Animated Child Pornography - Allow It Or Ban It?

Can't remember if i posted on this thread,but imo it should be allowed.There is no victim in the scenario of a person watching this sort of stuff,hence its completely legal no matter if it may be distasteful to me or anyone else.If people disgaree with this and think it should be banned they are not for justice and freedom imo.

[edit on 28-5-2009 by Solomons]

Some of you take the concept of freedom to far.

This material, and other material like it (porn in general, extreme violence in films etc). IS NOT HEALTHY, whether or not you personally can handle it is neither here nor there, ideally no one should be viewing any of it, the desensitization and subtle brain washing it causes is not good for a society as large as our own.

They provoke images and ideas which you should not have going around in your head, now sure a quick 5 mins of attention to it wont do you any lasting damage, but what about the guy that spends hours a day fantasizing about rape or murder, you think that guy is doing themselves any favors, just because they have yet to go out and in-act on their fantasies, hell no they are not, they need to find ways to overcome these dark desires, not find a way to satisfy them.

And your right i think having sex with a 5 year old is disgusting, and I think imaging having sex with a 5 year old is disgusting, these people may well have problems, but saying its not their fault just let them get on with it in a safe environment IS NOT the solution.

Tried to find the post in this megathread that menioned the case of Christopher Handley but after 20 minutes of looking, I'm damned if I can find it....

Anyway, here is a link to a PDF of the 18 page indictment of the court case.
It's United States of America Vs Christopher Handley and includes all the arguments that referenced cartoons, and animated child porn...

Its on this site under the 18 page indictment hyperlink....

bentcorner.com...


[edit on 28-5-2009 by Flighty]

reply to post by gYvMessanger


Show me the victim....thats right there is none.What people seem to forget these days is it doesn't matter if we think it is disgusting.The law has not been broken,there is no victim.Its as harmless as watching bob the builder if you strip away everything else.

Originally posted by gYvMessanger
Some of you take the concept of freedom to far.

This material, and other material like it (porn in general, extreme violence in films etc). IS NOT HEALTHY, whether or not you personally can handle it is neither here nor there, ideally no one should be viewing any of it, the desensitization and subtle brain washing it causes is not good for a society as large as our own.

Forgive me but that's absolute nonsense. I know people heavy into the S&M scene. Some of the things they tell me about would no doubt give you a heart attack lol. However they are the nicest people who would never hurt anyone. So watching this stuff obviously hasn't damaged them. I would say anyone who gets obsessed with it and turns violent was going to be violent anyway.

Originally posted by gYvMessanger
They provoke images and ideas which you should not have going around in your head, now sure a quick 5 mins of attention to it wont do you any lasting damage, but what about the guy that spends hours a day fantasizing about rape or murder, you think that guy is doing themselves any favors, just because they have yet to go out and in-act on their fantasies, hell no they are not, they need to find ways to overcome these dark desires, not find a way to satisfy them.

Someone who spends hours a day fantasising about rape and murder is probably going to go out and rape and murder without any pornography. They cannot overcome these desires, hence why they do bad things. You're being far to utopian in how you view the situation, thinking everyone can change and alter their mindsets to the positive. It's like saying a gay person can genuinely become straight, or a straight person can turn gay by watching lots of gay porn. It's just silly.

Originally posted by gYvMessanger
And your right i think having sex with a 5 year old is disgusting, and I think imaging having sex with a 5 year old is disgusting, these people may well have problems, but saying its not their fault just let them get on with it in a safe environment IS NOT the solution.

Erm who said we should let them get on with having sex with children? I don't think anyone in the thread has said that. As for thinking about it, well as long as they never act upon it then we cannot prosecute them. That would be thought crime. The animated images do not involve real children and so again i ask why they're illegal.

It seems people are confusing laws with what they personally see as wrong. If we start down that road i can think of a ton of things i find disgusting that could be made illegal.

Ok let me make myself clear.

I think the cultivation of negative desires such as rape, child molestation etc should not be legal.

I understand for some people it acts as a release, I also understand for others it merely causes the fire of desire to rise, with that in mind I would prefer both parties found a better, more healthy way of releasing those desires, as opposed to channeling them through the act, whether imaginary or not.

I do not care if you think these an impediment on your illusionary idea of freedoms.

Gays can choose not to act on their desires, Im not saying they should have to, I am not attempting to suggest they have the same problem as Child Molesters.

Equally people who are attracted to children can choose not to act on their desires, they certainly should not be choosing to cultivate them, and I certainly do not think they should have the freedom to do so.

[edit on 28-5-2009 by gYvMessanger]

The "cultivation of negative desires" could apply to numerous things.Again your letting your view on the material cloud the fact that there is no child involved here.How on earth can you say it should be illegal when it is nothing but drawings? Im really trying to understand where your coming from but i can't...trigger happy banning based on personal feelings and not rationality and common sense is a bad road to go down..

[edit on 28-5-2009 by Solomons]

I have tried to explain my rationale to you, as far as I'm concerned its a form of mental poison, and one which has a high likely hood of backfiring on communities which allow it.

If you went to a psychiatrist and said "Doctor I need help I keep fantasizing about having sexual intercourse with a young girl and I'm worried that I may act out on these impulses", do you honestly think that doctors should say you should turn to animated porn as a form of release ? Well possibly in that situation it would be acceptable to be honest as PART of a framework attempting to resolve the persons problem.

However certainly allowing unregulated access to any kind of filthy snuff, whether its real, cgi, animated or who knows what, is a bad road to go down.

Humans have very dark desires, that doesn't mean its ok to give in to them.

reply to post by gYvMessanger


Sorry but you have your head in the clouds. Trying to stop them having the thoughts is like trying to stop your average guy having thoughts about adult women or gay people having thoughts about adults of the same sex. You cannot stop your mind going after a very old desire which is deep routed in your genes, that being sexual attraction.

