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40 'Smoking Guns' Collectively Proving That 9/11 Was An Inside Job
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reply to post by ThroatYogurt
No I am not a fan of the lieing Government
Infact you have not giveing me anything here only what suport the Government Conspiracies, nothing more.
Now I just sent you some info and all you can say is I am not some fan PLease ThrotYogart That not good enough for me, are all these pilots wrong?
F.B.I. Counsel: No Attempt Made By F.B.I. To Formally Identify 9/11 Plane Wreckage
Aidan Monaghan
03/18/08
Contained within a March 14, 2008 "DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR ENLARGEMENT OF TIME TO RESPOND TO AMENDED COMPLAINT" with the Nevada District U.S. Court, concerning a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit filed by Mr. Aidan Monaghan (Case #: 2:07-cv-01614-RCJ-GWF) to order the production of Federal Bureau of Investigation records concerning the 4 aircraft involved in the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, Assistant U.S. Attorney Patrick A. Rose has indicated on behalf of the FBI, that records indicating the collection and positive identification of recovered wreckage created by these federally registered aircraft, do not exist.
Defendants motion reads in part:
"Since being served with the Summons and Amended Complaint, Federal Defendant, with assistance of its attorneys, has analyzed Plaintiff's request and conducted a search for responsive records. Federal Defendant has determined that there are no responsive records. The identities of the airplanes hijacked in the September 11 attacks was never in question, and, therefore, there were no records generated "revealing the process by which wreckage recovered by defendant, from aircraft used during the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, was positively identified by defendant . . . as belonging to said aircraft . . . (Amend Compl. Inj. Relief #15 at 1.)"
However, this claim is directly contradicted by public comments offered by Carol Carmody, Vice-Chairman National Transportation Safety Board and Marion C. Blakey, Chairman National Transportation Safety Board, who both indicated in 2002 that FBI director Robert Mueller requested NTSB assistance with 9/11 aircraft wreckage identification and that the NTSB did perform 9/11 aircraft wreckage identification analysis.
Aidan Monaghan
Contained within a March 14, 2008 "DEFENDANT’S MOTION FOR ENLARGEMENT OF TIME TO RESPOND TO AMENDED COMPLAINT" with the Nevada District U.S. Court, concerning a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit filed by Mr. Aidan Monaghan (Case #: 2:07-cv-01614-RCJ-GWF) to order the production of Federal Bureau of Investigation records concerning the 4 aircraft involved in the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, Assistant U.S. Attorney Patrick A. Rose has indicated on behalf of the FBI, that records indicating the collection and positive identification of recovered wreckage created by these federally registered aircraft, do not exist.
Defendants motion reads in part:
"Since being served with the Summons and Amended Complaint, Federal Defendant, with assistance of its attorneys, has analyzed Plaintiff’s request and conducted a search for responsive records. Federal Defendant has determined that there are no responsive records. The identities of the airplanes hijacked in the September 11 attacks was never in question, and, therefore, there were no records generated “revealing the process by which wreckage recovered by defendant, from aircraft used during the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, was positively identified by defendant . . . as belonging to said aircraft . . .” (Amend Compl. Inj. Relief #15 at 1.)"
However, this claim is directly contradicted by public comments offered by Carol Carmody, Vice-Chairman National Transportation Safety Board and Marion C. Blakey, Chairman National Transportation Safety Board, who both indicated in 2002 that FBI director Robert Mueller requested NTSB assistance with 9/11 aircraft wreckage identification and that the NTSB did perform 9/11 aircraft wreckage identification analysis.
www.911blogger.com...
No I am not a fan of the lieing Government
Infact you have not giveing me anything here only what suport the Government Conspiracies, nothing more.
Now I just sent you some info and all you can say is I am not some fan PLease ThrotYogart That not good enough for me, are all these pilots wrong?
F.B.I. Counsel: No Attempt Made By F.B.I. To Formally Identify 9/11 Plane Wreckage
Aidan Monaghan
03/18/08
Contained within a March 14, 2008 "DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR ENLARGEMENT OF TIME TO RESPOND TO AMENDED COMPLAINT" with the Nevada District U.S. Court, concerning a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit filed by Mr. Aidan Monaghan (Case #: 2:07-cv-01614-RCJ-GWF) to order the production of Federal Bureau of Investigation records concerning the 4 aircraft involved in the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, Assistant U.S. Attorney Patrick A. Rose has indicated on behalf of the FBI, that records indicating the collection and positive identification of recovered wreckage created by these federally registered aircraft, do not exist.
Defendants motion reads in part:
"Since being served with the Summons and Amended Complaint, Federal Defendant, with assistance of its attorneys, has analyzed Plaintiff's request and conducted a search for responsive records. Federal Defendant has determined that there are no responsive records. The identities of the airplanes hijacked in the September 11 attacks was never in question, and, therefore, there were no records generated "revealing the process by which wreckage recovered by defendant, from aircraft used during the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, was positively identified by defendant . . . as belonging to said aircraft . . . (Amend Compl. Inj. Relief #15 at 1.)"
