Something has changed, timeline?

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Originally posted by MurderCityDevil
ok, the one thing i dont get is how can people have memories of someone dying and yet they are still alive


do you realize how freaky that would be for said person to have that memory too

and if they dont have that memory than it never happened, so why do you have memories of that happening?

i think alot of this thread is just over analyzing and now minds are playing tricks on people

granted i understand that strange things can happen and thats fine

but the whole that guy was dead and now not to me is just way too much

if timeline was changed, so would your memories

so many people would be coming forward now about this stuff on news and talk shows and not just here

im not trying to flame this thread

im just not seeing the whole dead/alive thing about it

still no answers to any of my questions

if timeline has changed so will your memories

woke up at 1:30 very paranoid but other than that everything is normal. I have to realize though if things keep shifting I could end up dead between April-May 2008. (I walked out of a high speed collision with maybe 2 bruises) The odds of me surviving that crash were very slim. Let alone surviving with out bleeding a single drop.

Hey all. Never contributed to anything on this site, but i've been reading stuff on here for ages. Anyway this particular thread (and others connected) has really caught my interest.

I've not personaly felt anything (well i have, but thats later), but my Mother of all people mentioned a couple of weeks ago that she felt "weird". She said she was experiencing massive bouts of deju vu (literally being able to say what people would say next). Also a bewildering set of coincidences that verged on the ridiculas. My Dad confirmed all of this as well.

So anyway that was a couple of weeks ago - since then this thread has popped up and i'm avidly reading along. Wake up this morning before my alarm (8.15) goes off and check my phone. It's 8.27. Even look (more of a squint) at the clock on the bookcase to check. I decide to catch another five minutes snooze time as i'm already running late. Five or so minute "pass". My alarm goes off. It's 8.15...

So there we go. I go to work, come home and as per usual most days, grab some coffee and have a little look on the web. Check Facebook / MySpace then head over to Newsarama.com for some Comic Book news (i love me some comic books). Anyhow, theres an interview with Grant Morrison on there about his DC Comics 'Final Crisis' series. I'm not a fan of the series but i do like Mr Morrison a lot so i give it a read. Seems he might be a reader of this site (either that or his Chaos Magik is proving to be a bit useful. Check out the thread on Sigil's for more info).

Check this exceprt out. He's been asked about some dead characters coming back to life in the comic and weird stuff happening as a consequence:

GM: Oh yeah. I’d imagine the DCU is starting to feel a little more like our own dear ‘Earth Prime’ around now: life on the streets and online maybe feels a bit angrier, more irritable. There’s a horrible, widespread public determination to expose, emphasise and fixate on the flaws in people’s personalities, in how they look, in what they say, or sing or think or do for a living and so on. Ordinary kids are cynical and self-harming, while whole nations are still at one another’s throats when by, all rights, they should have moved on to a global commonwealth space faring society. Cities are under siege from demented weather and frightened bureaucrats. There’s an increased paranoia and hostility, driven by media, an unmistakable, growing sense that something wrong has begun to pervade the zeitgeist. There are bad things about ourselves that we need to acknowledge and overcome if the human project is to prosper in the coming century and Final Crisis is an ambitious attempt to frame some of that serious stuff in the context of a big, daft adventure story.

But, let’s face it, weird # happens all the time in the DC Universe so everyone expects the heroes to take care of it. Nobody has realised yet just how terminal this situation is becoming - not until issue #3.

So that was one thing that made me think, huh? So then after that i have a look on Aintitcoolnews.com for some movie news (i love me some movies). One film called Watchmen (based on one of those funny books i likes) has been getting some attention. So i read a bit of an article and in the talkback/forum section someone has posted this:

"The sewers belch me up

The heavens spit me out

From ethers tragic I am born again

And now I'm with you now

Inside your world of wow

To move in desires made of deadly pretends

Till the end times begin

Is it bright where you are?

Have the people changed?

Does it make you happy you're so strange?

And in your darkest hour, I hold secret's flame

You can watch the world devoured in its pain"

Thats a snippet of the whole thing. Dont remember it from the graphic novel. Seems kind of specific to the matter at hand, eh? Kind of creeped me out a bit when i read it.

Anyway thats my input on this. Dont think i've brought much to the party but i would like to see how this pans out. Thoughts people?

reply to post by Aron1138


You do realize you posted this "April-May, 08" deadline in JULY of 08?

