A REAL AIRPLANE CRASH! Did you see pieces like this at the Flight 93 crash site?

Come on, do you think we are all fools in here.

In your case answer is yes

Apparently did not look at crash scene photos I posted - these are
only fraction. Much of debris was buried in earth as crash site was
soft ground - landfill over abandoned strip mine. A lot of the debris
was sprayed into surrounding woods - can see it in some of photos

reply to post by driveshaft08

any photos or video proof how the plane crashed? How you know the
plane was belly up going 580 mph?

Numerous witnesses saw plane rolled over on back. Confirmed by
FDR (Flight Data Recorder) which records airspeed , engine thrust, the postion of controls and any control inputs

Originally posted by thedman
Numerous witnesses saw plane rolled over on back. Confirmed by
FDR (Flight Data Recorder) which records airspeed , engine thrust, the postion of controls and any control inputs

What about witnesses that do not agree with the official story, you just ignore those, still waiting for an explanation for the flickering lights.

Still no official reports, physical evidence, photos or videos.

No reports matching any parts found to Flight 93.



[edit on 11-7-2008 by ULTIMA1]

What about witnesses that do not agree with the official story, you just ignore those, still waiting for an explanation for the flickering lights.

As you know eye witness can sometimes be contradictory or unreliable
- saying what they though they saw, not actually what happened.
That is why must be backed up with hard foresenic evidence -
FDR data backs up most of the witnesses. Those it doesn't can be
dismissed. Unfortunately loons seem to zero in on them and ignore
others and the confirmatory hard evidence.

Originally posted by thedman
As you know eye witness can sometimes be contradictory or unreliable

So why do people that beleive the official story rely so much on witnesses and not on actual evidnece?

The Pentagon is a very good example of believers relying on witnesses and not evidence.


[edit on 11-7-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by thedman
As you know eye witness can sometimes be contradictory or unreliable

So why do people that beleive the official story rely so much on witnesses and not on actual evidnece?

They rely on "witnesses" when it suits them, especially when there's a total lack of evidence, like at the Pentagon or Shanksville.

Originally posted by GoldenFleece
They rely on "witnesses" when it suits them, especially when there's a total lack of evidence, like at the Pentagon or Shanksville.

Yes that is a fact since we have witnesses that contridict what the official story states.

I dont care how fast , how high, straight down, sideways, backwards,that plane came down, That is not a Crash sight scene that we have been shown in Shanksvillle. Call it what you want BUT NO PLANE CRASH IN THAT HOLE!

So, you would rather believe that all crashes should look the same regardless of specifics as that gives evidence that 93 was covered up? (not denying that there is something wrong there)

The fact is the conditions matter and always will, particularly when it comes to wreckage. A crash going at high speed into the ground will always look different to a crash landing with the fuselage roughly parallel to the ground. So your point there is invalid.

To put it another way, it would be like comparing TWA800 with the crash of EA961, and expecting the wreckage to look the same.

[edit on 11-7-2008 by apex]

Originally posted by apex
To put it another way, it would be like comparing TWA800

But you can compare Flight 800 with Flight 93 because they both hit straight in at high speed.

So why don't we have the debris at Flight 93's site as we did at Flight 800's site ?

Well that is a good question. All things considered with the level of conspiracy sometimes proposed, the 'impact site' shown could even be a fake with the real one elsewhere, or it is the real one but we've never seen how it actually looked, with the images there to make us think it was never there at all, to distract the conspiracy minded from it being a shootdown.

No point denying that there should be wreckage like that from TWA800, but 800 did have a rather major amount of damage to the main pieces before they hit from the initial explosion.

Obviously the wreckage found at 93's site hasn't been seen by the rest of the world since 9/11.

[edit on 11-7-2008 by apex]

Originally posted by thedman
reply to post by driveshaft08

 

any photos or video proof how the plane crashed? How you know the
plane was belly up going 580 mph?

Numerous witnesses saw plane rolled over on back. Confirmed by
FDR (Flight Data Recorder) which records airspeed , engine thrust, the postion of controls and any control inputs

There is a thread not too far from here that has said witness statements within, and a lot of them are complete rubbish!

You can't trust eye-witnesses where an aircraft crash occurred - 90% of the time they're wrong.

There is a thread not too far from here that has said witness statements within, and a lot of them are complete rubbish!

You can't trust eye-witnesses where an aircraft crash occurred - 90% of the time they're wrong.

