The Definitive "Birth Certificate" Thread - Updated 8th August 2008

Originally posted by coolieno99
Obama still has to present a certified COLB to prove he is natural born.

He does not have to present it to US. Surely, he has to present it to the State Department or the Elections Commission or whomever validates a presidential candidate's qualifications. It is most likely that he has already done that. The State Department has access to ALL his records, don't forget. He's a US Senator.

No other candidate born in the US has EVER been demanded to produce his birth certificate for public scrutiny.

We cannot take his or anybody's words for it.

We have to. We took the State Department's word that Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, etc were all qualified to serve as president according to the Constitution.

Why is Obama Any Different?

The Obama campaign can very easily dispel any doubts about the authenicity of his COLB, by just scanning the back side and show the registrar's signature and seal. And even better yet, reveal his certificate number (like John McCain), so that it can be verify with Hawaii DOH.

Yes, they could. They could do a lot of things to squelch the rumors. They are, however, under no obligation to do so. People who are still thinking there's something suspicious about his birth circumstances aren't going to vote for him anyway. Why should he do it to please you? There's no gain for him. And as long as you're talking about his "fake" BC, you're not talking about the real issues. So it's really an advantage for him to have people concentrating on a red herring... something they have NO control over.

Even if you had the certificate number, the DOH in Hawaii won't tell you a thing. That information can only be accessed by the family.

FYI .. for all those interested in Obamas Birth Certificate and the happenings at that time ....

Huffington Post is reporting a quote by Michelle Obama in which she specifically says Obama's mother was 'VERY SINGLE' when Obama was born.

'VERY SINGLE' as in - NOT MARRIED.

She used very strong and clear language.

Do the Hawaiian birth certificates of that time list the marrage status of the parents at the time of birth? If so, perhaps this is what Obama is hiding and perhaps this is the reason he refuses to officially release his real original birth certificate (as John McCain has done).

Most people don't care if a person is married or not when they have children. But older folks may still care and he may fear losing votes if it gets out.

Perhaps. That's speculation.

Just FYI ....

CONFESSION OF FORGER

Yep. KOS has a confessed forger on it's hands.

IF I"m reading this correctly - The 'Certificate of Birth' from KOS is a forgery and the person who did it CONFESSED ... sort of. He says his intent wasn't 'forgery' therefore it's not a forgery.

I could be reading it wrong. But that's what it looks like. ????

Talk about muddy waters!



[edit on 7/13/2008 by FlyersFan]

Originally posted by FlyersFan
I could be reading it wrong. But that's what it looks like. ????

You are SO reading it wrong. I'm not going to bother to explain, though. Have fun figuring it out.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
FYI .. for all those interested in Obamas Birth Certificate and the happenings at that time ....

Huffington Post is reporting a quote by Michelle Obama in which she specifically says Obama's mother was 'VERY SINGLE' when Obama was born.

'VERY SINGLE' as in - NOT MARRIED.

She used very strong and clear language.

Do the Hawaiian birth certificates of that time list the marrage status of the parents at the time of birth? If so, perhaps this is what Obama is hiding and perhaps this is the reason he refuses to officially release his real original birth certificate (as John McCain has done).

Most people don't care if a person is married or not when they have children. But older folks may still care and he may fear losing votes if it gets out.

Perhaps. That's speculation.

Just FYI ....

Here's other possibilities brought up by another blogger:

I just think everybody is barking up the wrong tree. Obama’s parents weren’t married, it appears, and it is likely Obama’s real birth certificate has “unknown” or “refuse to state” where his father’s name would be. This was common back in the days when there was more of a stigma on out-of-wedlock births.

It is also likely his birth name was Dunham, not Obama, and certainly not Soetoro. If he ever legally changed his name to “Barack Obama,” it was probably much later on in his life.

This “controversy” could be resolved if Obama produced the real birth certificate, his parents’ marriage license and divorce papers, if they exist, and any adoption papers if he was adopted by his stepfather.

The problem, of course, is Obama could be covering up the fact he lied about his parents’ marriage.

susannunes @ texasdarlin.wordpress.com

This is a real mess. Couple weeks ago , on Father's Day, Obama gave a speech lecturing young Black men to be more responsible and stop producing children out-of-wedlock. And now he himself seems to be born out-of-wedlock. And couple days ago, Rev. Jesse Jackson, accuses Obama of talking down to Black people(Father's Day speech); but Rev. Jackson himself has produced a child out-of-wedlock.
The Obama campaign is turning into a 3-ring circus.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
CONFESSION OF FORGER

Yep. KOS has a confessed forger on it's hands.