... exactly do even remember what this thread is about? People who were dead according to history are now alive so can't people who were alive become dead?

Negative, Mind is outside of time and is super-positioned in a quantum waveform that exists/extends throughout space-time and intersects all world-lines. Our conscious awareness is tied too a primary-world-line. Due to Mind existing outside of time it possess its own sub-set of quantum data..... think of it as a separate portable data-warehouse (in information systems architectural terms); therefore when a world-line collapses the shared-world-line history is overwritten. The "separate portable data-warehouse" contained within our individual quantum wave-form is unchanged because it is a separate and distinct database of quantum information. It is tied to the individual biolgical system across all world-lines and only accessible to the individual biolgical system where the current conscious awareness is 'attached'.

Those people who remember a different set of events are from the world-line that had a different shared-history.... i.e. they are the inhabitants of the other world-line so they have different memory-set (individually and collectively) than the minority of others (us who are experiencing the "weirdness") who remember a different world-line history.

Now the person who died on another world-line (we'll call it world-line A) would not be aware of their death in world-line A; due their not being consciously aware of world-line B while they were inhabiting world-line A. Their conscious awareness ended and they ceased to be consciously aware of their existence there in world-line A after their death. When they awake, in whatever form that takes (i.e. - a daydream, musing, physical sleep), in world-line B, that "event" would be like any other conscious thought they have had in that "other" concurrently existing world-line B.

As an example: How many times have you thought of yourself doing some activity or being involved in some "event" that seemed "real" to your mind as you were thinking it (or maybe even an unreal event). It may have been your "unconscious awareness" sending your conscious awareness "memories" from a different you in another world-line. Maybe just thinking or imagining some thing/event brings it into temporal reality on another world-line.

The multi-verse and you, as an individual, are much more complex than you realize. You'll have to "think" outside the box on this one....if you are able too.

There is no spoon,

-Euclid

P.S. - The answer to your questions are inferred in my three posts here beginning with this post: www.abovetopsecret.com...

I've explained it as simply as I can there in the previous post.

Originally posted by MurderCityDevil

Originally posted by MurderCityDevil
ok, the one thing i dont get is how can people have memories of someone dying and yet they are still alive


do you realize how freaky that would be for said person to have that memory too

and if they dont have that memory than it never happened, so why do you have memories of that happening?

i think alot of this thread is just over analyzing and now minds are playing tricks on people

granted i understand that strange things can happen and thats fine

but the whole that guy was dead and now not to me is just way too much

if timeline was changed, so would your memories

so many people would be coming forward now about this stuff on news and talk shows and not just here

im not trying to flame this thread

im just not seeing the whole dead/alive thing about it

still no answers to any of my questions

if timeline has changed so will your memories

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How's this one mess with your noodle:

What if you did die in that crash. Then your conscious awareness shifted to this world-line.

The concept to consider here is: WE DON'T DIE our conscious awareness just shifts to another you on another world-line where you are alive..... and it continues to do so until there are no more world-lines where you exist.

-Euclid

Originally posted by Aron1138

woke up at 1:30 very paranoid but other than that everything is normal. I have to realize though if things keep shifting I could end up dead between April-May 2008. (I walked out of a high speed collision with maybe 2 bruises) The odds of me surviving that crash were very slim. Let alone surviving with out bleeding a single drop.

[edit on 21-7-2008 by euclid]

Yes they could... and that person who dies will be by definition unaware of this world-line.... their conscious awareness would shift to another world-line and they would say, "GEEEEEEZ, I just had the strangest dream.... I shot my self in the head.... gosh I'm glad that was just a dream". Or, "Geez I was in high-speed car crash and its amazing that I walked away without a scratch!!!!!.... WOW!"

-Euclid

Originally posted by Aron1138
... exactly do even remember what this thread is about? People who were dead according to history are now alive so can't people who were alive become dead?

[edit on 21-7-2008 by euclid]

[edit on 21-7-2008 by euclid]

My daughter reluctantly confided in me today that she thought she was losing her mind. I assured her I would take her experience(s) seriously.