However, this claim is directly contradicted by public comments offered by Carol Carmody, Vice-Chairman National Transportation Safety Board and Marion C. Blakey, Chairman National Transportation Safety Board, who both indicated in 2002 that FBI director Robert Mueller requested NTSB assistance with 9/11 aircraft wreckage identification and that the NTSB did perform 9/11 aircraft wreckage identification analysis.
Aidan Monaghan
Contained within a March 14, 2008 "DEFENDANT’S MOTION FOR ENLARGEMENT OF TIME TO RESPOND TO AMENDED COMPLAINT" with the Nevada District U.S. Court, concerning a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit filed by Mr. Aidan Monaghan (Case #: 2:07-cv-01614-RCJ-GWF) to order the production of Federal Bureau of Investigation records concerning the 4 aircraft involved in the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, Assistant U.S. Attorney Patrick A. Rose has indicated on behalf of the FBI, that records indicating the collection and positive identification of recovered wreckage created by these federally registered aircraft, do not exist.
Defendants motion reads in part:
"Since being served with the Summons and Amended Complaint, Federal Defendant, with assistance of its attorneys, has analyzed Plaintiff’s request and conducted a search for responsive records. Federal Defendant has determined that there are no responsive records. The identities of the airplanes hijacked in the September 11 attacks was never in question, and, therefore, there were no records generated “revealing the process by which wreckage recovered by defendant, from aircraft used during the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, was positively identified by defendant . . . as belonging to said aircraft . . .” (Amend Compl. Inj. Relief #15 at 1.)"
However, this claim is directly contradicted by public comments offered by Carol Carmody, Vice-Chairman National Transportation Safety Board and Marion C. Blakey, Chairman National Transportation Safety Board, who both indicated in 2002 that FBI director Robert Mueller requested NTSB assistance with 9/11 aircraft wreckage identification and that the NTSB did perform 9/11 aircraft wreckage identification analysis.
www.911blogger.com...
Off topic .
this is not a one line post
[edit on 1-8-2008 by Cool Hand Luke]
this is not a one line post
[edit on 1-8-2008 by Cool Hand Luke]
Sorry ThrotYogart You can "NOT" even prove that flight 93 even crash!
Or even the other airplanes are the right airplanes that were highjack that day.
PLAINTIFF'S AMENDED COMPLAINT FOR INJUNCTIVE RELIEF
1. This is an action under the Freedom of Information Act, 5 U.S.C. § 552, to order the production of agency records, concerning documentation revealing the process by which wreckage recovered by defendant, from the aircraft used during the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, was positively identified by defendant (with the aid of the National Transportation Safety Board), as belonging to the said aircraft, presumably through the use of unique serial number identifying information contained by the said aircraft's wreckage, that was collected by defendant and which defendant has improperly withheld from plaintiff.
The data sought by plaintiff is the basis for the F.B.I's. current public position, that the following 4 flights were those that were involved in the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001:
- American Airlines flight 11, United Airlines flight 175, American Airlines flight 77 and United Airlines flight 93.
The data sought by plaintiff was obtained by the F.B.I., which publicly lists the following Federal Aviation Administration then registered aircraft, as those that were involved in the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001:
- American Airlines flight 11 (N334AA), United Airlines flight 175 (N612UA), American Airlines flight 77 (N644AA) and United Airlines flight 93 (N591UA)
The data sought by plaintiff cannot "interfere with enforcement proceedings" (per Title 5, United States Code, Section 552, subsection (b) (7) (A)), as it is the basis for the F.B.I's. already publicly known opinion regarding the identities of the said aircraft, the publication of which was not predicted by the F.B.I., to "interfere with enforcement proceedings", as alleged (per Title 5, United States Code, Section 552, subsection (b) (7) (A)).
2. This court has jurisdiction over this action pursuant to 5 U.S.C. § 552(a)(4)(B).
3. Plaintiff, Aidan Monaghan, is a private individual and is the requestor of the records which defendant is now withholding. Plaintiff has requested this information for non-commercial use and prompt release of the information is important because of the immediate public interest in this information.
4. Defendant Federal Bureau of Investigation (F.B.I.) is an agency of the United States and has possession of the documents that plaintiff seeks.
5. By undated attached letter facsimile, plaintiff requested access to documentation revealing the process by which recovered debris from the aircraft used during the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, was positively identified as belonging to the said aircraft. A copy of this letter is attached as Exhibit 1.
6. By letter facsimile dated September 24, 2007, plaintiff was denied access to the requested information on the grounds that it was exempt from disclosure under Title 5, United States Code, Section 552, subsection (b) (7) (A). A copy of this letter is attached as Exhibit 2.
7. By undated attached letter facsimile, plaintiff appealed the denial of this request. A copy of this letter is attached as Exhibit 3.
8. By letter facsimile dated November 26, 2007, plaintiffs appeal of request denial was denied. A copy of this letter is attached as Exhibit 4.
