The Underground Empire

reply to post by jkrog08


So where is the entrance to these caverns? and why can't a well geared and experienced open minded caving group do an expedition into these hundreds of miles of caverns?

the location of the entrance would be important to back up their claims, with descriptions heavily detailed of the beings that supposedly exist in these caverns along with their personalities (are they hostile/friendly or neutral?) it would also be required for a caving group to go down

This is a great thread I wonder if there are any openings around my parts but I guess I will be out of luck on that :/

I hope to one day join an expedition that is venturing down into one of those caves ...Just imagine the thing You can see down there .

Of course if you stumbled across to much evidence you would probably never get back up to the surface but I think i would risk it .

heh its ironic , we spend all that money on all the space expeditions but we somehow avoid the explore the caves and oceans around our own planet .

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Well I really do not know if I would want to go unless I had a large team and extensive media coverage. Many people who explore these vast networks never return. Although it is enticing and would be paradigm shattering to say the least, regardless if you already believe or not, to ACTUALLY see this stuff FOR REAL would be like WOW, WHAT THE...?

[edit on 7/4/2009 by jkrog08]

WOW,lol this thread KEEPS GOING.......... This is good though, thought I would bump this again since it seems people are still taking interest in it. LOL, I remember when this thread had 30 flags! Now it has 55,lol...

Recent Earthquakes and newly discovered Faultline near Searcy, AR. I started a thread on the Earthquakes, but inevitably the underground labyrinth came up and I remembered this thread! Took a while to search it out, but here is your bump!


Here is the link to the recent Earthquake thread. Unheard of activity in unheard of location, and University Scientist now thinks a 5000 year old faultline could produce a 7+ earthquake. Or the aliens are moving their stuff around down there.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I just had to bring this wonderful and enlightened thread back up for those who may have missed first time around. These are the majestic types of people, authors and threads which keep me coming back to ATS.

Enjoy.

[edit on 3-8-2010 by antar]

Originally posted by jkrog08
The information was in the form of a letter which we quote here: "I spent the weekend with a 'recent' Edwards AFB workman and his wife -- 'recent' because they are both repeat contactees and have become 'unmanageable' as the AFB management puts it. He was fired for blasting a Spybee with spray paint -- which I find funny and as classic as the graffiti on New York subway cars. "'You did it on purpose,' they told him, and they knew of course, because the Spybees are telepathic (i.e. capable of 'tuning in' to Extremely Low Frequency or 'ELF' electro-encephalographic neuro-brain waves? - Branton) as well as camera equipt.

Saw this today which could be related:

www.dailymail.co.uk...

Scientists have discovered a circuit in our brain that lets us predict when someone is about to lie to us.
Humans have the ability to imagine what others are thinking and learn from their social habits - giving them clues as to when something is amiss.
The findings could also help explain why some people become paranoid.

Brain scans have shown that there is a part of the human brain that is able to judge when someone is about to lie
Scientists from Oxford University scanned volunteers' brains while they chose one to two boxes to win points.
The participants were sent advice on which box to choose from a second player who was sometimes dishonest.
When the volunteers suspected they were being lied to, activity levels in the dorsomedial prefrontal cortex (DPFC), an area near the front of the brain, rose dramatically.
If a volunteer thought the player was telling the truth the brain activity remained low.
If their suspicions were proved wrong, the brain activity changed, suggesting the volunteers needed to rethink their opinion of the second player.
The activity was predicting how trustworthy the advice would be, then reacting to the results of that prediction.
Failures of this system could explain why those with schizophrenia are often paranoid.
Research team leader Matthew Rushworth, of Oxford University, said: 'We are trying to find a specific circuit of the brain that performs social learning.
His work was presented at a Cell Press Lablinks conference in London earlier this month.
Chris Frith, of University College London, who was not involved in the research, said: 'People with schizophrenia show false prediction errors which leads them to think their predictions are wrong. This leads to distrust and paranoia.'
Matthew Rushworth is mapping the circuit of the brain he has discovered using an MRI scan which tracks the movement of water through the brain.
A so-called 'theory of mind' is what lets us gauge how other people might be reacting or feeling and then helps them make decisions based on that information.
Scientists believe that people with some forms of autism, particularly Aspergers' Syndrome may be missing this inbuilt 'theory of mind'.

