What Muslims DON'T Tell You

O and i forgot to mention, Muslims believe more in Mohammad which had 4 wives. Which violates the Koran. Jesus, lived a sinless life. He was the only one that lived just how the Bible tells us to live. Jesus never sinned or had wives. So would u rather follow a religion where Jesus lived perfect, or a religion where Mohammad sinned against his own word?

One more thing:

Judas Iscariot is not the Saviour of Christians!

Islam vs. Christianity:

"Islam is a religion in which God requires you to send your son to die for him."

"Christianity is a faith in which God sent his Son to die for you."

"This point is of special concern to Christians, since the Qur'an denies the bare fact of the death of Jesus on the cross, and Muslims still consider that this denial outweighs the contrary testimony of historical tradition." (Muhammad: Prophet and Statesman, W. Montgomery Watt, 1961, p229-235)

"they did not slay him, neither crucified him, only a likeness of that was shown to them" (Qur'an 4:156)

See also: 32 reasons why the Gospel of Barnabas is a 16th century forgery.

Muslims teach that Judas, not Jesus, was crucified on the cross, in a case of mistaken identity. Muslims teach that Judas Iscariot, the betrayer and thief, is the real saviour of Christians. Muslims teach that it was actually Judas who actually died on the cross and because Judas had a similar physical appearance to Jesus even his own mother didn't recognize him as the wept at the foot of the cross. For 600 years Christians had been preaching Christ crucified. Then Muhammad comes along, jumps off his camel and gets a direct revelation from God that the universal record of history and the 10,000 manuscripts of the Bible, are all wrong. The idea that Judas was crucified instead of Christ, is so outrageous, no educated person would consider it. Even atheists, modernists and Bible haters who reject the resurrection of Christ consider Muhammad’s story of the cross nothing other than a myth and contrary to the undisputed facts of history.

"John Subhan had been a Sufi Muslim preparing for the priesthood. In school, it was common to hear his instructors attack Christianity. But one day while Subhan was walking home from class, he noticed a scrap of paper tossed by the wind across his path. It turned out to be a page from Matthew's Gospel, describing the crucifixion and death of Christ. "My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?" He read the words over and over again. Now this astonished Subhan. He had been taught that Jesus Christ had not really been crucified but that Christ's likeness had fallen on Judas. It was Judas who had hung on that cross, not Jesus. Christ had ascended to Heaven before the crucifixion." (More to be Desired than Gold, True Stories Told by Christy Wilson, pp. 20-21, 1992)







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Click here for a full discussion about how the Gospel of Barnabas is a 16th century forgery.

Documentation section:

Muslims, quote atheists, modernists and Bible haters like Winwond Reade and Arthur Weigall, to trash all of Christianity. Yet amazingly, although Weigall does trash all of Christianity and even rejects the doctrine of Christ's blood atonement as a pagan doctrine, he does believe that the crucifixion was an historic fact... Just not for the same reasons that Christian's believe he was crucified.

* This leaves no doubt at all in our minds regarding the sources of all Christian doctrine: "Christianity had conquered paganism, and paganism had corrupted Christianity. The legends which belonged to Osiris and Apollo had been applied to the life of Jesus. The single Deity of the Jews had been exchanged for the Trinity which the Egyptians had invented and which Plato had idealized into a philosophic system, [and which had existed in Brahminism, too]. The man who had said "Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God' had now himself been made a god or the third part of one." (, Philosopher and historian, The Martyrdom of Man, p 183-84, quoted by Ulfat 'Aziz as-Samed, Peshaver University, Muslim, "A Comparative Study of Christianity and Islam", The Source of Christian Creeds, 1976, Pakistan, Quoted by Muslims)

Cont.