She then related to me an event that happened to her a couple of days ago. She went into Wal-Mart to pick up one thing. She got a cart and wheeled it around looking for her item. She found it and put it in her cart. She then noticed that there was a "sale" bin with toys. She has 4 children so she wheeled her cart over to the sales bin and began rummaging around for choice buys for her children. Her cart was in her peripheral vision the entire time and no one else was on the aisle with her for those 2 minutes. She reached to get a toy, turned to put it in her basket and the basket was gone. She stood there stunned and fairly alarmed because IT WAS JUST THERE! She walked around a bit in a semi-panicked daze and found her basket with the previously chosen one item in it parked where she did not leave it. She knew something bizarre had just happened but she wasn't about to ask her friendly greeter what it might be so she checked out her purchases and went home.

We talked for a while about this thread and how more people are experiencing these odd things and that, no, she is not losing her mind. I told her to hang on, enjoy the ride and try to pay attention to see if any sort of pattern emerges. I'm sorry to say she didn't find that much consolation as she wants answers that make sense (as do we all).

From the posts listed, I haven't been able to determine a pattern yet. Shared observations and "symptoms" but no rhyme or reason to any of it. Still watching, though. I don't pretend to understand half of what euclid is saying although it makes a kind of sense when I read it. It's when I try to explain what I read to someone else that I realize I have no flipping idea what's going on.

Originally posted by whitewave

From the posts listed, I haven't been able to determine a pattern yet. Shared observations and "symptoms" but no rhyme or reason to any of it. Still watching, though. I don't pretend to understand half of what euclid is saying although it makes a kind of sense when I read it. It's when I try to explain what I read to someone else that I realize I have no flipping idea what's going on.

I dont have a flippin idea whats going on either, but I'm starting to be able to control it, for the most part.

It seems to be a learning experience for me, but I have friends here and advisors near me that are guiding my fear and insecurity.

So far, besides being freaked out, everything has been for the better, even if it does not seem like that at first. Sometimes its scarry, and just plain weird. ( Like how does anyone know that but ME? and how did 'they' make that happen? )

So far I have to say that I have grown from these experiences immensely, given the time to sort them out, and after a few good tears.

For example, I only drink filtered water. Always have always will.
So take that out of the 'equation'.

Food... I used to eat like a pig at Mc Donalds, Wendys, and Braums.

For the past few days (it seems like a lot longer..), I'm involuntarily on a "fast" with nothing but water, Lemmon juice, maple syrup, and fresh vegetables, tea , gatorade some tuna and bannanas, grapes. V-8 Juice...also.

I didnt want to go on a fast, but it just happened. I could not eat from the sick feeling in my stomach. I swear Ive lost at least 12 lbs, if not 15.
All from my "muffin top". I did weigh 198 a week or so ago, now I'm down to 183 and feeling really good about it.

Thats just one example.

My head seems to be really clear most of the day, but then it slams me back sometimes also, to being confused and scared and feeling sick.

I'm totally cleaning up my act, like limiting myself to 1 cigarette every 2 hours. ( Sounds bad huh? ) I used to smoke a pack and a half a day.

I seem to be able to concentrate on things a lot better and I swear I'm making things happen for me. The trick is to not second guess yourself, and do it when you think it, not 30 seconds later.

My timing is impeccable, in business and personal affairs... to the point of being freaky. Meeting people at exactly the right time to push me along a bit further, or getting a phone call or U2u or e- mail at exactly the time I need it. They also seem to stay with me all day and night, by the way.

I have a name for it now.... a "Side Reel". Its an awareness that when something happens, I have to act immediately to gain a great amount either monetarialy, personally, or Spiritually. It seems to last about an hour, then the 'magic' seems to fade in ''material things"... but the spirit remains along with the knowledge and the lessons. Cant escape it, and I have tried.

In all honesty, its about time I got my act together, doing things that I know I should have been doing for a long time.

Now they are "beating at my door", and it seems as if I have a 'choice' to advance, or blow it all off and be couch potato and stay 'where I am' Spiritually.

Life was passing me by and now I have it by the tail it seems. I was letting it pass me by, for reasons that will make me sound conceaded, so I'm not posting them.

ANYWAY... there is a lot more, but I'm not going there now.

Its all good and positive, Light, Love and Peace... but its really not easy to nail all that down without a concentrated effort and HELP- from others HERE, and in my circle.

Maybe Euclid is right... Maybe I died in another time line and came back here.... I dont know... I'm not a big risk taker and I cant see anything killing me easily... except a car wreck or National Event. ( Maybe thats why we are all feeling it... maybe it WAS a National EVENT ?)

EDIT TO ADD: Snake BITE is a very real possibility, and being Far from a Hospital, thats about all I can come up with.