Thats why they put data recorders on aircraft - so you can get accurate
information concerning condition of aircraft prior to impact.

The FDR data confirmed what many of witness said - plane rolled on back
nose down.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
Partial reconstruction....in an attempt to figure out exactly what knocked Flight 800 out of the air. Far different from Flight 93

Exactly, Flight 800 was investigated as a crime and reconstruction done as part of the investigation. Just like Flight 93 is a crime and reconstruction should have been done as part of the investigation.

You really do need to get some new material Optima. You misconstrued this same information a year or so ago… which just shows you will never understand what people are saying...

Flight 800 was investigated for a crime, but it was never the primary reason. It was also not the reason reconstruction was done. It was done to figure out what happened and why it did crash. We know why planes on 9/11 crashed, plus there are not enough pieces to rebuild. If their were pieces somewhere, it could be reconstructed, then you could cry foul at that too.

This sounds strangely like using your common games of semantics, again, but sometimes things need to be explained on this board or half a dozen more conspiracy theories will be born.

reply to post by thedman

Hey, did "YOU" see my photos I guess not!

Find some one else, to prove your Conspiracies to.
I am not biteing.
Sorry I dont buy in to Governments lies.

You can spin your version anyway you like, There was NO plane cash!
You dont have a leg to stand on, with the Government version of lies.

did you see how shallow that hole in the ground is. LOL NOT deep at all.
So where is Your Airplane? where is parts of the tail?
only one engine was found where are the food trays?
where are all those seats?
where are all the telephones that where on the plane?
where are the arm rest on all the seats?
where are all the pillows?
where is all the food?
where are the door handles?
where are all the wheels- tires?
where are all the clothes that where on the bodys?
where are the women purses?
where is the luggage?
where are some of the gauges from the plane?
where are the luggage racks?
where is all the steel from the plane?
where are ALL the landing gears? I saw a pic of one!
where is ALL the broken glass from ALL the windows?
I noticed in your pic only a part of some windows from the plane fuselage
was recovered. Notice there is no burns on the outer edge.
where are all the miles of cables and wires?

Where is part of the cargo area or part of the frame?

where are the doors?
Where are all the hatches?

Where are the springs from the plane?
where are the (CHANGE OUT PARTS) from the plane?
where is the carpet or parts of carpet from the floor?
where are the rubber mats?
where are the coffee pots?
where are the food carts?
where are ALL those people shoes?

why is there no clothes scattered all over the place?
hair dryers, shaven kits, hair bushes, toothpast, shampoo, hair spray ?

Sorry there is no Crash sene here.

Originally posted by cashlink

Hey, did "YOU" see my photos I guess not!

Find some one else, to prove your Conspiracies to.
I am not biteing.
Sorry I dont buy in to Governments lies.

You can spin your version anyway you like, There was NO plane cash!
You dont have a leg to stand on, with the Government version of lies.

did you see how shallow that hole in the ground is. LOL NOT deep at all.
So where is Your Airplane? where is parts of the tail?
only one engine was found where are the food trays?
where are all those seats?
where are all the telephones that where on the plane?
...........................

Sorry there is no Crash sene here.

Cash,

I apologize for not being able to go line by line specifically on your requests. However, please read the following statements and photograph's that will answer at least a few of your questions. Please keep in mind that the "hole" was not shallow...Debris was found I believe up to 50 ft below the surface.

Thank you.

Airplane & BodyParts

When former firefighter Dave Fox arrived at the scene, "He saw a wiring harness, and a piston. None of the other pieces was bigger than a TV remote. He saw three chunks of torn human tissue. He swallowed hard. 'You knew there were people there, but you couldn't see them,' he says."

www.pittsburghlive.com...

Lambert (a distant relative of Nevin's) says his first trip around the site in October was "overwhelming and heartbreaking." He was absorbing the devastation when his escort, Somerset County Coroner Wally Miller, held up a quarter-size piece of metal. "As soon as he did that, you saw plane parts everywhere," Lambert says. Now, he can't help searching the ground every time he visits. "I don't notice the trees, the beauty of the land, the grass, or the snow," he says. "I just notice plane parts."

... Errant shards of the aircraft can still be found there–twisted plates of the machine's metal skin and swatches of patterned seat covers–but it's illegal to keep them. They're still considered evidence, and the area a crime scene, "until they catch [Osama] bin Laden," say many local police officers.

www.usnews.com...