Yet both Read and Weigall believe the crucifixion of Christ to be an historical fact:

* Read where Weigall talks about the crucifixion of Jesus as Jewish human sacrifice in his book, The Paganism in Our Christianity, Arthur Weigall, 1928, p69,76)
* "At Jerusalem Jesus completely failed" (Winwond Reade, Philosopher and historian, The Martyrdom of Man, p 182-84)

Muslims Reject the Trinity and the Deity of Christ:

* "O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles.
* Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs." (Koran, Surah 4:171, Women, actually quoted by JW's) "Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah is the third (person) of the three; and there is no god but the one God, and if they desist not from what they say, a painful chastisement shall befall those among them who disbelieve." Koran, Sura 5:73, food)

Muslims reject ANY pre-existence of Jesus:

* The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was. (Koran, Surah 3:59, never quoted by JW's who reject the Koran when it states Jesus had no pre-existence)

Muslims reject the concept of Sonship of Christ:

* "And they say: The Beneficent God has taken (to Himself) a son. Certainly you have made an abominable assertion The heavens may almost be rent thereat, and the earth cleave asunder, and the mountains fall down in pieces, That they ascribe a son to the Beneficent God. And it is not worthy of the Beneficent God that He should take (to Himself) a son. There is no one in the heavens and the earth but will come to the Beneficent God as a servant. Certainly He has a comprehensive knowledge of them and He has numbered them a (comprehensive) numbering. And every one of them will come to Him on the day of resurrection alone. (Koran, Surah 19:88-95, never quoted by JW's or Arians)
* "Regarding Sonship of Jesus: That is Jesus, son of Mary, in word of truth, concerning which they are doubting. It is not for God to take a son unto Him. Glory be to Him! When He decrees a thing, He but says to it " Be" , and it is. (Qur'an 19:34,35) And they say, 'The All-merciful has taken unto Himself a son.' You have indeed advanced something hideous. The heavens are well nigh rent of it and the earth split asunder, and the mountains well nigh fall down crashing for that they have attributed to the All-Merciful a son; and it behoves not the All-Merciful to take a son. None is there in the heavens and earth but he comes to the All-Merciful as a servant. (Qur'an 19:88-93) Truly the likeness of Jesus, in God's sight, is as Adam's likeness; He created him of dust, then said He unto him, " Be" , and he was. (Qur'an 3:59) People of the Book, go not beyond the bounds in your religion, and say not as to God but the Truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was only the Messenger of God, and His Word that He committed to Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in God and His Messengers, and say not, 'Three', Refrain, better is it for you. God is only One God. Glory be to Him - that He should have a son! To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and in the earth, God suffices for a guardian." (Qur'an 4:171) (The Institute of Islamic Information and Education)

Cont.

Muslims Reject that Jesus died and His resurrection:

* That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;-
* but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. (Qur’an 4:157, never quoted by Jehovah’s Witnesses or Arians who quote other Koranic passages to trash the trinity) "Regarding Crucifixion of Jesus: And for their unbelief, and their uttering against Mary a mighty calumny, and for their saying, 'We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, the Messenger of God'...yet
they did not slay him, neither crucified him, only a likeness of that was shown to them. Those who are at variance concerning him surely are in doubt regarding him, they have no knowledge of him, except the following of surmise; and they did not slay him of certainty... no indeed; God raised him up to Him; God is Almighty, All-Wise. There is not one of the people of the Book [Bible] but will assuredly believe in him before his death, and on the Resurrection Day [at the end of time] he will be a witness against them." (Qur'an 4:156-159, never quoted by Jehovah’s Witnesses or Arians who quote other Koranic passages to trash the trinity)

Muslims believe the faked, Gospel of Barnabas that Judas was crucified being mistaken for Jesus and that Jesus lived to old age:

Click here for a full discussion about how the Gospel of Barnabas is a 16th century forgery.

