Animated Child Pornography - Allow It Or Ban It?

Ban it and execute the producers.
We don't need any more nefarious miscreants in this world.
Allowing it is the same as condoning it.

Originally posted by maybereal11
There is a strong case to be made that such pornography does not "satiate" the misplaced "lust" but rather re-inforces it.

Personal belief is far from a "strong case". So far not one actual paper supporting this myth has been shown.

Most serial killers are found to have progressed via fantasy reinforcing and and in some ways in their mind legitimizing their urges.

Sure. But they would have found ways to do that anyway. As someone sais further up, Jack the Ripper predated hardcore porn.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
It should not be ALLOWED at all!!! By allowing it, they allow the sickos to get their fix, and that SHOULD NOT HAPPEN

!! If someone has even animated child porn, they should be strung up and killed

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I suppose all the kids playing violent video games are going to become mass murderers, too.
If someone can get there "fix" in a way that does not hurt anyone, would that not be a good thing?
Kids who, back in the day, could take out their hostile feelings by old style contact sports, have to stay indoors and do it on video games.
People who back in the day had normal interactions with kids, could now, at least be able to live it out with some cartoons.
I guess murdering people is the right answer, to some people.
Too much to ask to allow people to satisfy themselves, alone, at home.
I hope none of the people here, calling out for blood, are judges.
Amazingly foolish, to me.
The cases that I know about in Florida, where kids were murdered, had nothing to do with pornography.
I guess everyone who smokes marijuana is going to end up as heroin addicts, too, according to your logic.
How about all the people driving cars, the need for speed that takes over as soon as you get moving?
You just can not take your foot off the gas pedal until you are going 120 mph.
Things do not work the way you imagine it.

[edit on 29-6-2008 by jmdewey60]

reply to post by OhZone
Producers? Illustrators you mean.

You to sir makes me think of certain muslim extremists.

Computer generated images might be a good tool to help reduce the suffering on either side. Also, a thought came to my mind that maybe there could be some subliminal messages to help de-program the minds of pedophiles from ever coming back to view such online smut (real or animated). I’d like to see if there is any long term study to prove otherwise also.

reply to post by pikypiky
Thats an interesting thought.

I think subliminal advertising has been pretty much debunked. Some sort of aversive therapy perhaps?

How about executing the producers of the film and their illustrators?

There is no justifiable excuse for this sort of thing.

I'll bet all those arguing in favor are men who regularily watch porn themselves.
Porn of any kind is demeaning to the whole human race.

Edit to add:
Subliminal advertising is not only alive and well but is being used more than ever. They have gotten very clever at it. Do the research.

[edit on 29-6-2008 by OhZone]

reply to post by OhZone
Oh you are so clever!! Such well thought trough arguments.

Sure I watch porn, never known a lad that didn't.

Not what were talking about here though. Please stay on topic.

Edit to ad: I happen to work in advertising, and you're full of crap.

[edit on 29/6/08 by gekko]

Originally posted by gekko

The bloodthirstiness of the moralists here makes me sick!

I'll agree with you on this point, although i find it rather inspiring if you can ignore the hostility it generates, all too often a person's remark or reasoning is stained by hot-tempered arguments from both sides.

I agree that imposing tougher sentences on the criminals and censoring elements of the industry is not the way to go.

Hell, i'd be in favour of doing away with live-action pornography provided people decide to lay off on the hentai crap-fest, and i do happen to think that a few people here are approaching the subject in a calm and rational manner.

The problem, however, is in itself irrational.

We already have problems which attribute to many of the problems people have highlighted here, such as sexual offenders and pedophiles.

Is it hard to see how one might find it reasonable to consider that outside influences are having a negative effect on the populace in some way?

Originally posted by Anti-Tyrant
I'll agree with you on this point, although i find it rather inspiring if you can ignore the hostility it generates, all too often a person's remark or reasoning is stained by hot-tempered arguments from both sides.

Thanks, I'll try.

I just get worked up because I honestly believe allowing this sort of crap would save some children from exploitation. When people are talking about banning it because they dislike it, I think they condemn a child somewhere to be needlessly abused. Well, the blood is on their hands, but I do find it hard to keep my head cool in those circumstances.

reply to post by gekko


Perhaps i have been approaching the argument in a illogical fashion.

You speak of the benefits that this "art", if you would call it that, can bring to society - that people can find it within themselves to suppress their 'habitual' thoughts when nessecary.

No doubt people can.

Unfortunately, i can't shake this idea that i must've picked up from somewhere that makes me think that this "art" and the other types of "art" also allow people to revel in their devolved obssessions.

It would seem that we are simply looking at a coin from either side, so to speak.

Perhaps we're both right, and pornography leads to both positive and negative effects.

