80% of Americans think 9/11 was an inside job!

Originally posted by Taxi-Driver
I find these threads kind of bizzare. 9/11=inside job believers are such a small niche I cannot imagine why anyone could believe that as many as 240,000,000 Americans buy into their "special brand" of a faith-based belief system.

What i find really bizzare is how people can still believe the official media story when they have no actual reports or physcal evidence to support it.

The biggest evidence against the official story is the lack of evidence that supports it.

The 80%, is 80% of people the OP's friend brought this up to and asked.

Now I know me personally, I'm not gonna ask random people on the street, and I don't think that is what this guy did either.

He probably only asked people he knew fairly well.

AND of those people, he might have only asked those he already knew we're somewhat informed.

So a persons statement of 80% of people I "talked" to believe 9/11 was an inside job is highly subjective.

How many people did he talk with?

Did he talk only to New yorkers?

ect....

Same goes with even the biggest polls. You can't ask everyone. I know I never put in my vote for the "Zogby Poll", did you? or is the zogby poll a best guestimate algorithm, does it track forums and such, could I already be in that 4 or 5% that believe 9/11 was a False Flag attack, which we already know our government has done, and has tried to do, on numerous occasions? I guess I could be, without even knowing it? But I doubt it.

I beileve, the "Zogby poll" is another of the many tools our government uses just like the Mainstream Media. Tools that help the average person who doesnt have the time to investigate for themselves come to a conclusion. Which in the end, was planted in thier head. Because they only heard what the goverment wants them to hear.

Bottom line is I don't know how the Zogby poll works.

Same as the OP's friend's poll.

[edit on 9-7-2008 by Nola213]

"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that".
_____________________George Carlin.



I'd venture to say that 90+% of qualified educated scientists who've analyzed the facts surrounding the attacks and events of 9/11 dismiss conspiracy theories.

Originally posted by Illustronic

I'd venture to say that 90+% of qualified educated scientists who've analyzed the facts surrounding the attacks and events of 9/11 dismiss conspiracy theories.

I'd venture to say you are WAY off with that number.

Of course, I'd venture to say, you believe the official story, that's why you'd think that.

Omg here we go again, wacky blog links to support this incredible idiotic view of 9/11, 80 percent could be that he talked to ten people and hand selected the ten he wanted, thats a real scientific poll. This lunacy has to stop, are there really that many people without an education that cannot reason commons sense.. This is the site you need to be reading
debunking911.com...

show me a site that is that comprehensive about us blowing our own buildings up and I might look at it. Pls dont point me to some un-checked, non factual site, that does the he said she said bit...

Now here are the real stats, I wont quote my grandmother like the op did but Ill post Rasmussen polls "Overall, 22% of all voters believe the President knew about the attacks in advance. A slightly larger number, 29%, believe the CIA knew about the attacks in advance. White Americans are less likely than others to believe that either the President or the CIA knew about the attacks in advance. Young Americans are more likely than their elders to believe the President or the CIA knew about the attacks in advance. "
www.rasmussenreports.com... n_advance

That was a poll taken early 2007 and since then more of the final report of the towers going down has come out and less and less believe. What we have now is the fringe left loons and the Bush haters still hanging in there.

If our goverment is so inept as you think then how in hell could they cover up something so big, this is kool-aid talking guys... Hang on let me look up a rehab center for kool-aid drinkers...I think theres one near you


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[edit on 9-7-2008 by alienj]

That's a very flawed way of getting information. How did he ask the people? Did he, either inadvertently or purposly, lead them to giving a specific answer? What kind of people did he ask?


I'm afraid just saying "80% of the people he talked to" says nothing. Take commercials for example. 4/5 dentists reccomend this toothpaste, but what most people don't realize is that the advertisers just go around asking different groups of five dentists until 4/5 approve. Similarly, is it 80% of everyone he ever talked to there, or 80% of people attenting an anti-government protest?

Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
he brings it up to me telling me 80% of the the people in New York he talked to, know 9/11 was an inside job.

80% of people he talked to .... that isn't exactly scientific.
It's interesting .. but not very reliable information.
Sorry, but I think your thread title is very misleading.

We might think we know what happened that day, wether it's what we have been told, or what we've discovered for ourselves... but- why do we continue talking about it ? Is it because we hope that someone who might actually try to do something about it will hear?
A cry for help ?
Or do we like to hear ourselves 'talk' ?

Originally posted by Skelkie3
We might think we know what happened that day, wether it's what we have been told, or what we've discovered for ourselves... but- why do we continue talking about it ? Is it because we hope that someone who might actually try to do something about it will hear?
A cry for help ?
Or do we like to hear ourselves 'talk' ?

We continue to talk about it because there are too many things that happened that day that just don't add up. There are too many doors being closed, access being denied, and stories being changed.

Hopefully someday, someone from the actual inside will reveal all.

reply to post by ThroatYogurt

"Polls do not=evidence" If this is true why did you post a poll? Good job

Oh and another thing, I see that poll was taken by CBS...The ILLUMINATI network ... A TRULY reliable source for accurate information on 9/11 your on a roll pal

so a word of advice... If you dont believe polls are suitable evidence, DONT post one yourself and refer to it as evidence. That just makes you a hypocrit.

Reason # 2,000,000 why ATS is killng ATS.

Siting of b.s. polls...

"talked to people on visit".....

"they know something"......

"evil bush administration"....

blah...blah...blah....

Don't make me puke!!!

Polls are such useless data when not conducted right... That Zogby poll is of 1006 people, and numbers that low cannot correctly represent the US.
So if you turst that data, then youre ok with 1006 random people = 304,554,697 people in the US?

For those of you that think Bush had something to do with a 9/11 coverup/conspiracy - don't you think it would have been easier and more prudent to manufacture some sort of WMD "find" in the vastness of the Iraqi desert? Your giving the government too much credit. They may have had some idea that a 9/11 event may take place, BUT I don't think they even had the ABILITY to prevent it. To give them credit for planning and executing it in only the 8 months of Bush's tenure would amaze me more than the fact that they admitted Iraq was clean of WMDs.

I don't believe 80% of the entire population has even been exposed to the relevant facts.

I will say this anyone who has taken the time to do their own research comes away knowing something is VERY wrong with the official explanation.

The best possible scenario is a massive coverup of incompetence...that is the best scenario!!

The worst is that it was an "inside job".

To those of you here who cant stop talking about how "wrong" the 80% statistic is, maybe you should focus on the TRUE meaning of this thread. I believe the writer of this thread was trying to point out that IF 80% of Americans KNOW 9/11 was an inside job.. then why the hell is nobody doing ANYTHING about it? Every American Citizen who has ever found out for themselves that their government has lied to them on NUMEROUS occasions, NEEDS to ALL get together, MARCH RIGHT INTO THAT WHITE HOUSE, and FIRE EVERY person in the current admin. And NO, this is NOT "easier said than done" EVERY democratic citizen in this world has not only the RIGHT, but the ABSOLUTE authority to fire ANY ONE of their leaders at ANY time. If EVERYONE got together, put aside their differences, and decided to work TOGETHER, there is NOTHING the NWO can do to stop us. Are you really too scared to stand up to these 3 crippled old men?!





Whether 80% or 50% of Americans know that 9/11 was an inside job, the point is people are waking up; and its happening exponentially right infront of our very eyes. And also, i can clearly see the NWO plan of divide and conquer is working quite well, even here on ATS. You guys cant even stop arguing about the PERCENT of knowledgable people out there, instead of identifying your SIMILARITIES and working together. A poll is an Estimation, NO POLL is accurate... the only definition of an accurate poll, would be a poll where EVERY SINGLE person on the earth was asked the SAME question. So what exactly are you trying to accomplish by dabating about polls?