"Accordingly they led Judas to Herod, who of a long time had desired that Jesus should go to his house. ... Now when Judas had been led thither, Herod asked him of many things, to which Judas gave answers not to the purpose, denying that he was Jesus. ... Then Herod mocked him, with all his court, and caused him to be clad in white as the fools are clad, and sent him back to Pilate ... Thereupon, in mockery they clad him [Judas] in an old purple garment, saying: 'It is fitting to our new king to clothe him and crown him': so they gathered thorns and made a crown, like those of gold and precious stones which kings wear on their heads. And this crown of thorns they placed upon Judas' head, putting in his hand a reed for sceptre, and they made him sit in a high place. And the soldiers came before him, bowing down in mockery, saluting him as King of the Jews. And they held out their hands to receive gifts, such as new kings are accustomed to give ; and receiving nothing they smote Judas, saying: 'Now, how art thou crowned, foolish king, if thou wilt not pay thy soldiers and servants?' ... Verily I say that the voice, the face, and the person of Judas were so like to Jesus, that his disciples and believers entirely believed that be was Jesus ... Jesus replied, embracing his mother: 'Believe me, mother, for verily I say to thee that I have not been dead at all ; for God hath reserved me till near the end of the world.' ... And though I have been innocent in the world, since men have called me "God," and "Son of God," God, in order that I be not mocked of the demons on the day of judgement, hath willed that I be mocked of men in this world by the death of Judas, making all men to believe that I died upon the cross. And this mocking shall continue until the advent of Muhammad, the messenger of God, who, when he shall come, shall reveal this deception to those who believe in God's law. ... And he reproved many who believed him to have died and risen again, saying: 'Do ye then hold me and God for liars? for God hath granted to me to live almost unto the end of the world, even as I said unto you. Verily I say unto you, I died not, but Judas the traitor. Beware, for Satan will make every effort to deceive you. ... Then before their eyes the four angels carried him up into heaven." (The Crucifixion Of Jesus According To The Gospel of Barnabas)

Link to external source: Islam vs Christanity

Originally posted by Rook1545
If you read these in comparison with some of the laws from around the same time in any other country you will see there is not much difference. The "Holy Land" was pretty much always governed by Temple law (especially after the Romans left).

As for women's rights...what civilization actually gave gave women equal rights to men? Nobody until the 20th century, so why is this an issue with just Muslims, it should be an issue with the entire human civilization.

So Muslim's are to kill the non-believers? Kind of like the Christians did, and still do? For clarification, the "non-believers" are those that do not believe in Allah, not Mohamed. That means that Jews and Christians are not considered non-believers.

Now I know I am going to get jumped on for defending this, but that is fine. I am sure I can use the Bible and history to show that Jews and Christians are no better.

I think the whole point is that the world has progressed (though lately it seems to be regressing and this must be halted) and no longer lives with barbaric ancient customs. Sharia law is very ancient and inhumane. All religions need a face lift, to replace the blood-thirsty patriarchal God they made in their own image with a better concept.

The problem with "Muslim law" is that it is still stuck in the 16th century.

Laws can only be enforced by the will of the people.
That alone says a lot.

What a useless thread. Stop blaming others and just concentrate on your own s h i t. Sick and tired of Christians that are trying to prove their innocence at the expense of others. The righteous Christians and the evil Muslims... Yeah rite. Heard it all before... Also stop pretending to be the saviors of this world. All you hypocritical religious lot trying to brainwash and shove your dogmatic beliefs through others throats. Am I going to hell now? LMAO save my soul...

PS. This one is for all you religious zealots. nl.youtube.com... RIP Bill!!

[edit on 5-7-2008 by hitman666]

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Hey furiousracer!

Are you saying that getting married is a sin? Anyhow, I hope you understand that I'm somewhat unable to take you seriously when you obviously haven't researched both sides of the story. Hope you don't take that as an insult, so here is what I mean:

* No muslim claims that Judas is the saviour.

* The Gospel of Barnabas is irrelevant to Islam. Whether it is a forgery or not makes no difference to Islam, and only strengthens the muslim assertion that the current Bible has been corrupted.

* Nobody said that Judas had a similar appearance to Jesus. It was said that "it was made to appear".

* The story of this 'John Subhan' is absurd, because muslims already know Jesus's prayer: “Yaa Ilaahi, Yaa Ilaahi, Lima Sabaqtanee?”. In fact, if Jesus really DID die on the cross after asking God why he had been forsaken, then the sacrifice is hardly valid, considering that he didn't want to do it.

* Not sure of the relevance of repeatedly stating that neither arians of JW quote the Quran, but muslims believe that all people 'pre-existed' (in spirit).

* Muslims believe that Jesus was taken up to heaven, and will come down again in the last days.

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Furiousracer,

You're right, Muslims don't believe that Jesus is the son of God. Guess what? Jesus doesn't also, and it was not part of his true teachings. Your premise that no one goes to heaven if they don't believe in Jesus is truthful but that has no connection with believing that Jesus is the son of God, and Muslims not going to heaven.