Paedophiles of course have had their mental sexual development retarded and so instead of adults their sexual drive is focused on children. You cannot stop someone thinking of this stuff and if you believe you can then you are sadly never going to grasp this topic. Because to think like you do shows you are truly ignorant of any psychology.

reply to post by gYvMessanger


Again like i have already said.This has absolutely NOTHING to do with your view of the material.I think most of us would be in agreement that its not something we would like to see,but that is not the point.The point is what i have already repeated three times now,there is NO victim.No victim No crime.How on earth can people argue with that? its just common sense...

reply to post by gYvMessanger


Every study that I have looked at concerning pornography of any kind refutes your statement; Satisfying lusts with Pornography reduces sexual offense in society, it does not increase it.

Your problem, like so many people, is that you want the world to be pristine... or at least white washed so that you never, ever have to imagine the dark recesses of the natural human mind could possibly exists somewhere in the plastic-edged safety-scissors of your preferred reality.

Human beings are not good. They are not evil. There is no such thing. People are just people. People are flawed, people have darkness within them just as much as they have light. People are not perfect, and people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

You aren't sin free, there's no reason you should be allowed to decide how other sinners live their lives. If anything should be illegal, it should be the damn moral legislators trying to pressage their cotton candy, rainbows and ponies point of view on the rest of us.

I read the article concerning the Anime/Manga conviction that took place. The lawyer should be hung for crimes against Freedom, cowardice and TREASON... for he was complicit as was the jury who convicted him, self-righteous and self-absorbed in their self-clean bubbles of smug superiority.

And all moralists of every stripe should be considered Traitors and terrorists to the American way of life, because they want to make America into a nation of uniformity, where the majority rapes the rights of the minority and punishes them with life on federal sanctioned watch-lists and criminal drug-use charges.

Just like the Rapelay topic in another thread, soon they will want Rape removed from media and people who consume that media prosecuted as rapists with the intent to rape.... because INTENT is the new crime. You don't have to even be guilty of something, you just have to be thinking of doing it.

If there was ever something that I would ever start shooting people over, THIS IS IT. The Death of free speech, the violation by barb-wire sex toy of the different and outcast.

COMIC BOOKS PEOPLE. When comes the day when you cannot discuss or defend Pedophiles or people of Fetishes? The Furries? When comes the day when you cannot speak, or blasphemy is called and you are hauled before a Magistrate of the good Lord and relegated to Monster?

Let us start now. Let us begin the sewing of Scarlet Letters upon the breast of every violator of Church Law! Or let us brand their flesh with hot iron upon their face that all might know of how hated by God they are!

I shake as I write this, not in fear, but in anger. Anger at the Moral Absolutists. Anger at people who presume themselves better than any of their fellow men.

We are all filth, and none of you are cleaner than any other... HOW DARE YOU.

HOW DARE ANY OF YOU.

Originally posted by TheColdDragon
reply to post by gYvMessanger

 

Every study that I have looked at concerning pornography of any kind refutes your statement; Satisfying lusts with Pornography reduces sexual offense in society, it does not increase it.

Oh actually some people may want to look up some studies that compared increased internet access with reduced rates of sexual assault. It is thought that the increased access to pron helped men relieve their tension as it were.

True it might prevent the real child abuse from happening, but at the end of the day are we helping pedophiles overcome their compulsions by entertaining them with animated child porn?

on the other hand i have never heard of a pedophile being sucessfully rehabilitated.

reply to post by Okiminletsdoit!


Yes, and whats wrong with that exactly? it may not stop all paedophiles commiting acts against REAL children,but if *animated* you know drawn child pornogrpahy atleast stops a few it would be worth it.If you think animated child pornogrpahy should be banned you might aswell ban anything that is drawn.

Originally posted by Okiminletsdoit!
True it might prevent the real child abuse from happening, but at the end of the day are we helping pedophiles overcome their compulsions by entertaining them with animated child porn?

I bolded that aprt of your statement. I don't like the idea of them getting this stuff but if it stops the abuse of one real child................you get the point.

Originally posted by Okiminletsdoit!
on the other hand i have never heard of a pedophile being sucessfully rehabilitated.

They cannot be rehabilitated, at least not with any known science. We are not talking about rehabilitation though, we're talking about the paedophiles who have never actually abused a child themselves but watch all of the real porn out there. Firstly watching it contributes to the abuse of that child, secondly without the porn they may resort to abuse out of their hormones driving them nuts and not having a release. So maybe this animated stuff can fill that gap.

What really sickens me is this debate made 18 pages. To those who support this,words cannot convey my angst so I wont even try.
Without a doubt molestation is one of the most horrific under enforced crimes upon humanity that can be imagined,second only to murder.
I dont want to discuss it. Its irreprehensiple behavior by sadistic twisted demented people. There is a line and child pornography of any sort crosses it,its simply not acceptable in any form.
This is the one area that I would kill over without any remorse,child molesters should be executed immediatly and I'll pull the switch.

Am I clear on my position?
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[edit on 5/28/09 by nickoli]

How about we allow it?

After that, just arrest any depraved individual sick enough to want to buy it.

- Lee

reply to post by nickoli


Except there is no child in this scenario so your position is based on a falsehood from the get go...

reply to post by Solomons


Yes there is even in animation.Just the act of bringing this subject up subjectively opens too many doors,says it may be permissable to some,somebody somewhere must agree with my thoughts.
This position cannot be argued from high moral standards.Its beyond the pale in lack of morals.

[edit on 5/28/09 by nickoli]