9. By document labeled "Remarks of Carol Carmody Vice-Chairman, National Transportation Safety Board Leadership in Times of Crisis Seminar", it is indicated that the director of the F.B.I. requested that the N.T.S.B. "help identify aircraft parts" belonging to the said aircraft. A copy of this letter is attached as Exhibit 5.
10. By document labeled "Testimony of Marion C. Blakey, Chairman National Transportation Safety Board before the Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation United States Senate", it is indicated that the N.T.S.B. assisted the F.B.I. with the process of "aircraft parts identification" regarding the said aircraft. A copy of this letter is attached as Exhibit 6.
11. By document identified as "RE: serial number component", e-mail reply provided by N.T.S.B. to a public correspondence e-mail inquiry, it is indicated that the aircraft identification assistance provided by the N.T.S.B. to defendant F.B.I., involved documenting "serial numbers of major components" contained by wreckage recovered by defendant F.B.I.. Copies of these documents are attached as Exhibit 7.
12. By N.T.S.B. documents identified as DCA01MA060, DCA01MA063, DCA01MA064 and DCA01MA065, it is indicated that the N.T.S.B. is of the opinion that the above noted aircraft that were federally registered as of September 11, 2001, were positively identified as those involved in the terrorist attacks of that day and did provide "requested technical assistance to the F.B.I.", as indicated above. Copies of these documents are attached as Exhibit 8.
13. By documents labeled U.S. Code of Federal Regulations (CFR), Title 14, Part 45, it is indicated that all U.S. commercial civil aircraft are required to contain numerous components (described within as "parts") indicating unique serial number data "secured in such a manner that it will not likely be ... lost or destroyed in an accident". Copies of these documents are attached as Exhibit 9.
Te14. By FAA documents identified as "Summary of Air Traffic Hijack Events", pages 4 and 13, it is indicated that American Airlines flight 11 (N334AA) and United Airlines flight 175 (N612UA) were not transmitting proper transponder identification data at the time of their respective destructions and that therefore, proper aircraft identification cannot have been obtained from this absent or erroneous data. Copies of these documents are attached as Exhibit 10.xt
15. By documents labeled "NOTES TO CHAPTER 1", page 456, of the "Final Report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States" (2004), it is indicated that "the CVRs and FDRs from American 11 and United 175 were not found" and that therefore, proper aircraft identification cannot have been obtained from this absent data. Copies of these documents are attached as Exhibit 11.
16. By photographs identified as "A"-"G", it is indicated that the above noted aircraft wreckage was:
- recovered by the FBI, with the assistance of the N.T.S.B..
- presented for public examination, the display of which was deeme
Or even the other airplanes are the right airplanes that were highjack that day.
PLAINTIFF'S AMENDED COMPLAINT FOR INJUNCTIVE RELIEF
1. This is an action under the Freedom of Information Act, 5 U.S.C. § 552, to order the production of agency records, concerning documentation revealing the process by which wreckage recovered by defendant, from the aircraft used during the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, was positively identified by defendant (with the aid of the National Transportation Safety Board), as belonging to the said aircraft, presumably through the use of unique serial number identifying information contained by the said aircraft's wreckage, that was collected by defendant and which defendant has improperly withheld from plaintiff.
The data sought by plaintiff is the basis for the F.B.I's. current public position, that the following 4 flights were those that were involved in the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001:
- American Airlines flight 11, United Airlines flight 175, American Airlines flight 77 and United Airlines flight 93.
The data sought by plaintiff was obtained by the F.B.I., which publicly lists the following Federal Aviation Administration then registered aircraft, as those that were involved in the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001:
- American Airlines flight 11 (N334AA), United Airlines flight 175 (N612UA), American Airlines flight 77 (N644AA) and United Airlines flight 93 (N591UA)
The data sought by plaintiff cannot "interfere with enforcement proceedings" (per Title 5, United States Code, Section 552, subsection (b) (7) (A)), as it is the basis for the F.B.I's. already publicly known opinion regarding the identities of the said aircraft, the publication of which was not predicted by the F.B.I., to "interfere with enforcement proceedings", as alleged (per Title 5, United States Code, Section 552, subsection (b) (7) (A)).
2. This court has jurisdiction over this action pursuant to 5 U.S.C. § 552(a)(4)(B).
3. Plaintiff, Aidan Monaghan, is a private individual and is the requestor of the records which defendant is now withholding. Plaintiff has requested this information for non-commercial use and prompt release of the information is important because of the immediate public interest in this information.
4. Defendant Federal Bureau of Investigation (F.B.I.) is an agency of the United States and has possession of the documents that plaintiff seeks.
5. By undated attached letter facsimile, plaintiff requested access to documentation revealing the process by which recovered debris from the aircraft used during the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, was positively identified as belonging to the said aircraft. A copy of this letter is attached as Exhibit 1.
6. By letter facsimile dated September 24, 2007, plaintiff was denied access to the requested information on the grounds that it was exempt from disclosure under Title 5, United States Code, Section 552, subsection (b) (7) (A). A copy of this letter is attached as Exhibit 2.
7. By undated attached letter facsimile, plaintiff appealed the denial of this request. A copy of this letter is attached as Exhibit 3.