Can you provide the verse and chapter in the Bible supporting these claims?

I will give you also verse and chapter from the Holy Quran and in the next post from the True Gospel of Jesus supporting our beliefs. Jesus' name was mentioned 25 times in the Holy Quran, I'm going to list down most of them that is pertinent to our discussion.

3:42 And when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah hath chosen thee and made thee pure, and hath preferred thee above (all) the women of creation.

3:43 O Mary! Be obedient to thy Lord, prostrate thyself and bow with those who bow (in worship).

3:44 This is of the tidings of things hidden. We reveal it unto thee (Muhammad). Thou wast not present with them when they threw their pens (to know) which of them should be the guardian of Mary, nor wast thou present with them when they quarreled (thereupon).

3:45 (And remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from Him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto Allah).

3:46 He will speak unto mankind in his cradle and in his manhood, and he is of the righteous.

3:47 She said: My Lord! How can I have a child when no mortal hath touched me? He said: So (it will be). Allah createth what He will. if He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is.

3:48 And He will teach him the Scripture and wisdom, and the Torah and the Gospel.

3:49 And will make him a messenger unto the children of Israel, (saying): Lo! I come unto you with a sign from your Lord. Lo! I fashion for you out of clay the likeness of a bird, and I breathe into it and it is a bird, by Allah's leave. I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I raise the dead, by Allah's leave. And I announce unto you what ye eat and what ye store up in your houses. Lo! herein verily is a portent for you, if ye are believers.

3:50 And (I come) confirming that which was before me of the Torah, and to make lawful some of that which was forbidden unto you. I come unto you with a sign from your Lord, so keep your duty to Allah and obey me.

4:171 O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not "Three". Cease! (it is) better for you! Allah is only One God. Far is it removed from His transcendent majesty that he should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender.

3:59 Lo! the likeness of Jesus with Allah is as the likeness of Adam. He created him of dust, then He said unto him: Be! and he is.

5:46 And We caused Jesus, son of Mary, to follow in their footsteps, confirming that which was (revealed) before him, and We bestowed on him the Gospel wherein is guidance and a light, confirming that which was (revealed) before it in the Torah a guidance and an admonition unto those who ward off (evil).

5:110 When Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary! Remember My favor unto thee and unto thy mother; how I strengthened thee with the holy Spirit, so that thou spakest unto mankind in the cradle as in maturity; and how I taught thee the Scripture and Wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and how thou didst shape of clay as it were the likeness of a bird by My permission, and didst blow upon it and it was a bird by My permission, and thou didst heal him who was born blind and the leper by My permission; and how thou didst raise the dead, by My permission and how I restrained the Children of Israel from (harming) thee when thou camest unto them with clear proofs, and those of them who disbelieved exclaimed: This is naught else than mere magic;

5:116 And when Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary! Didst thou say unto mankind: Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah? he saith: Be glorified! It was not mine to utter that to which I had no right. If I used to say it, then Thou knewest it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy mind. Lo! Thou, only Thou art the Knower of Things Hidden.

33:7 And when We exacted a covenant from the Prophets, and from thee (O Muhammad) and from Noah and Abraham and Moses and Jesus son of Mary. We took from them a solemn covenant;

42:13 He hath ordained for you that religion which He commended unto Noah, and that which We inspire in thee (Muhammad), and that which We commended unto Abraham and Moses and Jesus, saying: Establish the religion, and be not divided therein. Dreadful for the idolaters is that unto which thou callest them. Allah chooseth for Himself whom He will, and guideth unto Himself him who turneth (toward Him).

43:63 When Jesus came with clear proofs (of Allah's sovereignty), he said: I have come unto you with wisdom, and to make plain some of that concerning which ye differ. So keep your duty to Allah, and obey me.

57:27 Then We caused Our messengers to follow in their footsteps; and We caused Jesus, son of Mary, to follow, and gave him the Gospel, and placed compassion and mercy in the hearts of those who followed him. But monasticism they invented. We ordained it not for them. Only seeking Allah's pleasure, and they observed it not with right observance. So We give those of them who believe their reward, but many of them are evil-livers.