IF I"m reading this correctly - The 'Certificate of Birth' from KOS is a forgery and the person who did it CONFESSED ... sort of. He says his intent wasn't 'forgery' therefore it's not a forgery.

I could be reading it wrong. But that's what it looks like. ????

Talk about muddy waters!

[edit on 7/13/2008 by FlyersFan]

I guess I'm reading this wrong too FlyersFan.. It sounds like an admission of forgery to me as well. Didn't he claim he got the certificate from the Obama campaign? I'm still looking for the post..

Also, since it's I guess it's a self-admitted fake, why isn't the Obama campaign speaking out about the matter? I thought forgery and the creation of fake identification documents was a crime?

[edit on 7/13/08 by LLoyd45]

Originally posted by LLoyd45
I guess I'm reading this wrong too FlyersFan.. It sounds like an admission of forgery to me as well.

Like I said .. muddy waters.

The guy admits forging documents but claims he's not a forger.
I dunno' ... I guess he's trying to make sure he doesn't go to jail???

Anyways .. I found it interesting.
KOs isn't an impecable source of truth, is it?

New information.....

web.israelinsider.com...

Barack Obama may be on a world tour surrounded by a fawning media, but Sunday an expert in electronic document forensics released a detailed report on the purported birth certificate -- actually a "Certification of Live Birth" or COLB -- claimed as genuine by his campaign. The expert concludes with 100% certainty that it is a crudely forged fake: "a horribly forgery," according to the analysis published on the popular right-wing Atlas Shrugs blog.

The purported birth certificate was published by the left wing Daily Kos blog on June 12 in response to unconfirmed reports that Obama was not in fact born in the United States (Canada and Kenya were suggested as the possible locations of his actual birth).

The uncertainty in this situation is troubling. Obama is running for President of the United States and we aren't even sure where he was born. The Constitution requires a natural born citizen to be President. McCain has this problem too. Just because Congress passed a resolution absolving the McCain situation, that does not override the Constitution.

For all of you out there thinking Bush will remain President, a scenario of both Obama and McCain being disqualified might be the conspiracy you are looking for.

All it would take is a Bush supporter, or a Hillary supporter to Constitutionally challenge both Obama and McCain's eligibily for President. If they are both disqualified, that would definately delay the 2008 elections.

The Obama campaign is turning into a 3-ring circus.

Only in the MSM decides to report on it, which they wont. They want this guy elected and if they have to lie, than so be it.

Some new light?

Thanks to walkinghomer for directing me to this article.

Obama was born in Hawaii. Wipe the egg off your face


My favorite part? Comes from the comments section of all places

What cracks me up about these people is that they seriously think they are going to expose some huge deal-breaker that the media has completely over-looked, as if such a "trivial" little matter has not been examined by any number of entities.

Obama has been vetted repeatedly as he ran for office. He has received security clearances that require thorough background checks.

But this gaggle of delusional pumas is suddenly going to uncover the conspiracy of conspiracies. Give me a break!

Tell TD and the other whack jobs that Occam called, and he'd like his razor.

Indeed.

Sister Maya’s Name Uncovered on Alleged Obama Birth Certificate

WHY?

texasdarlin.wordpress.com...

Forensics specialist Techdude, who has been chipping away at the Obama Birth Certificate mystery for some time, has confirmed that the name on the original Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) which was used to forge the document presented by Barack Obama as his valid Birth Certificate IS:

Maya Kassandra Soetoro.

His sister.


is this true?

noquarterusa.net...

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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
Sister Maya’s Name Uncovered on Alleged Obama Birth Certificate

WHY?

texasdarlin.wordpress.com...

Forensics specialist Techdude, who has been chipping away at the Obama Birth Certificate mystery for some time, has confirmed that the name on the original Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) which was used to forge the document presented by Barack Obama as his valid Birth Certificate IS:

Maya Kassandra Soetoro.

His sister.


is this true?

noquarterusa.net...

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If this is true, it could be a real campaign buster for Obama. Good find Stormdancer.

HI Lloyd

2 campaigns seek 'truth' about Obama's birth
Eligibility for presidency hinges on American citizenship
www.worldnetdaily.com...

