Did Moses left with the ark from Egypyt?

Hello,

The bible states that abraham did not built the ark until they were at mount Sinai. After they left Egypt and through the red sea and 40 long years of walk through the dessert.
But there are some passages in the bible that contradicts this event.
They tell of abraham opening the red sea with the ark when he opens the jordan river to get to jericho as an previous similiar action. Same as like with the pillar of cloud and pillar of fire during day or night time.

What do you believe?
Did the pharao change his mind and persuit the jews because they left with something they did not suppose to take a long? The ark?
And if so what was the ark I have a interesting suggestion what it could be.

Made mistake between moses and abraham, i mean offcourse moses

BR
PPL

[edit on 7/5/2008 by PPLwakeUP]

Abraham was in Egypt, but a lot (centuries) earlier and did not participate in the exodus. At least this is how the story goes.
Moses (exodus leader) opened the red sea without ark, but Yehoshua (leader after Moses died) used it in Jordan crossing.
So as far as the story is told - there is no mention of the ark coming from Egypt.
Is there such info in Egyptian source,i wonder?

Hello Zero,

You are right its Moses not Abraham

Anyway there is a passages in the bible that contradicts itself.
Read the passage after Yehoshua crosses the jordan river there it well tell of the same action moses did in the red sea only moses should not have had the ark at that time.
Understand thats problem.
I believe the Jews left egypt with the ARK.

www.ebible.com...

BR
PPL

Umm, I believe Abraham created the box that secured the Ark Of The Covenant, I also believe it currently lies in Djaharya due to pretty much simple deductive reasoning through a series of timelines and the caculations. After all when a king takes all the wealth of a country, don't they take The Ark?
Read on wikipedia see my post there, should be under the middle eastern section for more information.

-ghost

Moses used a staff to do his miracles, not the Ark.
The ask was a box to hold the tablets of Law.
God was to sit on the box, as a seat, to hold judgment.
So, of course, anyone near the box had to watch what they did because they could be subject to instant judgment.
So, no, would be my guess, they made it in the wilderness.
The idea of how to fashion a cherub could have come from Egypt.

Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge

Is there such info in Egyptian source,i wonder?

yes, there is another account. i believe it is in an ancient celtic/egyptian mix text that tells a similar story but more from the views of the egyptian.. i thought i had it bookmarked, but i guess not. i did the research to find it and i am sure that everyone on here is capable of finding it themselves.

it is quite interesting and sheds a new light on the story. such as moses' seemed to have been somewhat in a possessed mode and that not only did all the egyptians drown in the crossing of the red sea, but that so did some of the israelites who were lagging behind due to illness and/or old age. if i do find it, i will be sure to post it for you.

Hi

Your missing the point.
The bilble contradicts itself!
www.ebible.com... read here pls

reply to post by PPLwakeUP


there are many places in the bible where it contradicts itself. this is not new knowledge.

For the LORD your God dried up the Jordan before you until you had crossed over. The LORD your God did to the Jordan just what he had done to the Red Sea[4] when he dried it up before us until we had crossed over.24He did this so that all the peoples of the earth might know that the hand of the LORD is powerful and so that you might always fear the LORD your God.”

From your link.

The Lord dried out the water but Israel was not in possession of the ark
on both occasions.

But why fear the Lord if the Lord is helping Israel?
I don't get that.

If Israel today is the same Israel that the Lord helped so much,
why is todays Israel having so many problems?

reply to post by TeslaandLyne

If Israel today is the same Israel that the Lord helped so much,
why is todays Israel having so many problems?

Read the Book of Ezra.
When the Jews returned from Babylon, locals came to them and wanted to be included in their new nation.
They said they had been offering sacrifice to the Jewish God at the site of the destroyed temple.
The Jews did not accept them as converts because they were not of the tribes.
Israel is being run by descendants of converts, so it is really not a Jewish State, in the strict sense.

reply to post by TeslaandLyne


It is not "fear" in this case. Fear is "PAHAD" and it also appears very often. I do not know why. Not this time though.
On this instance it is "YIR'A" which is not exactly fear, a "reverence" is a better translation. As for problems - i do not know about help, no help, conditions and those things much. But problems are our middle name! Even in those times and in those tales there are problems. I do not think that being "volunteered" to build two cities in poor conditions is not defined "problem". Or Assyrians/Babylonians/other empires were not - problem.

reply to post by jmdewey60


Israel must have descendants.
I mean you get stories like the Danes are decedents of the tribe of Dan.
So a half or a quarter or no lineage is standing on Israel ground now
and ruling.

We are not in this alone.
Help from the people of God, and any direct help, is the best.
We don't want to go anywhere else.