The purpose of this post is the adding of credence to the story.

Any race that monitors and controlls "emotions" are degenerative, that is, they disagree with thier natural evolutionary design. Furthermore, they have a "biological machine" view of consciousness, that is, they do not have a link to the consciousness that created matter in the first place.

Originally posted by SystemResistor
Any race that monitors and controlls "emotions" are degenerative, that is, they disagree with thier natural evolutionary design. Furthermore, they have a "biological machine" view of consciousness, that is, they do not have a link to the consciousness that created matter in the first place.

edit on 22-12-2010 by SystemResistor because: (no reason given)

That would be you and I, as well.

Almost all of human interaction is subterfuge. It is the constant struggle of our animal selves vs. our intellectual selves. And to keep us from seeming like the raving lunatics with a precocious grip on reality that we are, we instead prop up an ego which to protect. Thus, we will concoct and weave to support and boost this ego.

But we have little in the way of tangible evidence of this higher consciousness that you refer to. I believe in a universal consciousness, but it is nothing like the new age concept.

I saw this thread get revived yesterday. It was haunting. When I saw it pop up again today I had to pop in and see what was going on.

Merry Christmas, JKrog.

This mans story for those who do not know of him shares his tale with numerous similarities to the ones shared by th OP. His name is Phil Schneider this is his story...

"To give you an overview of basically what I am, I started off and went through engineering school. Half of my school was in that field, and I built up a reputation for being a geological engineer, as well as a structural engineer with both military and aerospace applications. I have helped build two main bases in the United States that have some significance as far as what is called the New World Order. The first base is the one at Dulce, New Mexico. I was involved in 1979 in a fire fight with alien humanoids, and I was one of the survivors. I'm probably the only talking survivor you will ever hear. Two other survivors are under close guard. I am the only one left that knows the detailed files of the entire operation. Sixty-six Secret Service agents, FBI, Black Berets and the like, died in that fight. I was there."Number one: part of what I am going to tell you is going to be very shocking. Part of what I am going to tell you is probably going to be very unbelievable, though, instead of putting your glasses on, I'm going to ask you to put your 'skepticals' on. But please, feel free to do your own homework. I know the Freedom of Information Act isn't much to go on, but it's the best we've got. The local law library is a good place to look for Congressional Records. So, if one continues to do their homework, then one can be standing vigilant in regard to their country.

www.apfn.org...

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I say we find enough ATSers to get together and do a field trip. All these accounts of one or two people that 'disappear' would probably be alleviated with a solid team of people exploring and recording, along with folks on the surface recording and transmitting data.

Greets,
Alright, this is my first posting on ATS...I mean, I say it's the first but it might not be if I delete it and make a different one, if I don't like it.

I've been very interested in this subject for a very long time and I believe what you found written by Branton is real. Lately I haven't been able to think of much else. I'm a painter and my paintings have always reflected something beyond the visual realm of most people, and I'm now convinced that this isn't due to my being chosen to see it, but to others choosing not to see it.

Having become a family man I can't really abandon my responsibilities and go adventuring, but I do want to go to Blowing Cave, AR. I believe nearly every word that has been written about the entrance to the underworld. But I do have a bit of skepticism in the matter of Mr. George D. Wight. For one thing, he was described by "David L." as a paraplegic. He explained to Charles A. Marcoux that the "Teros healed [his] crippled leg". I wonder how a crippled man would have made it so far deep into the caverns. Especially since the discovery of the entrance was an accident. It would have been one thing, say, that they had discovered this and brought him down with them so the Teros could have healed him. But they say that they had been exploring that cave for years before the fortuitous discovery of the crack in the crevice. Was Wight supposed to have participated in so many incursions into Blowing Cave? Perhaps I've misunderstood.

Originally posted by gconran
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I say we find enough ATSers to get together and do a field trip. All these accounts of one or two people that 'disappear' would probably be alleviated with a solid team of people exploring and recording, along with folks on the surface recording and transmitting data.

According to a news report on Youtube, two young men were lost inside the cave for days, about thirty years ago, supposedly searching for Civil War treasure.