8. By letter facsimile dated November 26, 2007, plaintiffs appeal of request denial was denied. A copy of this letter is attached as Exhibit 4.
9. By document labeled "Remarks of Carol Carmody Vice-Chairman, National Transportation Safety Board Leadership in Times of Crisis Seminar", it is indicated that the director of the F.B.I. requested that the N.T.S.B. "help identify aircraft parts" belonging to the said aircraft. A copy of this letter is attached as Exhibit 5.
10. By document labeled "Testimony of Marion C. Blakey, Chairman National Transportation Safety Board before the Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation United States Senate", it is indicated that the N.T.S.B. assisted the F.B.I. with the process of "aircraft parts identification" regarding the said aircraft. A copy of this letter is attached as Exhibit 6.
11. By document identified as "RE: serial number component", e-mail reply provided by N.T.S.B. to a public correspondence e-mail inquiry, it is indicated that the aircraft identification assistance provided by the N.T.S.B. to defendant F.B.I., involved documenting "serial numbers of major components" contained by wreckage recovered by defendant F.B.I.. Copies of these documents are attached as Exhibit 7.
12. By N.T.S.B. documents identified as DCA01MA060, DCA01MA063, DCA01MA064 and DCA01MA065, it is indicated that the N.T.S.B. is of the opinion that the above noted aircraft that were federally registered as of September 11, 2001, were positively identified as those involved in the terrorist attacks of that day and did provide "requested technical assistance to the F.B.I.", as indicated above. Copies of these documents are attached as Exhibit 8.
13. By documents labeled U.S. Code of Federal Regulations (CFR), Title 14, Part 45, it is indicated that all U.S. commercial civil aircraft are required to contain numerous components (described within as "parts") indicating unique serial number data "secured in such a manner that it will not likely be ... lost or destroyed in an accident". Copies of these documents are attached as Exhibit 9.
Te14. By FAA documents identified as "Summary of Air Traffic Hijack Events", pages 4 and 13, it is indicated that American Airlines flight 11 (N334AA) and United Airlines flight 175 (N612UA) were not transmitting proper transponder identification data at the time of their respective destructions and that therefore, proper aircraft identification cannot have been obtained from this absent or erroneous data. Copies of these documents are attached as Exhibit 10.xt
15. By documents labeled "NOTES TO CHAPTER 1", page 456, of the "Final Report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States" (2004), it is indicated that "the CVRs and FDRs from American 11 and United 175 were not found" and that therefore, proper aircraft identification cannot have been obtained from this absent data. Copies of these documents are attached as Exhibit 11.
16. By photographs identified as "A"-"G", it is indicated that the above noted aircraft wreckage was:
- recovered by the FBI, with the assistance of the N.T.S.B..
- presented for public examination, the display of which was deeme
off topic
This is not a one line post
[edit on 1-8-2008 by Cool Hand Luke]
This is not a one line post
[edit on 1-8-2008 by Cool Hand Luke]
ThrotYogart this is for you to read.
This is who I trust for some of my info when it comes to understanding what happened to those airplanes.
Pilots For Truth is in its infancy and has only been released to the public since August 2006. We only cover facts as our mission statement explains on the home page.
- We currently have numerous pilots/aviation professionals -- and growing -- at Pilots For Truth. Current combined experience is over 200,000 Hours flight time with ATP, Commercial, Primary and Advanced Flight Instructors etc.
- Airlines represented include Continental, American, TWA, Independence Air, ATA, jetBlue, United, several corporate, charter and fractional carriers.
- Our membership covers every branch of the military.
- We have experts from Boeing and licensed Aircraft Maintenance Technicians (AMT's).
- We have several members who help behind the scenes as they will lose their jobs (and access to information) should they go public. These types of members include airline workers and current active duty military.
-Scholars for Truth and Veterans For Truth are part of the same team. Aviation professionals from each organization are considered part of each other. Which include aero engineers, simulator experts.. FAA Inspectors.. etc. Contacts are ongoing to organize as we are getting emails daily from those wishing to join. A list of members is now available and will be constantly updated. Again, Pilots For Truth is in its infancy.
- Pilot experience includes type ratings in MD-88, CRJ, 737, 757, 767, 747, DC-10, J-41, several corporate types and Military drivers.
- The Flight Data Recorder Research Team consists of Professionals/Experts in Computers for decoding files, pilots and Accident Investigators to interpret the data, experts from Boeing to help interpret the data, and eyewitness research experts such as Aldo Marquis and Craig Renke from the Citizen Investigation Team..
- The NTSB has refused to comment regarding the conflict in the Official story vs. the American Airlines Flight 77 Flight Data Recorder.
- Any aviation professional interested in joining our research team, please contact [email protected] (please remove the words NOSPAM when emailing).
We welcome all aviation professionals. Pilots, Mechanics, ATC, FA's, Rampers, Gate Agents, Customer Service, etc.
pilotsfor911truth.org...
This is who I trust for some of my info when it comes to understanding what happened to those airplanes.