I did understand a bit of what Euclid is saying.. and I came up with a drawing to illustrate what it meant to me...

I'm a terrible artist, so I'm not posting it, but imagine an OCTOPUS with 8 arms. The arms are 'timelines', and the Head of the Octopus is my consciousness soul, Spirit, Karma, Dao. etc... Each arm is individual and can move on its own... but all are connected to the head.

I'm thinking Quantum Physics here, and on a Spiritual Level.

As for people Dying and coming back.....

Well... I have to tell you, but I'm repeating myself, I personally Know Of 2 People that Have come back. ( that I have direct contact with ) One I saw at KFC ( My sunday school teacher and Piano teacher form the early 1970's ), and My Martial Arts Instructor, who "DIED" years AGO from MS, about 100 miles east of here.

Well, She's BACK. And I'm supposed to go see her. I just cant handle it just yet. I've been personally invited by her Co Instructor. Both are extremely FAMOUS, I might add. ( Not the Piano teacher )

Another( 3rd ) was the Ghost that appeared to the boy at the business... I'm not discussing that one again...for personal reasons, but I can tell you this....

His Face ( the Ghost ) appeared to me last night in Candle wax dripping off a candle.
Plain as day, wide awake, watched it for 4 hours until it broke and fell.
Big Message there for me, that you would not "get", and its rrrrrreally personal.

Thats 3 that I can attest to, all 3 are Very personal . One was a ghost that appreared to a small boy who has "no idea" who he was, until a phone call was made.

Anyway.... I'm posting a lot of personal stuff here, and I dont care anymore. if I sound nuts. I promise you I'm really quite in control on all levels.

Whoever is going through this right now, or "will be", just remember that it really is for the GOOD... I honestly believe that now, and I cant stop it, so I have to flow with it.

There is so much more to say, but I only felt the need to convey this at this moment. It is important for someone else here. I can feel that.

"Continuing the Journey" tonight and tomorrow, with help and guidance that I am extremely Thankful for. You all know who you are, and words cannot express my humble appreciation of you ALL!

Makes me wonder where the Hell have I been ?

This is still early as well.

Blitzkreigen



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You have the right idea blitz..... the octopus analogy..... you can correlate that concept to mine and hopefully it will make a bit more sense:

Your octopus head is the wave-form.....

The octopus arms are the world-lines.....

The octopus head is the real/true "you".....

The octopus arms are the various world-lines that you exist within so that the "real you" can experience all possibilies.....

The only issue we all have is that all of these other "us'" in the other world-lines (octopus arms) should "never" be coexisting in the same world-line (octopus arm)......

-Euclid

reply to post by Blitzkreigen

Sorry whitewave, I've tried to make it as simple as I can..... it really is simple.... you just have to think outside of the box..

sometimes I forget that I've been researching this for years and that to me it is old-hat and that other people.... who have only been concerned with what their fav team or celebrity is doing haven't even heard of quantum mechanics......

I guess that's why people shouldn't watch TV.... read a book, don't play sports... learn a musical instrument...... live and think outside the box if you want to make sense of reality.

There is nothing I can say to you or your daughter..... there is an answer for what is happening; there is just no solution to solve it.

-Euclid

reply to post by whitewave

Originally posted by euclid
You have the right idea blitz..... the octopus analogy..... you can correlate that concept to mine and hopefully it will make a bit more sense:

Your octopus head is the wave-form.....

The octopus arms are the world-lines.....

The octopus head is the real/true "you".....

The octopus arms are the various world-lines that you exist within so that the "real you" can experience all possibilies.....

The only issue we all have is that all of these other "us'" in the other world-lines (octopus arms) should "never" be coexisting in the same world-line (octopus arm)......

-Euclid

reply to post by Blitzkreigen

 

I agree with you 1000% and this is how I get there..

I'm meditating a LOT these past few days.

I imagine ALL of 'myselves' Meditating at the same time, in all the time lines.

We all have the same energy focused at the same instant, and we all come together.

I think its the only way.

Being Still and quieting my mind, and focusing 'all of me's" toward the center.

I was lost in your posts before Euclid...

Its making a lot of sense now, and I have a long way to go. ( before I fully awake from my sleep )

Blitzkreigen

Edit to add... also, the TV has NOT been ON for DAYS. Computer and cell phone yes... 3 Ghz wireless 3G I do worry about.