61:6 And when Jesus son of Mary said: O Children of Israel! Lo! I am the messenger of Allah unto you, confirming that which was (revealed) before me in the Torah, and bringing good tidings of a messenger who cometh after me, whose name is Muhammad (the Praised one). Yet when he hath come unto them with clear proofs, they say: This is mere magic.

19:34 Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth concerning which they doubt.

reply to post by furiousracer313


Furiousracer,

Jesus in his Gospel written by the disciple Barnabas has rightly said that
" Whoever will not believe in the TRUTH for their salvation will believe in the LIE for their damnation".

Jesus did not die on the cross, that is the TRUTH, God said so, is your witness better than God's perhaps? As a Christian, and a true lover of Jesus shouldn't you be happy that Jesus did not die on the cross like some thief or criminal? Is God not able to save His messengers and will let evil triumph over good?

Tell me, the Priests and Pharisees and all the disbelievers who wanted to see Jesus die on the cross, were they thinking at this time that Jesus death will be their salvation? That Jesus' death on the cross will atone for their sins? I don't think so, they wanted to crucify Jesus because they reject his teachings and do not want to be converted from their evil way of life.

3:54 And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers.

3:55 (And remember) when Allah said: O Jesus! Lo! I am gathering thee and causing thee to ascend unto Me, and am cleansing thee of those who disbelieve and am setting those who follow thee above those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then unto Me ye will (all) return, and I shall judge between you as to that wherein ye used to differ.

3:56 As for those who disbelieve I shall chastise them with a heavy chastisement in the world and the Hereafter; and they will have no helpers.

3:58 This (which) We recite unto thee is a revelation and a wise reminder. -

3:59 Lo! the likeness of Jesus with Allah is as the likeness of Adam. He created him of dust, then He said unto him: Be! and he is.

3:60 (This is) the truth from thy Lord (O Muhammad), so be not thou of those who waver.

God has issued this CHALLENGE to the Christians and Jews living in the time of the Prophet Muhammad, who like YOU, does not want to believe that Jesus did not die on the cross. I challenge you, likewise, if you still persist in believing the LIE.

3:61 And whoso disputeth with thee concerning him, after the knowledge which hath come unto thee, say (unto him): Come! We will summon our sons and your sons, and our women and your women, and ourselves and yourselves, then we will pray humbly (to our Lord) and (solemnly) invoke the curse of Allah upon those who lie.

Jesus' dying on the cross for the salvation of the people is the LIE, and if you still want to believe it after the proof has been made clear to you is your own choice.

At this time, while the Virgin Mary, mother of Jesus, was standing in prayer, the angel Gabriel visited her and narrated to her the persecution of her son, saying: "Fear not, Mary, for God will protect him from the world." Mary, weeping, departed from Nazareth, and came to Jerusalem to the house of Mary Salome, her sister, seeking her son.

The Gospel of Jesus written by Barnabas is more trustworthy than the existing Bible today. It was considered Canonical Gospel until the year 325 when all existing copies were destroyed and death imposed on people who will be caught in possession of the Gospel. If you're thinking that it was a forgery by Muslims you are mistaken considering that this Gospel has been preached as early as 100 AD and was quoted as reference by Christian writers such as Iraneus. The name of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) has been mentioned in the Gospel 600 years before Islam. And a Syrian monk by name of Buhayra who was in possession of old manuscripts testified that indeed the Prophet Muhammad is prophecied in the Scriptures, a Prophet coming from Arabia.

Jesus has especially commissioned his disciple Barnabas to write about his teachings (Gospel), predicting that all his teachings will be contaminated by Satan and only the coming of the Prophet Muhammad will bring to light the truth about his supposed infamous death on the cross. A prophecy which came true. The Holy Quran testified of the truthfulness of Jesus, that he never claimed to be God or son of God, as was testified by his true Gospel.

And a passage in the Bible endorsed the belief in the disciple Barnabas when his testimony comes.

Colossians 4:10 (New King James Version)

10 Aristarchus my fellow prisoner greets you, with Mark the cousin of Barnabas (about whom you received instructions: if he comes to you, welcome him).

