiracy theory with absolutely no evidence, and have the audacity to call anyone else's standard of evidence absurd. You really CANNOT be talking. There is no fact that the mass media let CIA "place pundits" on their networks covertly - government talking heads regularly appear on the media to give the government side of the story - this is not a conspiracy. WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD ALL OF THESE DOCUMENTS BEEN AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC IF IT WERE A CONSPIRACY. I can imagine someone in the CIA pounding his head against the desk. The government tries to be open and honest, and the tin-foil hat crowd pounces and completely ignores the fact that they are getting their theory from...government sources.

Oh wait, despite having absolutely no evidence that the end is nigh and Congress met in secret about it, it must still be true, because it is a conspiracy that tells you what you want to believe. :LOL:

Originally posted by Grambler
Its easy for you to admit that they are willing to spin to further their agenda, yet you can't see how if both parties were implicated (thereby both of their agendas) they would just shut up about it. If only there were some story that we knew to be true that no station would report on because it affected all of them. Hmm. Oh Wait! How about that story about the media allowing CIA employees to be pundits? Why wasn't this reported. Couldn't the spinmeisters at CNN show this as evidence of Bush's and shadiness?

What is hard for you to understand that networks appeal to both sides and both would take up arms to blast the other side if there was even the slightest possibility this might be true? You must really be living in a dream world.

Originally posted by Grambler
I like how everyone who wants to hear about what Kucinich has to say about Bush being impeached is a nut. Despite the fact that you are just making ad hom attacks and not responding, I will still elaborate. First, the biig claim that Kucinich is making is that Bush was briefed that Iraq had no ties to Al Qaida, yet on the day after he was briefed he told the American public the exact opposite to get us into war. That is a very true statement, and I challenge you to discredit it.

Please learn the definition of ad hominem attacks before you use the phrase. The definition of a crazy person is someone who does the same thing time and again expecting different results. This is exactly what Kucinich does by repeatedly attempting to impeach just about everyone he can in order to get people like you excited. It is not a true statement that Bush had intelligence which said beyond a shadow of a doubt that there was no connection between Iraq and WMDs. That is the nature of intelligence: your going to have conflicting messages - what the facts DO show is that intelligence reports were conflicted, and it certainly wasn't clear that Bush was wrong when he made the decision.

Originally posted by Grambler
Also, according to you the spinmeisters at MSNBC would jump all over the chance to attack Bush. Are you honestly telling me they find the testimony and research of several congressmen who signed this impeachment bill so uncredible, that even though this information would further their agenda of bashing Bush and stirring controversy, they won't touch it? That is laughable!

That fact that MSNBC and CNN don't spend all day catering to your rabid need to blame George Bush for everything does not change the facts. The facts are every time some woo-woo liberal attempts to impeach bush to start a political circus, they do get mentioned. Every time. Why? Because the mass media is feeding your bush-hating propaganda needs. In fact, every time he pulls this impeachment stunt I've always seen it covered on every major network.

Originally posted by Grambler
On the note of Ron Paul, hes received very limited coverage even when he was a viable candidate. When he was discussed, it was almost always very brief and in a negative light. Even most of the questions directed at him during the debates were garbage, and he wasn't even invited to the Fox debate.

Oh please. He was given coverage when he was viable, and was dropped when he was no longer viable. I am a libertarian and a Ron Paul supporter, and even I am not going to join the delusions on this. Sadly, why Ron Paul lost was due to his rabid supporters. I loved Ron Paul, not the Paulbots.

[edit on 11-7-2008 by ALightinDarkness]

I read a list on several conspiracy sites, but it's a tad ridiculous. This was a one hour meeting. There is no way under the sun they covered that list of topics in an hour. It would take many hours for EACH topic in that list, I'm sure. It's always easy to produce "leaked" information, with no source given, and being a secret meeting, there is no way to verify it.

