The Final Nail In The Coffin: Irrefutable Proof the Flight 93 Crash Scene Is a Lie

reply to post by mirageofdeceit


Oh , so being a Marine you are trained on the this type of thing?

I would take your response to that he is lying.

Oh , so being a Marine you are trained on the this type of thing?

No - I would expect as a Marine you'd be able to judge distance just a little better than that. Marines are supposed to be better than the regular Army, aren't they (and not just that they're stronger/fitter/go into more dangerous situations)?

I would take your response to that he is lying.

I guess so.

[edit on 27-7-2008 by mirageofdeceit]

reply to post by mirageofdeceit


So, for poops and giggles... what would he gain from lying? Was he "in on it" too?

People, the key board ops dont care what proof you all come up with.
they are not going to let you all discuss what evidents that has been found that dosent support the Government conspiracies theory.

I had to put some members on ignore in the 911 threads.
I noties the same guys trolling in every 911 thread on this board bashing everyone who dose not agree with the Government version.

It got to the point that it didnt matter what proof you had Discovered
or what scientific discovery that had been found that proved the Government conspiracies theory is a lie.

These same people dont have a leg to stand on to prove to us that our Government is telling us the truth.

I havent seen any real scientific proof that the Government is telling the truth!... nothing but "white wash"

As far as proof as flight 93 crash, I dont see anything but a little hole in the ground and nothing else. No proof from the Government but thier word that it happened!

I find it hard to believe anything our Government has to say these days. After finding out the very same people LIED us in to a war for oil!

"LOOK" at the price of gas today, the cost of oil today.
And you same Gov-key board Ops can stuff it!
You can spin your lies all day long,but (WE THE PEOPLE) see through all of this.
Oh and one more thing 911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!
All the way from the White house... 911 = oil war, and high cost of energy.

reply to post by cashlink


Hi Cash,

Welcome back. Haven't seen you here in a while.

Oh... am I one of the debunkers you have on ignore?

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
reply to post by mirageofdeceit

 

So, for poops and giggles... what would he gain from lying? Was he "in on it" too?

If not "in on it", certainly VERY mis-informed. 50 ft is close enough to feel the draft off it flying by. I'd be too busy hitting the deck to notice anything else.

To be precise, if the jet was 50 ft over the top of his head, and was at an angle of 45° whilst so doing, it would actually crash 50 ft away.

Busted by the math again...

Allow me to humor this further...

If he is correct in his assertion that it was only 50 ft above him, in order for it to crash where it did, it was either in a very shallow dive already, or they pulled hard at the last second to crash it. Note that the aircraft would already have to be inverted (time to roll being a problem, even to just 90°) at the time it flew overhead him.

That means that it could not have possibly crashed at anything like a 45° or even a 40° nose-down angle, due to the time involved in performing such a maneuver at those allegedly high speeds.

As I've said over and over - the eyewitnesses contradict themselves and the official story. Their eyewitness testimony can't be relied upon as evidence.

[edit on 27-7-2008 by mirageofdeceit]

As you can see, it is impossible for a Boeing 757 to have made that small 10x30 foot crater.

In this next photo you will see that the small crater does not show any evidence of a plane or fuel being present. . Also, the grass is not even burnt. There is no evidence of a Boeing 757 crashing there.

Images provided by flight93hoax.blogspot.com... . Read more there.


Does anyone see a miscalculation?

reply to post by IvanZana


IvanZana....not sure where you found that particular graphic.....but, do you understand the concept of kinetic energy??? You can look it up, it's available to research.

OK.....IvanZana, since you are so prolific at posting, but continuing to post the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over, again and again, and never answereing questions posed to you.....

Please answer, once and for all, for everyone to see, HOW the DNA evidence, collected at the Shanksville crashsite, was matched to the 'alleged', as you say, passengers and creww who were known to be onboard.

Please, while you're at it, explain, again, how the CVR and DFDR were 'faked', as you famously claim. You, you said, in a post, that the recorders were 'faked'.....it was you, not me.....YOU claimed it, yet NEVER, NEVER, NEVER provided any sort of 'proof' of your claims....

IvanZana.....'incredible claims require incredible proof'....

so far, you have provided nothing, except innuendo. You are a sham, a charlatan.....until you prove otherwise.....SIR!!!!!

Blablabla......


I will take your ignorance of the presented images above that proves that no plane crashed in that small crater as admission of failure.

Your ramblings and attempts to derail this thread by ignoring evidence that proved beyond a reasonable doubt that no Boeing 757 crashed in SHanksville on 911 is not changing anything.

If you understand kinetic energy you would undertand. I recommend going outside and throw a rock into soft sand.

Weed. Give up. You lost. You failed for over 160 posts to prove a plane crashed in shanksville. What makes you think you are making any progress now?



[edit on 28-7-2008 by IvanZana]

You silly debunkers said that this picture was wrong but the ntsb proved the debunkers as careless and ignorant of the facts. THe above picture proves the offcial story a lie. The crater gives way to the fact that no plane crashed. Wake up.

I am glad you debunkers and official story tellers agree that the official story is debunked concerning Flight 93.

No plane crashed in Shanksville as all the experts agree.



[edit on 28-7-2008 by IvanZana]

HOW the DNA evidence, collected at the Shanksville crashsite, was matched to the 'alleged', as you say, passengers and creww who were known to be onboard.

Prove it was collected.