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I pray for all the Christians who truly love Jesus to open their heart to this wonderful gift, the True Gospel of Jesus. Read it for yourself and ask God to guide you and protect you from Satan the rejected one while reading it.

THIS IS JESUS' PRAYER FOR YOU, if you are his true followers, you will recognize his teachings and know them for truth.

Then lifting up his hands to the Lord, he prayed, saying: 'Lord our God, God of Abraham, God of Ishmael, and Isaac, God of our fathers, have mercy upon them that you have given me, and save them from the world. I say not, take them from the world, because it is necessary that they shall bear witness against them that shall corrupt my gospel. But I pray you to keep them from evil, that on the day of your judgment they may come with me to bear witness against the world and against the House of Israel that has corrupted your testament.

Lord God, mighty and jealous, that take vengeance upon idolatry against the sons of idolatrous fathers even to the fourth generation, do you curse eternally every one that shall corrupt my gospel that you gave me, when they write that I am your son. For I, clay and dust, am servant of your servants, and never have I thought myself to be your good servant; for I cannot give you aught in return for that which you have given me, for all things are yours.

Lord God, the merciful, that shows mercy to a thousand generations upon them that fear you, have mercy upon them which believe my words that you have given me. For even as you are true God, so your word which I have spoken is true; for it is yours, seeing I have ever spoken as one that reads, who cannot read save that which is written in the book that he reads: even so have I spoken that which you have given me.


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Jesus showed you the straight path to God, follow it and you will find true peace.

3:51 Lo! Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is a straight path.

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If You take the time to read these passages from the Holy Quran, you will know that it is the TRUTH from God the Almighty.

Jesus never claimed that he is God or son of God, the Gospel that he preached which was written by his disciple Barnabas was a witness of this. Barnabas was a trusted disciple of Jesus, who lived and walked with him during his prophetic ministry and has more right to be believed than the apostle Paul, who came after Jesus and whose only testimony was a vision of Jesus which talked to him, yet the New Testament comprises 60% of his writings and the true disciples' testimony were corrupted and falsely inserted with the son of God teachings, by the workings of Satan.

Praise be to God and the Holy Quran Jesus and his disciples were found to be true, preaching the true worship of ONE GOD as the only path to salvation.

The Holy Quran is the key to understanding all of the Holy Scriptures, and the guardian and custodian of all of God's revelations. God called the Holy Quran, the guarded tablet, no lies can come from above it or from behind it and protected from all outcast devils because they cannot touch it. The Prophet Muhammad and his followers are ordered to believe all the Scriptures and all the messengers, but with the reminder that the Holy Quran will be the standard wherewith they should judge if the previously revealed scriptures have been tampered or not. The Gospel of Jesus written by his disciple Barnabas is the only written testimony that is in harmony with the Holy Quran with regards to Jesus' teachings. The account of the birth of Jesus as recounted by the disciple Barnabas vary from the teachings of the Holy Quran, and Muslims does not believe in this story because it does not agree with the Holy Quran. According to the Gospel itself, Jesus commissioned Barnabas to write only about his ministry and teachings not the account of his birth. The real account of Jesus' birth can be found in the Holy Quran.

My message to those who are seeking for the truth is to read the Gospel of Jesus, written by Barnabas his disciple, with an open mind. Use your heart, and mind and soul, and ask for God's guidance, for Our Lord God is ever merciful to us, his humble servants.

Peace!

Originally posted by babloyi
reply to post by furiousracer313

 

Hey furiousracer!

Are you saying that getting married is a sin?


* The story of this 'John Subhan' is absurd, because muslims already know Jesus's prayer: “Yaa Ilaahi, Yaa Ilaahi, Lima Sabaqtanee?”. In fact, if Jesus really DID die on the cross after asking God why he had been forsaken, then the sacrifice is hardly valid, considering that he didn't want to do it.

No i am not saying Marriage is a sin. I just came across this site, so i posted it. I'll have to ask my dad about it, because he use to be a Muslim.