I see no reason to believe it was anything than what they stated, being a meeting to discuss the law that allows for tracking on the Internet, tapping phones, etc. And the purpose is probably just a stall tactic.

But no way could they discuss all those items in a meeting scheduled to run one hour, that's not feasible nor logical. It would take DAYS to sort through that very long list of subjects.

Originally posted by ALightinDarkness
I know Bush bashing is trendy and makes you cool on ATS, but seriously, your so completely blinded by your partisan shaded glasses that I am astonished. I have got to get me some of this Bush bashing kool-aid. You were somehow able to turn a topic about Congress into a rabid foaming at the mouth Bush-bashing post. I stand amazed.

You don't read the posts, do you? After our entire discussion you still call me partisan. I hate BOTH parties, hence I am not partisan. All of my posts have been about why both parties and the media suck. You are resorting to talking points, assuming that anyone with a problem with Bush is a liberal partisan hack, instead of actually reading and refuting arguments.

It is hilarious that someone is willing to believe a conspiracy theory with absolutely no evidence, and have the audacity to call anyone else's standard of evidence absurd. You really CANNOT be talking. There is no fact that the mass media let CIA "place pundits" on their networks covertly - government talking heads regularly appear on the media to give the government side of the story - this is not a conspiracy. WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD ALL OF THESE DOCUMENTS BEEN AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC IF IT WERE A CONSPIRACY. I can imagine someone in the CIA pounding his head against the desk. The government tries to be open and honest, and the tin-foil hat crowd pounces and completely ignores the fact that they are getting their theory from...government sources.

Oh wait, despite having absolutely no evidence that the end is nigh and Congress met in secret about it, it must still be true, because it is a conspiracy that tells you what you want to believe. :LOL:

First off, I said I didn't know if I believe this. As far as your point about the CIA, either you aren't reading what I'm posting, or you are so delusional that you are in need of serious help. Lawyers issued a federal request for the information, hence it had to be released. In your twisted view, the fact that the CIA released these documents proves that the information contained within them must be harmless. So you are saying that you won't believe anything unless the media reports it, which by the way you find extremely biased, and any information the government releases, no matter how incriminating, must not be a big deal or they wouldn't have released it. Wow.

You can believe what you want about the CIA released documents, but seeing as how the motto around ATS is deny ignorance, why don't you look at them, or at least look at what people who have looked at them are saying, instead of making blind assertions?

One last time, this wasn't just normal talking heads, this was the CIA in collaboration with the MSM passing off CIA employees as independent employees, in order to convince the publice to support war. If you would have read the link, you would realize the FCC is thinking of pressing charges because they think it is illegal.

I will say again, I am not willing to say I know what was said in this meeting, but i think this may be a possibility. Unlike you, I try to keep an open mind. I don't make broad claims like, "nothing that isn't reported in the MSM can be true" or "the MSM is always against any war". You sound ridiculous.

I have no problem with the fact that you don't believe this theory. My problem is that instead of using facts and evidence to back up your claims, you just make wholesale assertions that are totally illogical. If you truly find the evidence standards of conspiracy theorists to be too low, why don't you serve as a model for how to properly do research, as opposed to using it as an excuse to not look into anything?

Just a quick Google with the keywords "Bush Martial Law" reveals over 1,000,000 (That's right, over a million!) entries...Of course Congress had to know something is going on since 2007 & they still delay Impeachment so as to give Bush more time & opportunity to declare it?!
InfoWars
Prison Planet
Alternative Press
Deprogram Your Mind
Huffington Post
...And still over 1.3 million more Google entries to peruse...

From Huffington Post:
An editorial in the New York Times yesterday pointed out, for those of us who didn't realize it, that the Bush administration had inserted two provisions into last October's defense budget bill that would make it easier to declare martial law in the US. Senators Leahy and Bond have introduced a bill to repeal these changes, and it is important that voters keep track of this bill and hold their Congresspeople to account on it.