Please, while you're at it, explain, again, how the CVR and DFDR were 'faked', as you famously claim. You, you said, in a post, that the recorders were 'faked'.....it was you, not me.....YOU claimed it, yet NEVER, NEVER, NEVER provided any sort of 'proof' of your claims....

The lack of an aircraft means it was faked. It's easy to do. The fact you keep arguing this point means you're running out of points to argue.

The NTSB and FBI have no record of the FDRs serial number - a basic oversight. It should be recorded, as that FDR is evidence of a CRIME.

IvanZana.....'incredible claims require incredible proof'....

Show me Flight 93. One guy claims it is in Iron Mountain. Let's see it.

Tell me - where is the APU? Why is there no mention of the APU?

Here's why: the people fabricating Flight 93 only looked at the obvious bits that you hear of on the TV, and can see all the time. The engines are obvious - they hang off the wings, and are big. The FDR/CVR people know exist on aircraft because you hear all the time after a crash how investigators look for the "black boxes" to figure out exactly what happened.

The APU is buried in the tail, and unless you're really into aviation, you're not likely to think about it.

As well as examining the FDR/CVR, crash investigators rebuild the airframe. IT matters not where it crashed or how - they rebuild it anyway.

For all we know - the hijackers really did have a bomb, and they blew up the aircraft. A rebuild would tell you this.

* Where is the APU?
* Why is there no mention of it when they found the FDR/CVR (they're located together)
* Why was there no reconstruction of the airframe?

Related to the WTC:

* Why were the black boxes never recovered? It's the first land-based crash where the boxes were never found. Very hard to believe.

SHOW ME HARD PROOF, NOT CONJECTURE, SPECULATION OR CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.

[edit on 28-7-2008 by mirageofdeceit]

reply to post by mirageofdeceit


Mirage / Ivan,

Forgive me if I sound a bit harsh.... but....

Why?


Why not contact those responsible for the DNA collection? Why not do a FOIA for the FDR data. (been done already)Why not those that collected the evidence?

Why not contact those who were at the site?

I have post names, addresses, phone numbers, e-mail addresses, websites, etc. of MANY firsts responders. All that are not government employees.

I am sure if you write a genuine (non accusatory) letter, or e-mail, someone will be willing to share their experience with you.

Thank you,

:TY:

p.s. if you would like the contact info, I will be more than happy to post it again.

I don't understand some of the people debating this.

Does anyone actually believe after seeing those pictures of the site that they are pictures of an airplane crash?

Watch the third video.

Someone explaine to me how those are pictures of an airplane crash, because I don't know what it is, and I don't know what happened to the plane, and I don't care about all the bull# people are bringing up, I just DO NOT see an airplane crash.

The recent arrest of Steven Page from the band BNL is just another Bush/CIA false-flag move to distract Canadian from the Iran invasion and the Khadr trial .

Only an idiot or denier can't see the truth that Bush planned the Steven Page arrest in N.Y. State , it's so obvious , even the mug shot looks faked because Page couldn't have grown facial hair that quickly unless he's greek or part of Al-Qaeda.

Originally posted by Jezus
I don't understand some of the people debating this.

Does anyone actually believe after seeing those pictures of the site that they are pictures of an airplane crash?

Watch the third video.

Someone explaine to me how those are pictures of an airplane crash, because I don't know what it is, and I don't know what happened to the plane, and I don't care about all the bull# people are bringing up, I just DO NOT see an airplane crash.

Only WeedWhacker, Boone, Slightlyabovepar, ThroatYogurt (did i miss ones more?) are the only ones that chose not to accept that fact that people know the truth concerning 911 but also chose to ignore the sober assesment you gave of the crash site which is shared by EVERYONE who sees it.

Your not alone, you not crazy, you not pushing any far fetched conpisracy. You are right, smart, and sane. No plane crashed in Shanksville. Star for you.

[edit on 29-7-2008 by IvanZana]

reply to post by IvanZana


Stars, high-fives, opinions, and YouTube video's do not replace facts.

Why wont you answer my questions Ivan?

Why do you dodge the truth?

Why haven't you contacted those with the truth?

What are you afraid of?

reply to post by IvanZana


Ivan, I am astonished. In YOUR sig, you quote from Jesus....I'm assuming you mean The Christ....yet you seem un-offended by a member who has the screenname 'jezus'....just because this member seems to agree with you.

So much for your character.

And, again....YOU are the lone voice in the wilderness, here. You dared to mention some other members, including myself, which is a faux pas of immense magnitude.....because, you are now jumping from the debate into personal attacks, which has been your MO for a long time.

No one here has ever personally attacked YOU.....but, once you open Pandora's box, you invite retribution. So far, no one has risen to the level of vitriol that you spew. YOU. YOU are the one who has burden of proof, it's YOUR thread....when challenged, YOU do not answer, but attack.

All who read and comprehend can see this trend.

Throatyogurt and weedwacker, answer this for me please.

In the third video do you believe you are looking at pictures of a commercial airliner crash?

Originally posted by Jezus
Throatyogurt and weedwacker, answer this for me please.

In the third video do you believe you are looking at pictures of a commercial airliner crash?

No answer.


Here is a Flight 585. It was said it nosed dived into the ground. Look at all the debris.

And the shanksville crater
real plane crash then fake plane crash.


[edit on 30-7-2008 by IvanZana]

[edit on 30-7-2008 by IvanZana]

Any chemists here? Does kerosene create white smoke?

Starred! The more I look at it, the more convinced I am it didn't crash. I'm still trying to get some time to read LaBTops notes as directed a couple of pages back.