And you seem to be confused. Jesus is God. And he knew he would die on the cross, and did it willingly to save you, me, and everyone. But some people just don't seem to care about it.

reply to post by queenofangels_17



Ok, did u know Allah is the Moon God? Here read this, it has the Bible verses and everything you need to know.

The Decived

Allah

Jesus and Muslims

Is the Qur'an the word of God?

Attack on the Bible

Those are the links that will help you out...

Originally posted by queenofangels_17
reply to post by furiousracer313

 

Jesus did not die on the cross, that is the TRUTH, God said so, is your witness better than God's perhaps? As a Christian, and a true lover of Jesus shouldn't you be happy that Jesus did not die on the cross like some thief or criminal? Is God not able to save His messengers and will let evil triumph over good?

What? Like a criminal? He died for our SINS. Mohammad did not live a perfect life, Jesus, DID. Just check out the stuff i sent ya on my previous comment...

[edit on 7/5/2008 by furiousracer313]

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LOL not the best source for info about islam.

reply to post by _Phoenix_


Whats not the best source?? O i get it, just because its a Christian web site its not right. Ok, i provided another one at the top. Maybe u should read what the source says before u judge.

In my experience, Muslims are good people, generally speaking, despite the bad rap they are getting from the extremists these days.

I notice that this is the second thread you have created where you pick a religion, plagiarize some crank website, and pass it off as your own material. I suppose Judaism is next, or Catholicism? Maybe the Hindus or Buddhists have it coming, too? I'm not sure what this thread proves except that the OP doesn't like organized religion, and likes to copy other websites without researching their claims.

I'll let those more educated on Islam discuss the above claims, since this time you attacked the religion of my friends, rather than my own religion.

If you're going to criticize other religions, I suggest you do it in a more civil and respectful manner, as well as follow the ATS T&C, which GAOTU has already inserted into the first two posts. Apparently you didn't read it the last time.

I'm glad queenofangels and babloyi took the time to reply to this thread. I don't recall seeing queen's name before, but babloyi has a lot of knowledge about Islam. Not sure if he is one or not, but he's definitely familiar with it.

Originally posted by furiousracer313
And you seem to be confused. Jesus is God. And he knew he would die on the cross, and did it willingly to save you, me, and everyone. But some people just don't seem to care about it.

If Jesus was God, and knew his job was meant to be to sacrifice himself from Mankind, why did he ask God "Why have you forsaken me"? If Jesus's entire purpose on earth was to sacrifice himself to wash away the sins of mankind, why did he pray, and pray, and beg and beg (till he sweated blood) for "the cup to be passed by him"? Why would the jews be allowed to be so convinced of Jesus's falsehood, that they were able to put him to death (Deut 18:20)?

And you believe Allah is the moon god? You know how many times that claim has been debated and discredited here on ATS? The whole idea of some christians obsessions with (what they should know are) imaginary gods- Baal, Semiramis(?), Ishtaar, etc. is somewhat disturbing. Like the chick tract you posted that went into great detail about Semiramis, and Nimrod, and the other one about the moon god.

And where you posted this:
Jesus and Muslims, I gotta say, I'm not convinced. Jesus claimed to be the Son of God, therefore he is God? The title 'Son of God' is way too vague in the bible to be something so exact. Israel was the son of God. David was also (a begotten) son of God. According to Jesus, all who preach the message of God are 'gods'.


"Is the Qur'an the word of God?" also has faulty logic. It claims that muslims believe in the authenticity of the Quran because of the authenticity of the Hadith. Never heard of this claim from a muslim before. Muslims know for a FACT that many hadith were fabricated, many are weak, and untrustworthy.

And if all of "Attack on the Bible" is true, that means that there is no supernatural protection on the Bible, which means there is no way to make sure of it's authenticity or not.

PS: Sorry for twisting around a topic about Islam into a topic about Christianity, but since you posted those links, I felt I should reply to them.

PPS: About the Gospel of Barnabas, while it may have been the true Gospel at one point in time, it definitely is not anymore, even from a muslim viewpoint. Among other things, it allows the drinking of wine, and claims that Muhammad would be/was the Messiah, both of which are not accepted by Muslims. Oh, and also, thanks for the vote of confidence, DragonsDemesne!