Somewhat chaotically, i might add.

reply to post by gekko


I am just now looking up 'aversion therapy' and a bunch of other thoughts came to my mind. I was thinking about how prisoners could be utilized as random samples in a study on the effectiveness of this 'aversion therapy'. But I don't know about torture from electric shock. Maybe this is the only way to make sure those who end up being released from prison from sexually deviant acts won't pursue their 'bad', habitual behavior from re-occurring later on. I dunno. It's worth a try for the benefit of society.

[edit on 2008-6-29 by pikypiky]

Well let me say I am indifferent to child sex offenders and there crimes I have to be to do the job I do. Threw the years I find my self becoming jaded because of the work I do as a us army prison guard. I mean we sit around and discuss where we draw the line and say to these people wow your sick and mine is 13 yes folks I only feel anything about what these people do before the age of 13 does that make me sick most likely. Plus we joke about it to deal with the people god but at what cost?

Now with that said, this type of porn should not be legal however you should not go to jail for it ether you should fine the person and force them to register. My 2 cents

reply to post by pikypiky


Have you ever seen the movie, The Clockwork Orange?
Aversion Therapy is not a long term solution.
This case north of where I live, in Florida, this sicko kept a ten year old, for like eight days, in a single wide trailer with his sister and three other people living there.
How could they not have known she was there?
The authorities (prosecutor) decided not to question them after they dug the girl's body out of the yard.
I think the problem is with law enforcement, and not the cops necessarily, but the judges and government attorneys, who let repeat offenders (he was,and was allowed to live next door to his victim) run wild over the population.

Originally posted by jmdewey60

I think the problem is with law enforcement, and not the cops necessarily, but the judges and government attorneys, who let repeat offenders (he was,and was allowed to live next door to his victim) run wild over the population.

Well, what do you suggest they do about it?

You can't up and ask someone to do something if you don't have some ideas of your own.

We've already talked about censoring it, so can you think of another way the police could go about dealing with these repeat offenders other than stalking them wherever they go?

I ask because i figured no police force in the world has the manpower to do that kind of thing.

CCTV don't work either, but we thought it might've done something at least.

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


You are naive to think pedophiles are going to stop at animated child porn or even listening to a pedaphile. Did you know the recidivism rate of pedphiles that have undergone treatment is like 80 percent return to abuse another child. After animated porn comes real porn come the child.... I tend to wonder why you even brought this conversation up. Anything that could lead to harming the most vunerable among us should not be allowed. Children in my eyes is a national treasure we should do everything in out power to protect. My advise to you is to never believe the criminal....he is always innocent.

reply to post by Anti-Tyrant
I don't call it art. I suppose it could be, but as I haven't seen any I don't really know.

It might be as you say that it works both ways, but I have not once heard of serious research confirming the old "porn leads to more extreme porn" myth.

WARNING EXPLIT CONTENT:

From my own experience; I can easily use drawn erotic graphic novels to "relieve" myself and keep women off my mind, so I presume it would be the same for paedos with drawings of kids.

reply to post by pikypiky and post by jmdewey60


I thought of Clockwork to, but it might work without being that extreme. I have no idea.

Originally posted by OhZone
Ban it and execute the producers.
We don't need any more nefarious miscreants in this world.
Allowing it is the same as condoning it.

So people should ban and execute producers of all violent movies showing people dying, children dying, people getting raped, evil, nuclear wars, etc etc etc??

Everybody has a form of entertainment, MOST people don't mind watching violence and murders for entertainment as long as it is not real, where do you draw the line and say people should die for this??

Originally posted by alienj
reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984

 

You are naive to think pedophiles are going to stop at animated child porn

Well that depends on wether they are good or bad. Being a pedophile is simply the fact that they are attracted to preteen humans, from that fact alone we can assume 99% of pedophiles do not go out and "abuse" children, because of course most know it's wrong, and would never hurt a child.

There is a difference from fantasy and reality. I'm pretty sure most videogamers fantasise about killing when playing games, but they would never do it in real life and if they did they would probably throw up, haha.

Thinking logically, that is how it is. Pedophile/fantasies and a child molester are two totally different things.



[edit on 29-6-2008 by _Phoenix_]

Originally posted by alienj
You are naive to think pedophiles are going to stop at animated child porn or even listening to a pedaphile. Did you know the recidivism rate of pedphiles that have undergone treatment is like 80 percent return to abuse another child. After animated porn comes real porn come the child....

Your statistic is about reoffense. Clearly, someone who has already offended lacks the moral barriers keeping them from (re)offending and should be locked up for good.

This discussion is about those who has not offended and those who (perhaps, with help) never will.

Please provide a link showing that even one offender did it because he had seen porn earlier. I suggest he would have, porn or no porn.

If you care about kids half as much as you like to think you do, you need to look at what will benefit the kids. Not what will cushion your feelings.