Personal Belongings

....But searchers also gathered surprisingly intact mementos of lives lost.

Those items, such as a wedding ring and other jewelry, photos, credit cards, purses and their contents, shoes, a wallet and currency, are among seven boxes of identified personal effects salvaged from the site. They sit in an El Segundo, Calif., mortuary and will be returned to victims' families in February.

"We have some property for most passengers," said Craig Hendrix, a funeral coordinator and a personal effects administrator with Douglass Air Disaster Funeral Coordinators, a company often contacted by airlines after devastating crashes.

Hendrix said United Airlines' insurance underwriter hired Douglass on Sept. 12 to handle not only funeral arrangements for the victims but also the return of personal effects.

www.post-gazette.com...

A ring and a badge

Since receiving the personal effects of Flight 93 passengers from the FBI in early November, Douglass has been preparing the items for return. For example, about two weeks ago, FBI agents presented the wedding ring and wallet of passenger Andrew Garcia to his wife, Dorothy, in Portola Valley, Calif.

But before the FBI delivered the ring to Garcia, which was inscribed with "All my love, 8-2-69," Douglass sent it to a jeweler for cleaning and repair.

Around Thanksgiving, Jerry and Beatrice Guadagno of Ewing, N.J., received word that their son Richard's credentials and badge from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service had been found by the FBI at the crash site.

"It was practically intact," Richard's sister, Lori, said of the credentials, which were returned in their wallet. "It just looked like it wasn't damaged or hadn't gone through much of anything at all, which is so bizarre and ironic.

"Everything takes on an extra special meaning, especially when there's so little that you have."

www.post-gazette.com...


Here are some photographs of some of the things you requested:


AirFone:



Personal Belongings:







Plane Parts:

Seat Belt:



Insulation:

reply to post by cashlink


You want more debris

Personal effects





Flight and voice recorders




Crater - based on height of people on edge I estimate between 12 and
15 feet deep




Overview of crash scene



Bin holding recovered aircraft parts - there were 10 of these large bins
some 60 TONS of debris was recovered. Searchers sent several weeks
on their hands and knees recovering everything they could





Debris in woods





There was plenty of debris - it is just you refuse to accept it because
doesn't comport with your paranoid fantasties.

reply to post by thedman


I see you two are the experts here I see you have solved this case.

Well folks, nothing to learn new here, time to move on lets just close this link.

According to "both" of you everyone has got it all wrong except you two.

I see both of you two, jump on every 911 thread in here and "ridicules" everyone who dosent believe the the Government Conspiracies.

You two have "NEVER" proven anything that stands up to Science and real physics, that supports the Government Conspiracies Theories.

Nothing!

I have to ask, what are you two doing in these 911 threads (We the Truth movement) know the Government Conspiracies theories.

As We can see, both of you are "strong" believers of the Government Conspiracies theories.

Dont expect, the Truth movement to follow both of you.


The Truth movement goal is the "Truth" we are not the DEBUNKERS!
The people who believe in the Government version of 911 are the DEBUNKERS.

Yet, they havent Debunk anything really.

The only thing I am seeing here from you two, is "Pseudoskeptics" and "Disinformants".



[edit on 7/12/2008 by cashlink]

[edit on 7/12/2008 by cashlink]

Originally posted by thedman
The FDR data confirmed what many of witness said - plane rolled on back
nose down.

Its just too bad you have no official investigation reports or physical evidence.

Funny how the happened to find the FDR but no tail section left where the FDR is located. Same as at the Pentagon.

Originally posted by Jake the Dog Man
We know why planes on 9/11 crashed, plus there are not enough pieces to rebuild.

Please explain to me exactly what happened to the planes on 9/11 and show me the investigation reports to support your claim.

Why do so many beleivers keep stating there were lots of pieces found at the Flight 77 and 93 sites?

How can there be enough debris at the flight 800 crash site to do a reconstruction but not at the 9/11 crash sites?

The plane crash in that video i'm sure meant to avoid it, hence air speed reduction and elevated angle.

The Flight 93 - you had radical Islamists, who instead of letting people into the cockpit, force steered the plane into a nose dive at a top speed of over 500mph screaming "Allah Akbar" on the way down.

There isn't going to much left in terms of larger pieces of the plane to show for it with an intentional kamikazee into the PA countryside.


[edit on 12-7-2008 by jetxnet]