Overthrowing the United States Government

[edit on 8-7-2008 by o22a6ar]

This is the computer age. If we've got hours to waste on paranoid websites and youtube and porn and other such ilk, then why not register, read the bills before the congress and senate, and let people vote on them directly. Representative democracy doesn't work when the reps end up being crooked and get influenced by big money and the military-industrial complex (of which Eisenhower told us to beware). The only other option is to go on a nationwide work strike, stop the tax money flow and grind Washington to a halt to make them remember who they really work for. If you stop feeding a monster, it dies of starvation. Heck, the way gas is going we won't be able to afford to go to work anyway, and the Elite are already using the banks to put the "Petty Burgouis" (as they like to call private property owners in the US) out of their homes and property anyway.

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I posted a similar message on another board and was immediately banned! If Ron Paul is right and we preemtively nuke Iran there will be serious trouble! I find the ignorant private hatred of our govt. representatives and many supportive institutions at the very limits of sociopathy. They in no way represent me or my interests. I'm curious to see what they do to the protesters at the conventions this year. In my heart of hearts after years of examination of thousands of details I now believe that there is a Satanic core element dispersed throughtout our controling corporate and governmental structure. It saddens me to my very depth that these monsters are running the show and have devised one evil scheme after another!

I completely understand the frustration you guys having in the US, a place I loved and I use to travel to twice a year, only stopped after 911, as I can't stand the way I got treated at immigration for not being a US citizen. Now also knowing that it is actually worst off being a US citizen.......

I was living in the west for the past 37 years, 26 years in London. I've moved to Hong Kong a couple of years ago, only then boy! that I realise the freedom of life in general have been eroded or eaten away a little bit at a time. IMO, there are far more freedom in this region, this includes China. At least the government seem care for its people, and at least the policies held at present, so as long it doesn't disrupted the peace of the general masses.

I only hope that will rather get negative with frustration is think positively and if enough people staying positive, something will get changed in time. I do think the US and most of the governments in this world gets to control it's people the way they wanted......

freedom is the right to yell theater at a crowed fire

So you want to Usurp the Government? Fine... then do something 70 percent of America fails regulary to do- Be active in it and vote more than just a few times in your lifetime. Actually be apart of your community rather than just residing in it.
Remember when some of us had to sit through Civics class..recite the pledge, actually read the Constitution and the Decleration of Independence, and actually learn what it takes to be good citizen and contributing member of your community? If not then you don't really know what its like to be a "citizen" of anything. [unless of course you actually served in the military... I wish them Godspeed and safety in what ever they do]
This is the Revolution that America needs. America needs her soul to actually give a damn, to be motivated for causing real change, move beyond talk, teach what it means to be an American and then walk that walk.
When you talk of the failure of the Government- you talk about the collective failure of its People to do what was constitionally mandated of that people- To be an participant in its governance.. going beyond paying taxes, whining about special interest groups.... and ending at being compassionate about the actual less fortunate, voicing their concerns, either by vote or petition, demanding to be educated and informed; and, finally, to be personally accountable for thier own actions.
This IS the america that the world misses- and it's demise started with the American Populace not the puppets they willfully ignored into power.
Like it or not We as a people willfully and negiglently allowed our power to be taken away, our soul to be chained- and it didnt take Bush and Cheney to do it all.. it's been going on way way longer than that.
"The Rugged, self sustaining, cowboy of yesterday rode into the sunset; waved off by the Corporate Yes man of Today"

Sometimes Its hard to see the answer even when it's staring you in the face.
I see all the time the bumper sticker " Of all the things I fear.. I fear my government the most". All I can say to that is: if you Fear your government then your already paralyzed and not that big of a threat to it. It's already won, and all without firing a single shot in anger.
"people should NOT fear thier government... The government should fear Its people" -Thomas Jefferson.

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A general strike might work. Even 10 per cent of people in certain critical areas could bring the US to a halt.

Do ur homework. This government was set up by the haves. Origanally the only people allowed to vote was property owners. The have nots just happen to get some of the benefits.

Originally posted by MahNameABorat
Just a question to all who read this:

What government action would prompt you to consider a violent overthrow of the government? Not saying you should, just wondering. It's a question I often ask myself.

(True story, the DHS has been to my house!)

They try to take our guns and we have the major problem - IMHO!!! That is when I will stand and say 'Not from my hands'!! And, I will be prepared to use them!!

FYI they are already taking guns. Ask the Katrina residents. Ask the Iowa Residents. Your guns are subject to confiscation upon any declared emergency.

Originally posted by o22a6ar
I am a little disappointed. On this website, I thought there would be an extensive amount of people willing to, at least, grace us with some input. I guess everyone would rather complain than to take some initiative.

[edit on 4-7-2008 by o22a6ar]

Hey now, that's the American way! Or at least, we've degraded to that point. Most people think freedom means lots of channels on their HDTV, a job that can pay for the gas in their SUV, and some spare cash left over for McDonalds!

This is essentially level 1 insurgency based on some US army docs I read lately, I expect any of you who have agreed with this are now on the watchlist.

I get a real kick out of those that scream about our loss of freedoms. They write about how they have lost all of these things, but they never give any real examples.

Just what rights have you lost?

The right to pray in school? No, you can still do that, but the government can not impose their version of a prayer on everyone.

The right to keep and bear arms? The Supreme Court just upheld that right. BUt, no you can;t own your own howitzer; your own machine gun, etc. But then again, why would you want them, unless you are up to no good?

You have freedom of speech (unlike in our neighbor to the north), you have the freedom to move anywhere you want (including to leave this country at any time), the freedom to make millions of dollars, and the freedom to fail.

Just because YOU don't like the way things are does not mean that this is true of the majority of people. If they really want to change things, they can, by throwing out the people that have been elected to office.

So tell us folks, just exactly what rights have you had taken from you?

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Does that include the people who would intend to go about it peacefully?

I imagine so, but do you know for sure?

Found this in today's headlines on Yahoo. Doesn't seem to be just a vocal minority within this site.

The percentage of voters who give Congress good or excellent ratings has fallen to single digits for the first time in Rasmussen Reports tracking history. This month, just 9% say Congress is doing a good or excellent job. Most voters (52%) say Congress is doing a poor job, which ties the record high in that dubious category

full story...

I would never give any of these rascals a good or excellent rating for over the last 25 years. At the very best, as a group, they were just functional. Individually, money and tenure speaks volumes.

Term limits looks good for judges, to some people. We should explore term limits at every electable Federal official.

Originally posted by Anti-Tyrant
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Does that include the people who would intend to go about it peacefully?

I imagine so, but do you know for sure?

Yes, Level 1 is essentially the 'peaceful' type insurgency, more a political thing, than violence, it looks like it would be combatted with psyop rather than force.

[edit on 9-7-2008 by bobafett]

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I'd call that oppressive, wouldn't you?

Talk about an attack on free speech.

Originally posted by Anti-Tyrant
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I'd call that oppressive, wouldn't you?

Talk about an attack on free speech.

Well, i think it's one of those things, you may not be actually breaking any laws until someone does violence, but in the 'interests of the country' you will heavily watched and subverted.

American's can't even lose a basketball game without rioting, burning cars and stabbing people. How in the world would we be able to over throw an incompetent government?

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It's not a question of how, solarskye, but why.

One must always remember why it is nessecary, and that remembrance will give him the drive to try every single thing he can think of.

That includes the insane method, which involves attacking symbols of the current establishment's power.