Pilots For Truth is in its infancy and has only been released to the public since August 2006. We only cover facts as our mission statement explains on the home page.
- We currently have numerous pilots/aviation professionals -- and growing -- at Pilots For Truth. Current combined experience is over 200,000 Hours flight time with ATP, Commercial, Primary and Advanced Flight Instructors etc.
- Airlines represented include Continental, American, TWA, Independence Air, ATA, jetBlue, United, several corporate, charter and fractional carriers.
- Our membership covers every branch of the military.
- We have experts from Boeing and licensed Aircraft Maintenance Technicians (AMT's).
- We have several members who help behind the scenes as they will lose their jobs (and access to information) should they go public. These types of members include airline workers and current active duty military.
-Scholars for Truth and Veterans For Truth are part of the same team. Aviation professionals from each organization are considered part of each other. Which include aero engineers, simulator experts.. FAA Inspectors.. etc. Contacts are ongoing to organize as we are getting emails daily from those wishing to join. A list of members is now available and will be constantly updated. Again, Pilots For Truth is in its infancy.
- Pilot experience includes type ratings in MD-88, CRJ, 737, 757, 767, 747, DC-10, J-41, several corporate types and Military drivers.
- The Flight Data Recorder Research Team consists of Professionals/Experts in Computers for decoding files, pilots and Accident Investigators to interpret the data, experts from Boeing to help interpret the data, and eyewitness research experts such as Aldo Marquis and Craig Renke from the Citizen Investigation Team..
- The NTSB has refused to comment regarding the conflict in the Official story vs. the American Airlines Flight 77 Flight Data Recorder.
- Any aviation professional interested in joining our research team, please contact [email protected] (please remove the words NOSPAM when emailing).
We welcome all aviation professionals. Pilots, Mechanics, ATC, FA's, Rampers, Gate Agents, Customer Service, etc.
pilotsfor911truth.org...
Originally posted by Cool Hand Luke
Well I guess eye witnesses, flight data recorder, pics of the colours on the wreckage in the video, and radar mean nothing to you?
No, we need actual evidence, so far we do not have any.
Nowhere. Why would they need to?
Becasue its a crime scene, just like flight 800 was a crime scene. So there should be a reconstruction done.
reply to post by cashlink
Cash... I actually thought you were going to have a good conversation with me.
I showed you several mistakes you made with your assumptions and statements. You admitted to one.
Funny how you didn't comment on any more.
After you were shown several mistakes....you cut and paste information from other threads here.
This is called moving the goal posts.
As I said, I will be more than happy to join you in conversation at those threads if you would like. Don't bring them here.
Have you read the Vanity fair article? Oh thats right.. its a rag mag! But hey...you keep on cutting and pasting from truther websites.
Cash... I actually thought you were going to have a good conversation with me.
I showed you several mistakes you made with your assumptions and statements. You admitted to one.
Funny how you didn't comment on any more.
After you were shown several mistakes....you cut and paste information from other threads here.
This is called moving the goal posts.
As I said, I will be more than happy to join you in conversation at those threads if you would like. Don't bring them here.
Have you read the Vanity fair article? Oh thats right.. its a rag mag! But hey...you keep on cutting and pasting from truther websites.
reply to post by ThroatYogurt
Cut and Past "YOU" do it all the time!
My post PROVES everything you have shown about flight 93 is a LIE!
You did not read the Law suit.
You need to read what I have sent You.
With out ANY real proof of evidents we "Both" dont any a leg to stand on.
STOP SHOVEN THE GOVENMENT VERSION DOWN OUR THROATS!
You have ONLY the Government "word" of 911 thier evidente is phony-FAKE!
They have not given up anything NOT even the TRUTH!
And yet You are going to stand behind the whole Lieing bunch!
I am not going to read something that our Government said happened because it dose not stand up to Science.
ThrotYogart dont try to spin the Government version on me.. I know thier version, and its all lies, it a laughing joke, please save it for some fool who dosnt want to know the truth.
Dont even talk to me about NIST because they are lieing to. There are law suit against them as well because some of thier facts dont stand up to Science.
NIST has lost there Credablity with the American people who are looking for the truth on 911.
NIST story dose not hold up to Science and YOU know it.
ThrotYogart you have proven yourself a Gate-keeper for the Government .
and to conceal the 911 truth.
If you keep this up with me I will put you on ignor.
Cut and Past "YOU" do it all the time!
My post PROVES everything you have shown about flight 93 is a LIE!
You did not read the Law suit.
You need to read what I have sent You.
With out ANY real proof of evidents we "Both" dont any a leg to stand on.
STOP SHOVEN THE GOVENMENT VERSION DOWN OUR THROATS!
You have ONLY the Government "word" of 911 thier evidente is phony-FAKE!
They have not given up anything NOT even the TRUTH!
And yet You are going to stand behind the whole Lieing bunch!
I am not going to read something that our Government said happened because it dose not stand up to Science.
ThrotYogart dont try to spin the Government version on me.. I know thier version, and its all lies, it a laughing joke, please save it for some fool who dosnt want to know the truth.