And to the writer of this thread, Good work! I understand the message you were trying to convey and im right here with ya! COME ON PEOPLE LETS WORK FOR PEACE!!

yours in the light

Um, the number of Americans with computers and Internet access isnt even 80% at this point.

The truth is that a high percentage of people that think they know it was an inside job visit polls and sites such as these and so you get higher numbers as most are believers anyways. There is a huge number that have never even considered it being an inside job.

Polls are only so much help and thats only if its a really important topic that the majority of Americans are affected by. Then you still have the margin of error which is almost always like a whopping 10% or so. Biased polls are not much help at all and really are a waste of bandwidth imo.

Im really tired of the 9/11 crap to be honest. Its never going to end though Im afraid. Those the believe will die that way even if its proven beyond a shadow of a doubt they will believe this. And to be frank, you will never be able to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt either way.

Its just too big of a conspiracy to pull off and keep quiet. Now Im not in any way saying that there are not some weird stuff mixed in with 9/11 but to say the MAN just straight up , planned and executed this is really borderline paranoid skitso.

I just want to point out:

1. The OP's thread title is wrong, it is not 80%.. check Zogby for accurate results, it isn't even close.

Even if it were true...
2. Over 85% of Americans believe in GOD in some form.

The percentages of what Americans believe fluxuates with the subject, aliens, NWO, 9/11, JFK, the color blue...

If you are to take the results of a poll and devine a truth from it, you'd have to be a complete and utter imbecile. We all know full well that many of our compadre's are less than cranially sufficient.

It's funy how peope selectively look at polls and devine truth....

Example: One poll says 85%+ believe in "God" and many atheists believe that those 85% of Americans are stupid, while many of the same atheists would turn to a 9/11 poll as a "proof" WTF?


Think on that.


And finally.. when someone posts factually incorrect poll results like the OP, why isn't ATS taking any action? They certainly love to toss "stickers" onto posts they have issues with.,. why aren't "facts" when presented asd "facts" put to the same standard?

You should be able to post opinion and conjecture all you want, but to purposefully mislead others with false info (cause we all know how many will believe the OP blindly) is really bogus.. they should be "corrected"

Originally posted by GoldenFleece
reply to post by Taxi-Driver

 

You conveniently ignore the fact that according to a two year-old Scripps-Howard poll, over a third of the nation thinks 9/11 was an inside job.

P.S. I like your skull 'n bones avatar. Almost reminds me of, uhhh, Skull and Bones.


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[edit on 9-7-2008 by GoldenFleece]

Two things ...

First - Uh, you need to go back to your own source and read it again. Here's what it says:

More than a third of the American public suspects that federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks OR took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East, according to a new Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll.

Notice the word "OR" in the first sentence. You saying a third of Americans believe the government assisted in the 9/11 attacks would be a mistake. The story is lumping the two stats together. The second stat, saying that we did nothing to stop them, is a far cry from saying that we did nothing on purpose. Did we do nothing on purpose or did we do nothing because we had never faced a situation like that before and it caught us with our pants down? The poll doesn't say and you cannot assume anything.

Second:

Zogby says 5% of America strongly agrees with that statement, that 9/11 was carried out by our government and 4% somewhat agree, which means they think they government had a hand in it but was not entirely responsible. Even if you took the the full 9% plus the +3% margin of error for 12%, that's a far cry from one-third (about 33%).

So either way, the numbers you cite are bunk.

Now, allow me to disagree with the assertion that the U.S. did nothing to stop the terrorist attacks. I would argue that people who say the U.S. govt did nothing to stop the attacks don't know the full story.