According to this, Congress knew since Feb, 2007 & still hasn't accomplished anything at all! I smell strong complicity here & it stinks worse than the Agean Stables before Heracles cleaned them!

[edit on 11-7-2008 by MidnightDStroyer]

Not likely, the closed do meetings would go over the absolute worst case scenarios, and they just have to put every possible outcome up on the board. I'm sure an Alien invasion from Alpha Centari was on the board too.

The United States would not just collapse, first things would shut down to relieve the pressure, i.e.

-Turn off Iraq
-Drill for Oil
-Ration Gas
-Ration Food
-Raise prices
-Raise Taxes - Why would the U.S. Government issue a Stimulous package to the whole United States if the situation was so dire...

I just can't see everything coming to a complete halt after 200 years of progress... At least not overnight...

So don't panic.

For the record, it is "martial law" and not "marshal law", and secondly, a national emergency will be declared, we are already under martial law, just check General Orders 100 (1863)

www.yale.edu...

reply to post by fleabit


Thats a good point...hmmm....here's hoping you're right....that perhaps it was simply some grandstanding by a handful of republicrats on the eve of shoving FISA a little further up our ravaged butts....I can't believe I'm hoping it was "only" FISA, which both dems and repubs passed with votes from our two fav candidates Obama and McCain WASS...............

We could go on for days and even years about this but where will it get us?
What I want to know is, what is one to do? I do not care if I live or die at any given point on any given day. I would lean toward life if I had to defend myself and even more so to protect my family but, as a rule of thumb, I do not "cling" to life like a wimpering baby clinging to her blankey.
What does scare the $hit out of me is what about my kids?
What are they to do if I die defending their freedoms to no avail?
What are your children to do if daddy goes out to fight a losing battle and never returns, leaving them to be slaves to the NWO?
Do we really want our kids growing up thinking all of this is normal?
Do we really want them to be slaves?
Could we die a peaceful death knowing that after we are gone our children will end up as sex slaves to some luciferian world leaders?
Are you going to be able to live/die with the thought of your 5 yr. old daughter being picked up kicking and screaming and taken back to their "special place" to get raped by these maniacs?

We can go on and on about rising up and overthrowing this NWO but in the long run it will not happen because we are all to afraid.PERIOD!!!!
The best we can hope for at this point is one helluva intervention.
I am scared to death for my children and am ashamed to admit that,looking back, I wish I had never brought them into this world.
And I wish I could take them out of it so they don't have to suffer through this horrible mess.
Honestly, does anyone else feel this way or have I taken leave of my senses? Please help a brother out. What can be done to save our children?

And by the way,
consider yourself extremely lucky if you are fortunate enough to not have children during this time.And for the love of Christ DO NOT have any if you can help it.

Cmon its been proven that Bush and cronies have embedded analyst into the mainstream media to encourage there 'message', Is it so hard to imagine that the mainstream media has ignored these type of stories for a reason? You really expect Fox to break this type of story. Lol @ the so-called debunkers.

Originally posted by ALightinDarkness

What is hard for you to understand that networks appeal to both sides and both would take up arms to blast the other side if there was even the slightest possibility this might be true? You must really be living in a dream world.

So again, your stance is that the media are all back stabbing conniving Bush haters that would spin any story to destroy him, and yet they are unwilling to report on things like the Kucinich impeachment because its so uncredible. Your a riot. I know talking to you is like talking to a wall, but if thats the case, why has the media refused to report the CIA story we've been discussing?

Your blind faith in the media, which you yourself admit is shady and incredibly biased is disturbing. Why even bother to comes to sites like this then. Obiously, any alternative news is wrong because the media isn't reporting it. You are adding nothing to a conversation on here by simply stating if its not mainstream, its not true. The only thing this contributes is showing people how blindly some people follow what there told.