[edit on 6-7-2008 by babloyi]

Originally posted by babloyi

Originally posted by furiousracer313
And you seem to be confused. Jesus is God. And he knew he would die on the cross, and did it willingly to save you, me, and everyone. But some people just don't seem to care about it.

If Jesus was God, and knew his job was meant to be to sacrifice himself from Mankind, why did he ask God "Why have you forsaken me"?

And you believe Allah is the moon god? You know how many times that claim has been debated and discredited here on ATS? The whole idea of some christians obsessions with (what they should know are) imaginary gods- Baal, Semiramis(?), Ishtaar, etc. is somewhat disturbing. Like the chick tract you posted that went into great detail about Semiramis, and Nimrod, and the other one about the moon god.

And where you posted this:
Jesus and Muslims, I gotta say, I'm not convinced. Jesus claimed to be the Son of God, therefore he is God? The title 'Son of God' is way too vague in the bible to be something so exact. Israel was the son of God. David was also (a begotten) son of God. According to Jesus, all who preach the message of God are 'gods'.


"Is the Qur'an the word of God?" also has faulty logic. It claims that muslims believe in the authenticity of the Quran because of the authenticity of the Hadith. Never heard of this claim from a muslim before. Muslims know for a FACT that many hadith were fabricated, many are weak, and untrustworthy.

And if all of "Attack on the Bible" is true, that means that there is no supernatural protection on the Bible, which means there is no way to make sure of it's authenticity or not.

PS: Sorry for twisting around a topic about Islam into a topic about Christianity, but since you posted those links, I felt I should reply to them.

PPS: About the Gospel of Barnabas, while it may have been the true Gospel at one point in time, it definitely is not anymore, even from a muslim viewpoint. Among other things, it allows the drinking of wine, and claims that Muhammad would be/was the Messiah, both of which are not accepted by Muslims. Oh, and also, thanks for the vote of confidence, DragonsDemesne!

[edit on 6-7-2008 by babloyi]

Ok ,get this through ur head. Have u seen a statue of Allah? He has the Crescent Moon on his chest. Which is his symbol of being the moon God.


What he actually said was,"My God My God!Why have you forsaken me?"This is a quotation from Psalm 22:1 which is a detailed prophecy of the crucifixion of Jesus.At the point Jesus spoke these words he bore the sins of the whole world in his body.God cannot have personal contact with sin so he had to turn away from Jesus while he paid the penalty for our sins. Jesus was both undiminished deity and perfect humanity. But it was the physical body which was the sacrifice for sin. He understood at the end when he said "It is finished."

Jesus proved he was the Son of God by fulfilling all the prophesies in the Old Testament that were about him. Healing the blond, raising the dead. Rose from the dead after 3 days.. He was the only one to do this. Yet u still argue. You have no argument there because it is in the Bible. And you can see if u read the tract on the Bible, that it is protected by God. It has been attacked, but is still protected.

[edit on 7/6/2008 by furiousracer313]

[edit on 7/6/2008 by furiousracer313]

reply to post by furiousracer313

Originally posted by furiousracer313
Ok ,get this through ur head. Have u seen a statue of Allah? He has the Crescent Moon on his chest. Which is his symbol of being the moon God.

There is no statue of God. That would be idolatry. And it would be impossible. There is no such thing as a moon god. That is imaginary.


Psalms 22 is a song. Or a prayer for someone in sorrow or despair. Attributed to David. How is Jesus quoting from this a detailed prophesy of Jesus's crucifixion? To go along further in the same psalm:
* "In you our fathers put their trust" (did Jesus have any fathers?)
* "From my mother's womb you have been my God" (I thought Jesus existed before that? And how can God be God's God?)
* And where are these bulls of Bashan(?), and dogs and lions in the Jesus story?

Originally posted by furiousracer313
At the point Jesus spoke these words he bore the sins of the whole world in his body.God cannot have personal contact with sin so he had to turn away from Jesus while he paid the penalty for our sins. Jesus was both undiminished deity and perfect humanity. But it was the physical body which was the sacrifice for sin.

So then Jesus was not God at this point? Who was the body that was saying all these things? And more importantly, where in the Bible is this explanation that you give me? Or was that man's addition to God's word?