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Originally posted by whitewave
I don't pretend to understand half of what euclid is saying although it makes a kind of sense when I read it. It's when I try to explain what I read to someone else that I realize I have no flipping idea what's going on.

whitewave, what is unclear.... it is very important that I make this information as conceptually understandable to EVERYONE so they can effectively relay the concept to others in an effort to stabablize these world-line collapses...... please help me make you understand it.

-Euclid

i check teletext (( it comes free to tv like an early form of the internet )) every morning for news headlines etc...about 3 yrs ago while reaing it i noticed the date was 20 feb 2052...every page i went to had the same date ..the next day it was back to normal..error \ blip i dont know but it always stuck in my head...


edit to add...i think time \reality is affected by large black holes that ripple time \reality ..sometimes these ripples overlap so people can be in 2 places at the same time or appear as ghosts to others...just my thoughts...

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edit to continue my theory...could the ripples be da ya vu ?..could we be remembering the event to come because we had already seen it and where rippled back in time a few minutes ?...just as easily we could be rippled forwards in time and not remember how we got to be in a certain place because the journey there was skipped by the ripple......

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Originally posted by euclid
The concept to consider here is: WE DON'T DIE our conscious awareness just shifts to another you on another world-line where you are alive..... and it continues to do so until there are no more world-lines where you exist.

-Euclid

That would explain NDEs and people who live past 100 years. Also people who commit suicide and wake up in another time line would probably freak out. I know people who have attemped suicide and should, by all rights, be dead now. I just wonder if their death occurred on another time line and they woke up on this one. Or people who survive deadly accidents. Who's to say that they are dead in one time line, yet alive in many more?

i nearly died when i was born.

I also should of been dead in a accident, where my car just kept going down the bottom of this hill airborne(but never rolled), but I always have flash backs of the car actually rolling.


So I believe in this theory its a pretty plausible aspect.

Everything seems to make sense now in what you say about the octopus. I was once told by someone that they took their gun and pointed it directly at their head and firing, But all they remember happening is that they "missed". So for centuries our consciousness has been shifting from body to body and from reality to reality (if you believe in that whole past life thing).

I am personally aware of 4 other realities(your octopus has a sh- load of arms). One of which I die in the car crash from not hitting the brake. There are skid marks but I distinctly remember not hitting the brake and then blacking out. The only problem was minus the minor memory gap of about 45 seconds I actually didn't black out and I did hit the brake.

The other possibility is that I pull my E-brake and turn right hard while stomping on the brake and my car rolls and I die. Another of which I am in the same situation I do the same thing but I turn left and don't brake as hard and I am hit by a dodge ram and killed. The final reality I turn left do the same things and me and my car both survive.

This is when your mind really starts to think "do I regret dying in the other reality?" Do I feel bad for my mourning parents and can I see my funeral? So every time we die do we just shift realities? From what I know I have to say yes, But why do we shift realities without dying? If all the realities are connected to a single consciousness then can we not actually WILL our self to shift, or have we been shifted by some unknown force to teach us the definition of our existence?

When I came out of my "black out" (which lasted 45 seconds but only 5 had elapsed) I was so disorientated I actually had to fake anger and pain.

The black out analogy is terrible let me explain it another way. I see the van, time slows down where half a second seems like 15. I swerve right but I can't go around I swerve le-, and I'm sitting in my totalled car which is now facing a different direction. It's like I died on impact and then came back. I didn't hear a sound, I didn't feel the car moving, I felt absolutely nothing.

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Hi all. Posting anon here. I started experiencing these phenomena six years ago. There have been times that it was debilitating, because reality became loose, flexible, malleable and even illogical. It was always, also, extremely personal. Sometimes it felt insulting, humiliating and degrading. Other times, empowering or glorifying. But always personal.

The multiple time-lines concept is interesting, but ultimately not correct. There is no reason to believe that we are not simultaneously experiencing this world in multiple timelines, nor is there any reason to believe that we aren't experiencing this world in multiple awarenesses. We could even say, if we liked, that we are all the same conscious, completely experiencing this world through self-division. But ultimately, all of these descriptions pale in comparison to what is truly going on.

This reality simply isn't real. It is very much "The Matrix" and what lies beyond it is indescribable. I know. I've seen it.

And so will you.

We all have work to do (on ourselves), me especially. I spend way too much time feeling sorry for myself for not being able to figure out what I should be doing in this silly monkey suit I'm wearing.