Please learn the definition of ad hominem attacks before you use the phrase. The definition of a crazy person is someone who does the same thing time and again expecting different results. This is exactly what Kucinich does by repeatedly attempting to impeach just about everyone he can in order to get people like you excited. It is not a true statement that Bush had intelligence which said beyond a shadow of a doubt that there was no connection between Iraq and WMDs. That is the nature of intelligence: your going to have conflicting messages - what the facts DO show is that intelligence reports were conflicted, and it certainly wasn't clear that Bush was wrong when he made the decision.

Yes, you are issuing ad hom attacks by calling Kucinich and all those who listen to him "woo-woo's and nuts". You say he is clinically crazy because he impeaches people over and over again, well then can you tell me how many people he has attempted to impeach? Two to you is over and over? Well, then I guess all the Republicans that impeached Clinton are half crazy right.

What I want to know is who are you to decide Kucinich's motivations? All you have displayed on this board is a unique stubbornness to only believe a MSM that you don't trust, and the ability to tow the Republican party line. You seem to be so quick to call me partisan insinuating that it is anti-educational, but you yourself exhibit all the characteristics of a partisan Bush supporter (as opposed to me who hates both parties).

Give me example of Kucinich flip flopping or something to pander to the public. As far as I can see, his voting record has been very consistent, which would lead me to believe that he actually believes in what he is doing.

You then say there was no definitive connection between Iraq and WMD's, but that not what I said. Kucinich's impeachment is about meeting with inteligence officials on one day who told him there was zero connection between Iraq and Al Qaida, and then Bush the next day telling the American public there was. This is the story the inteligence officials and their briefs they filed told, and no one is claiming thats not true.

That fact that MSNBC and CNN don't spend all day catering to your rabid need to blame George Bush for everything does not change the facts. The facts are every time some woo-woo liberal attempts to impeach bush to start a political circus, they do get mentioned. Every time. Why? Because the mass media is feeding your bush-hating propaganda needs. In fact, every time he pulls this impeachment stunt I've always seen it covered on every major network.

Again, I don't blame Bush for everything, I hate both parties. You claim you heard every media outlet talk about this, then please post videos. I heard Olbermann mention it i passing the day Kucinich passed them, and that was it. No one has addressed the 35 allegations he brings up. I would venture a guess that the average new watching American either has no idea impeacment proceeding were filed against Bush, or if they do have no idea what it was about, and I will also guarantee that even more people have no idea proceedings were brought against Cheney.

Also, heres some media watchdog groups and other sites that talk about how the impeachment was not discussed.

www.aleeka.com...

www.smirkingchimp.com...

www.rawstory.com...

Now i know, instead of providing me with examples to back up your claims that they were discussed, you will just call these sites biased, but I just wanted to give you an opportunity to see how you might be wrong.

Oh please. He was given coverage when he was viable, and was dropped when he was no longer viable. I am a libertarian and a Ron Paul supporter, and even I am not going to join the delusions on this. Sadly, why Ron Paul lost was due to his rabid supporters. I loved Ron Paul, not the Paulbots.

I knew you would say this, so all I can say is your wrong, and to ask anyone reading this to ask themselves if they think Ron Paul got fair coverage. The fact that you say this, then claim to be a Ron Paul supporter is ridiculous. Prove this with evidence. Again, I will post media watchdog sites that claim Paul did not get fair coverage.

www.lewrockwell.com...

www.aim.org...
of particular note as they are a highly conservative organization)

www.uruknet.info...

www.socialdailynews.com...

I could go on and on. The point is that you don't want to hear the truth. You watch the same media as everyone else, and you claim to see things that just aren't there. You have shown through your posts an utter failure to comprehend the media, and yet you blindly assume that anything they don't report can't be true. You have provided no evidence for you claims and refuse to look at what evidence is provided to you. All you have managed to accomplish on this thread is making the OP seem all the more plausible by showing how people can be duped by the system. I truly wish you the best, and encourage you to try to keep an open mind.