Other research indicate findings of arrowheads are common in the cave. What I would like to see is a directed effort in finding the crack in the breakdown room. If it has been covered up or sealed in any way there should be ways to determine it as well. One poster here on ATS actually went there and reported not finding anything. He posted photos of the breakdown room. However if the crevice was indeed sealed I don't think he would have found it. I think he believed it would be easy to find if it was there. If you read the accounts, you'll see there is mention to the group deciding to seal up the crevice because it had already caused much trouble. Well, the group consisted of twelve men, minus George Wight, who stayed behind, so eleven men would have been able to move rocks to seal the entrance. This is what I believe was overlooked.

Also one must take the water into consideration. The ATS poster on the other thread mentioned that anything below that chamber should be filled with water. I don't believe this assumption. The presence of water at that spot doesn't prevent the existence of empty chambers in a different spot. if you read the description offered by the group, the breakdown room is between the entrance and the lake. This means there was already water present in the cave back then, and that didn't keep them from finding the entrance to the Underground Empire.

I invite anyone interested in this topic to visit Richard Toronto's Shavertron. The website design is very old fashioned but if you dig around you find a lot of relevant information. I don't think it's updated any longer.
www.softcom.net...


Also I'm considering compiling an actual website on the subject, but it would be nice to actually visit the cave in person, not just in the incessant dreams I have about it. I feel I'm obsessing over this and it's calling me.

We could go on May 20th weekend

If I do end up going it won't be this year. But, I'm beginning to question the source. All of this is based on correspondence from a man named David A. Lopez, who might have created a hoax. I'm not sure why he'd do this to Charles Marcoux, but from the looks of it...

The following was posted by Karl on the Shaver Mystery Yahoo group:

I went to Cushman, AK a few years ago to investigate (not 'discredit,' as that would imply bias) Blowing Cave and see for myself whether the stories that had been told to a trusting old man named Marcoux were true. My phone & email exchanges with the original source of that information led me to believe that the story told to Marcoux was a falsehood, though I have no conclusive proof. The factors that brought me to this conclusion were:

1) the story was never consistent -- key details changed as was convenient;

2) the originator of the story was extremely reticent, for reasons unknown, and ultimately told me that his "friends" destroyed the entrance and sealed it up with a "special ground-rock paste" to blend in with the rest of the cavern so no one could ever find it.

I do not know why this guy would have done this to a nice, gullible old man but he did. With all due respect to the folks in this forum, [...], you will find a lot of freaks run in this crowd and perhaps are just mentally unbalanced, as it seems may have been the case here.

As for trying to find other entrances, I have kept tabs on a few possibilities but they are extremely hard to track down (to the original source, to obtain clear details); the main choice is to visit the alleged entrance and see for yourself. Then, let us know how you fared, if you would. I am still open to hearing from anyone about any inner-earth entrances of which they may have knowledge.

I did some checking and Marcoux's widow still lives in the area.

Interesting thread with many links to explore .
May be relevant to Missing 411 mystery .

At only 2 miles below the surface the temperature of virgin rock is around 140°F. Yet here we have stories of 5 mile deep caverns and people walking around ?? great stories which used to be told around the camp fires to the kids..

Without some kind of super ventilation and air conditioning system our fearless explorers would be barbecued flesh on the cavern floor after they became affiliated and passed out from all the noxious gases IMO.

Ask anyone who works on deep wells (less than 20,000 feet = 3.788 miles) what type of temperatures they reach down hole which can melt all kinds of useful things used to drill without a continuous supply of cool lubricating mud/fluid.

Like I said great story and much research you have obviously done... but without pics (video would have been nice) and a depth and temperature gauge I can't buy it.

The shallow ( 300 metres (980 ft) below the surface in Naica, Chihuahua, Mexico)........ Even at that depth the Giant Crystal cave is extremely hot, with air temperatures reaching up to 58 °C (136 °F) with 90 to 99 percent humidity....... which means normal people can only stand the temperatures for about 10 minutes or run a real risk of vapor locking.

These supposedly underground caverns discussed in the Op are 5 miles deep; THINK.. No doubt there are many deep caverns but I can guarantee you there are not people walking around without some sort of well air conditioned environmental protective suit..

youtu.be...


There are plenty of mysteries about ancient underground cities but none have been found and explored below very shallow depths due to temps and gases.
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a reply to: jkrog08

The Branton files are are a great read!