Dont even talk to me about NIST because they are lieing to. There are law suit against them as well because some of thier facts dont stand up to Science.
NIST has lost there Credablity with the American people who are looking for the truth on 911.
NIST story dose not hold up to Science and YOU know it.
ThrotYogart you have proven yourself a Gate-keeper for the Government .
and to conceal the 911 truth.
If you keep this up with me I will put you on ignor.
Originally posted by cashlink
Cut and Past "YOU" do it all the time!
I don't move the goal posts sir. That's what you are doing. I cut and paste information from a variety of sources. If you notice...seldom do I post from the NIST report or the 911 Commission REport. HEck, I even posted you an article where military men disagreed with the 911 report.... but hey you didn't get to that part huh?
My post PROVES everything you have shown about flight 93 is a LIE!
Your post? Which one?
That the FBI didn't identify the plane parts? Sir, flight 93 was tracked on radar the entire flight. Phone calls were made from the flight, DNA was found at the crash site, personal belongings were recovered at the site. There was no question what plane crashed there.
The one about the debris field? - no you were wrong there
The one about the FBI not being there? - no you were wrong there too.
How about your reply that showed your complete ignorance to Flight Data Recorders?
How about you not knowing that the NTSB does crash investigation?
Your not knowing that the FAA was involved in the investigation of flight 93.
You admitted in error to one of the above. Then, instead of reading some material that I thought would assist you, you spam the thread a-la-Ivan with Rob Balsford garbage.
The words I have shown you are from a large variety of people both in the private and public sector.
Please show me anywhere on this thread where I posted something from the NIST report. Please don't be dishonest.
Please show me anything about flight 93 that I have posted in here that does not stad up to science.
You can call me a gatekeeper, a schill, a troll,.....trust me I've been called worse by better people.
All I ask is that you look at the evidence that is there. Even if you dismiss the mountains of evidence collected by the government, there is yet ANOTHER mountain of evidence that STILL proves what happened to flight 93.
You wont be the first to put me on ignore. I'm sure there are many. Those are the ones that are not in search for the truth. They are in search for a story that fits theirs. They want/ need there to be a conspiracy.
Instead of pasting Rob Balsamo stuff, can you tell me what you think happened to flight 93? Been almost 7 years, I would assume you have at least an opinion.
Edit to add:
Rob Balsamo at his finest:
“Mark Roberts deserves to die a traitors [sic] death for trying to suppress 9/11 families from seeking the Truth.”–"Pilots for Truth" founder, and ex-commercial pilot, Robert Balsamo
...And a few months later:
"Mark Roberts does deserve to die a traitors death....
I will not apologize for it this time. I will be there for his death should America fall into Civil War. That is not a threat. .that is a promise.
If he gets in my way of defending our Constitution.. it will be my pleasure to put a bullet in his head to defend our Constitution from enemies foreign or domestic." –"Pilots for Truth" founder Robert Balsamo, panicking after Mark Roberts challenged him to a debate. (Punctuation left as is.)
[edit on 1-8-2008 by ThroatYogurt]
Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
You wont be the first to put me on ignore. I'm sure there are many. Those are the ones that are not in search for the truth. They are in search for a story that fits theirs. They want/ need there to be a conspiracy.
[edit on 1-8-2008 by ThroatYogurt]
interesting thing to say from someone who put me on ignore.
in fact i think i said something akin to
-go ahead, put me on ignore. that just shows that you are not interested in the truth but a forum in which to spew your set beliefs. putting me on ignore shows that you are just here to talk, not to listen.- but i am sure i am paraphrasing .
[edit on 8/1/2008 by re22666]
reply to post by re22666
IT was your attitude re22666. Remember? I don't have a problem with your theories however wrong they are.
And as I told you (obviously)... I took you off ignore.
total ATS members on ignore: 0
IT was your attitude re22666. Remember? I don't have a problem with your theories however wrong they are.
And as I told you (obviously)... I took you off ignore.
total ATS members on ignore: 0
Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
reply to post by re22666
IT was your attitude re22666. Remember? I don't have a problem with your theories however wrong they are.
And as I told you (obviously)... I took you off ignore.
total ATS members on ignore: 0
ohhh, so my attitude makes you close minded? interesting how that is my fault but we all know my attitude started with simple questions you refused to answer. you got angry because i questioned you on every thread and could not answer MY questions with all you wealth of knowledge of 9/11. so when you got mad and nasty, i responded in kind and then some. my attitude got very very poor indeed. but hey, i had both legs to stand on, so i thought, why not be as petty as him now, im coming from the right place and he is coming from the cowardice of ducking my questions.
Originally posted by re22666
ohhh, so my attitude makes you close minded?
If I were closed minded, I would not have watched hours of Truther Dribble on You-tube, listen to Alex Jones rant like he has MPD, have discussions with truthers. Most of all .. LEARN.
.........and he is coming from the cowardice of ducking my questions.
Was explained to you and I asked you to direct me to the threads. You continued to thow your petty insults without ever showing me where I was ducking you. Therefor you were placed on ignore. IF you want to continue the bickering sir I will dump you right back there.