From the section on Interagency Collaboration:

The protocols did not contemplate an intercept. They assumed the fighter escort would be discreet, "vectored to a position five miles directly behind the hijacked aircraft," where it could perform its mission to monitor the aircraft's flight path.105

In sum, the protocols in place on 9/11 for the FAA and NORAD to respond to a hijacking presumed that

the hijacked aircraft would be readily identifiable and would not attempt to disappear;
there would be time to address the problem through the appropriate FAA and NORAD chains of command; and
hijacking would take the traditional form: that is, it would not be a suicide hijacking designed to convert the aircraft into a guided missile.
On the morning of 9/11, the existing protocol was unsuited in every respect for what was about to happen.

and

Military Notification and Response. Boston Center did not follow the protocol in seeking military assistance through the prescribed chain of command. In addition to notifications within the FAA, Boston Center took the initiative, at 8:34, to contact the military through the FAA's Cape Cod facility. The center also tried to contact a former alert site in Atlantic City, unaware it had been phased out. At 8:37:52, Boston Center reached NEADS. This was the first notification received by the military-at any level-that American 11 had been hijacked:115

And the MOST IMPORTANT paragraph to pay attention, in my opinion:

F-15 fighters were scrambled at 8:46 from Otis Air Force Base. But NEADS did not know where to send the alert fighter aircraft, and the officer directing the fighters pressed for more information: "I don't know where I'm scrambling these guys to. I need a direction, a destination." Because the hijackers had turned off the plane's transponder, NEADS personnel spent the next minutes searching their radar scopes for the primary radar return. American 11 struck the North Tower at 8:46. Shortly after 8:50, while NEADS personnel were still trying to locate the flight, word reached them that a plane had hit the World Trade Center.119

Radar data show the Otis fighters were airborne at 8:53. Lacking a target, they were vectored toward military-controlled airspace off the Long Island coast. To avoid New York area air traffic and uncertain about what to do, the fighters were brought down to military airspace to "hold as needed. "From 9:09 to 9:13, the Otis fighters stayed in this holding pattern.120

In summary, NEADS received notice of the hijacking nine minutes before it struck the North Tower. That nine minutes' notice before impact was the most the military would receive of any of the four hijackings.121

The last paragraph says it all. Makes a lot more sense doesn't it?

My source is: govinfo.library.unt.edu...



[edit on 9-7-2008 by sos37]

Originally posted by sos37

Originally posted by GoldenFleece
reply to post by Taxi-Driver

 

You conveniently ignore the fact that according to a two year-old Scripps-Howard poll, over a third of the nation thinks 9/11 was an inside job.

P.S. I like your skull 'n bones avatar. Almost reminds me of, uhhh, Skull and Bones.


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[edit on 9-7-2008 by GoldenFleece]

Two things ...

First - Uh, you need to go back to your own source and read it again. Here's what it says:

More than a third of the American public suspects that federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks OR took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East, according to a new Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll.

Notice the word "OR" in the first sentence. You saying a third of Americans believe the government assisted in the 9/11 attacks would be a mistake. The story is lumping the two stats together. The second stat, saying that we did nothing to stop them, is a far cry from saying that we did nothing on purpose. Did we do nothing on purpose or did we do nothing because we had never faced a situation like that before and it caught us with our pants down? The poll doesn't say and you cannot assume anything.

Your explanation is absurd. The wording is very clear: "took no action to stop them SO the United States could go to war in the Middle East." Taking no action to facilitate a specific outcome is aiding and abetting, just like the false flag terrorist "Operation Northwoods" that was planned 40 years earlier. If you'll do any research into 9/11, you'll come away with the unmistakable impression that what happened goes WAY beyond any "took no action" scenario. It was an obvious stand-down, as reported by Norm Mineta in recounting a conversation by Rumsfeld. Spending more than the rest of the world combined on "defense" buys more than a bumbling NORAD and fighter pilots who can't seem to locate hijacked jets.

There's no "they did nothing because they were caught off-guard" option. To even suggest such a thing after the many warnings that were received from other countries and multiple FBI agents is intellectually dishonest and a distortion of what actually happened.

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True Bush doesn't know what the hell his doing.. he is just a puppet, I kind o feel bad for him, His name in history will go down as the worst president ever.. All just to make his "freinds" happy and his daddy