Multiple requests over a period of several days by WND to the Obama campaign for a comment or explanation of the birth certificate issue did not generate any response.Multiple requests over a period of several days by WND to the Obama campaign for a comment or explanation of the birth certificate issue did not generate any response.

The Israel Insider said, "The revelation that [the birth certificate] of Obama's own sister was evidently used to create the electronic forgery represents what supporters of this analysis claim is a 'smoking gun' that appears to implicate Sen. Obama directly. Hawaii law limits access to vital records to family members only, a fact which slowed down the ability of researchers to compare the purported Obama 'birth certificate' – which displayed from the start a peculiar provenance and inexplicable features – to genuine specimens. Therefore, it would seem that either Maya K. Soetoro-Ng (as she is now called) supplied the document or its image to half-brother Barack or his campaign, or Obama/his campaign used it without her permission.

"The stakes couldn't be higher. Even the Snopes anti-rumor site acknowledges that Obama's constitutional fitness to be president depends solely on his being born in the United States, because his mother – not yet 19 at the time of his birth – would not have had a sufficient number of years as an adult citizen, according to the laws prevailing at the time, to pass on 'natural born citizenship' automatically," the report said.

"There have been reports, so far unconfirmed, that Obama was born outside the country, either in Kenya, his presumed father's native land, or in Canada. The fact that the Obama campaign has been touting as genuine a forgery since June 12 will likely increase pressure to not only account for the fake but produce a genuine paper birth certificate. Obama, in his book 'Dreams from My Father,' specifically mentioned having such a document in his possession, but it has not been submitted for public inspection or analysis if it in fact exists," the report said.

Interesting timing this trip to Hawaii

starbulletin.com...

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The fact that the Obama campaign has been touting as genuine a forgery since June 12 will likely increase pressure to not only account for the fake but produce a genuine paper birth certificate.

This alone, forget Rezko, this fact alone, producing a forgery makes me wonder, why, ?

Remember Obama won his first election by getting all the others running for office removed from the ballot by challenges to their signers and residency.

Obama played hardball in first Chicago campaign
www.cnn.com...

In his first race for office, seeking a state Senate seat on Chicago's gritty South Side in 1996, Obama effectively used election rules to eliminate his Democratic competition.As a community organizer, he had helped register thousands of voters. But when it came time to run for office, he employed Chicago rules to invalidate the voting petition signatures of three of his challengers.


The move denied each of them, including incumbent Alice Palmer, a longtime Chicago activist, a place on the ballot. It cleared the way for Obama to run unopposed on the Democratic ticket in a heavily Democrat district.

"That was Chicago politics," said John Kass, a veteran Chicago Tribune columnist. "Knock out your opposition, challenge their petitions, destroy your enemy, right? It is how Barack Obama destroyed his enemies back in 1996 that conflicts with his message today. He may have gotten his start registering thousands of voters. But in that first race, he made sure voters had just one choice."

karma?

Why is he in Hawaii?

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UPDATE

OFFICIALLY from Obama's Site -

Read here

Obama's site itself admits that Obama had duel citizenship - US/Kenya until August 4, 1982.

Anyone who says that Kenya doesn't allow duel citizenships is wrong.

This is old news, but nothing is heard from it since. In late Aug., an attorney filed lawsuit challenging Obama's eligibility to be President:

Lawsuit filed against Obama

Excuse me while I attempt to swallow my tongue in utter disgust. This is still an issue??? Please send ALL these threads down the crapper with the rest of the disinfo and lies strummed up by the Rovians. America is sick of this kind of thing all around (I don't speak for us all, but I am one!). All it does is create a divisive atmosphere....

I thought these were junked with all the other non-issue issues?

reply to post by Grafilthy


Just to stay current. The lawsuit is still pending a decision and the Obama campaign legal team is trying to get the decision delayed. NOTE: The specific legal concern stated in the lawsuit is that the legal definition of Natural Born Citizen in 1961 law stated that "The mother of a child born outside the territories of the U.S. must have lived in the U.S.A. for 10 years with 5 of those years being after the age of 14." Obama's mother was 18 when he was born, therefore could not have lived in the U.S.A. for more than 4 years after she turned 14. So that makes the issue of where Obama was born critical in terms of the law.

Whatever the motives, whether it seems silly or not, it is the law of the nation.

texasdarlin.wordpress.com...


"Berg: Grandma Confirms Kenyan Birth"

"Attorney Philip J. Berg announced Thursday that he has an audio recording of Barack Obama’s paternal grandmother confirming that Barack was born in Kenya."