If you would like to discuss 911 topics, please feel free. I will do my best to get you the answers you are seeking.
Have a nice day.
Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
Originally posted by re22666
ohhh, so my attitude makes you close minded?
If I were closed minded, I would not have watched hours of Truther Dribble on You-tube, listen to Alex Jones rant like he has MPD, have discussions with truthers. Most of all .. LEARN.
.........and he is coming from the cowardice of ducking my questions.
Was explained to you and I asked you to direct me to the threads. You continued to thow your petty insults without ever showing me where I was ducking you. Therefor you were placed on ignore. IF you want to continue the bickering sir I will dump you right back there.
If you would like to discuss 911 topics, please feel free. I will do my best to get you the answers you are seeking.
Have a nice day.
since proclaiming that there is no way you are a "professional debunker" because you are soooooooo busy that you only post between 8pm and 10pm during the week, you have been here all day every day again havent you. i have watched you argue until you get stumped. i will admit you are very good but i have seen enough to know that your mind is set and you are not here to learn anything, you are here to show everyone why they are wrong. just not my game anymore. i wont get petty, i could care less to bicker. have at it, good man. the field is yours. i will just watch you all eat each other quietly from over here. and like i said before, kudos for taking me off ignore, whatever the reason, it shows you are a little bit open to at least letting unpleasant noise penetrate your force field and i believe that deserves true credit.
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If I can't answer a question. I will admit it. Or if I am wrong I will admit it.
If Someone asks me something and I don't have the answer, I will try to do my best. If I am wrong... I will correct it. (hazmat crew at the flt. 93 crash)
Cashlink pretty much forced me to learn. He stated there was a hazmat crew at Shanksville... I wasn't sure... so I confirmed it.
As far as when I am on.... I was not able to post during the day until I "sneaked" past firewalls at my work. The laptop came with a different log on and password to access the internet. This allows me to post on ATS. On my PC, I am restriced from many sites. Including this one.
If I can't answer a question. I will admit it. Or if I am wrong I will admit it.
If Someone asks me something and I don't have the answer, I will try to do my best. If I am wrong... I will correct it. (hazmat crew at the flt. 93 crash)
Cashlink pretty much forced me to learn. He stated there was a hazmat crew at Shanksville... I wasn't sure... so I confirmed it.
As far as when I am on.... I was not able to post during the day until I "sneaked" past firewalls at my work. The laptop came with a different log on and password to access the internet. This allows me to post on ATS. On my PC, I am restriced from many sites. Including this one.
reply to post by ThroatYogurt
(Instead of pasting Rob Balsamo stuff, can you tell me what you think happened to flight 93? Been almost 7 years, I would assume you have at least an opinion.)
There are no opinion when dealing with some one like you.
Your past post is full of lies.
As long as I have been posting on ATS wich I have been a member here for some time now, I have never met the likes of you befor.
I have never seen a poster who make so many enemys and You do!
Reading through all these 911 threads it apears most people have a problem with you.
I am suprised the mod havent kick you off yet, But I get the feeling they have in the past.
I used to read what you post to suport "your" 911 claims that you call truth.
Now its a joke all of it, you dance around the same issues the Government this, the Government that, this is what the Government had to say, believe every word they say, the rest of you posters are wrong.
Your attitude is very rude and I noties most people in here find it offensive.
I personly find it disgusting.
You and I are at a stand off in this thread.
The reson is because You refuse to read anything that I have post.
And I will not read anything that you show to suport your delusions Government Conspiracies therories.
I have seen these post 100 of times in these threads You are not proveing anything new here.
I watch what you post, and I have noties you are very carefull picking your words vey carefully, walking that very fine line of almast getting kick off. I have to grant you that, and you are good.
BUT the only thing I do know is you are very good at pissing people off in all the 911 threads.
When you can come off your high hores for the Government and stop spinning lies for the Government maybe we can talk
Gatekeeping is what you are doing .
This is not about you TRYING to show the truth about 911 or learning the truth.
You have bent over backwards trying to keep any of 911 truth from been reveal!
I am with the truth movement I do "NOT" suport the Government version of 911 Conspiracies.
We in the truth movement find it hard to talk about anything about 911 with out you coming in here and insulting all of us!
Save you insulting remarks for some one like minded like you!
Dont was your time responding to this post ThrotYogart because I WILL NOT RESPOND!
Ill be to busy getting the truth out about 911, and proveing the Government lied to us all.
Something you havent been able to do yet!
[edit on 8/1/2008 by cashlink]
[edit on 8/1/2008 by cashlink]
(Instead of pasting Rob Balsamo stuff, can you tell me what you think happened to flight 93? Been almost 7 years, I would assume you have at least an opinion.)
There are no opinion when dealing with some one like you.
Your past post is full of lies.
As long as I have been posting on ATS wich I have been a member here for some time now, I have never met the likes of you befor.
I have never seen a poster who make so many enemys and You do!
Reading through all these 911 threads it apears most people have a problem with you.
I am suprised the mod havent kick you off yet, But I get the feeling they have in the past.
I used to read what you post to suport "your" 911 claims that you call truth.
Now its a joke all of it, you dance around the same issues the Government this, the Government that, this is what the Government had to say, believe every word they say, the rest of you posters are wrong.
Your attitude is very rude and I noties most people in here find it offensive.
I personly find it disgusting.
You and I are at a stand off in this thread.
The reson is because You refuse to read anything that I have post.
And I will not read anything that you show to suport your delusions Government Conspiracies therories.
I have seen these post 100 of times in these threads You are not proveing anything new here.
I watch what you post, and I have noties you are very carefull picking your words vey carefully, walking that very fine line of almast getting kick off. I have to grant you that, and you are good.
BUT the only thing I do know is you are very good at pissing people off in all the 911 threads.
When you can come off your high hores for the Government and stop spinning lies for the Government maybe we can talk
Gatekeeping is what you are doing .
This is not about you TRYING to show the truth about 911 or learning the truth.
You have bent over backwards trying to keep any of 911 truth from been reveal!
I am with the truth movement I do "NOT" suport the Government version of 911 Conspiracies.
We in the truth movement find it hard to talk about anything about 911 with out you coming in here and insulting all of us!
Save you insulting remarks for some one like minded like you!
Dont was your time responding to this post ThrotYogart because I WILL NOT RESPOND!
Ill be to busy getting the truth out about 911, and proveing the Government lied to us all.
Something you havent been able to do yet!
[edit on 8/1/2008 by cashlink]
[edit on 8/1/2008 by cashlink]
Originally posted by cashlink
There are no opinion when dealing with some one like you.
Your past post is full of lies.
Show me ONE LIE.
YOU have FAILED with this accusation over and over. PROVE IT or knock it off.
As long as I have been posting on ATS wich I have been a member here for some time now, I have never met the likes of you befor.
I have never seen a poster who make so many enemys and You do!
I bring balance to this form and keep those that are TRULY looking for the truth on their toes.
Reading through all these 911 threads it apears most people have a problem with you.
I am suprised the mod havent kick you off yet, But I get the feeling they have in the past.
1 - Most people in here already have their minds made up of a 911 conspiracy... I didn't think I would make many friends.
2- I have had several warning. Posts removed... 99.9% of the time I am provoked. Please show me a recent post where I violate the T&S.
I used to read what you post to suport "your" 911 claims that you call truth.
Now its a joke all of it, you dance around the same issues the Government this, the Government that, this is what the Government had to say, believe every word they say, the rest of you posters are wrong.
Your attitude is very rude and I noties most people in here find it offensive.
I personly find it disgusting.
Funny, you appear NOT to pay attention to my posts at all. The majority of my posts are not linked to NIST or the 911 Report. (as I noted prior)I try not to be rude...but if your post to me is rude... expect it in return.
You and I are at a stand off in this thread.
The reson is because You refuse to read anything that I have post.
And I will not read anything that you show to suport your delusions Government Conspiracies therories.
I have seen these post 100 of times in these threads You are not proveing anything new here.
No sir, I answered all of your questions. The only thing i did not respond to was the P4911 truth posts from another thread. I even offered to continue a conversation on that thread with you.
There is no stand off. YOU FAILED. You were shown where you FAILED over and over. You FAIL to even comprehend that.
I watch what you post, and I have noties you are very carefull picking your words vey carefully, walking that very fine line of almast getting kick off. I have to grant you that, and you are good.
Thank you, but I do have times where I type things that violate the rules.
BUT the only thing I do know is you are very good at pissing people off in all the 911 threads.
The TRUTH hurts huh?
When you can come off your high hores for the Government and stop spinning lies for the Government maybe we can talk
I tell you what... show me where I lied and I will leave this forum. (mistakes are not lies)
Gatekeeping is what you are doing .
This is not about you TRYING to show the truth about 911 or learning the truth.
Did i not teach you something last night?
1- FBI investigations
2- What a FDR does
3- The Debris field
Did you not force me to learn?
- Hazmat crew at Shanksville
You have bent over backwards trying to keep any of 911 truth from been reveal!
I post the information i read. Why would I keep the truth from you guys?
I am with the truth movement I do "NOT" suport the Government version of 911 Conspiracies.
You ignore is what you do. It plain and simple. Have you noticed not many truthers in here have some to back you up?
We in the truth movement find it hard to talk about anything about 911 with out you coming in here and insulting all of us!
Save you insulting remarks for some one like minded like you!
I am not insulting all of you. If you spread false accusations about me... I will stand up for myself and demand you back it up.
Take last night for instance. You were very cordial with me at the beginning. We started to have a great chat...and once you were shown mistakes...you digressed to a rude accusatory individual.
Dont was your time responding to this post ThrotYogart because I WILL NOT RESPOND!
Don't need one... but you will read this.
Ill be to busy getting the truth out about 911, and proveing the Government lied to us all.
Something you havent been able to do yet!
Oh young grasshopper.... you have much to learn.
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