The Final Nail In The Coffin: Irrefutable Proof the Flight 93 Crash Scene Is a Lie

Originally posted by darkbluesky
The only conspiracy involving Flt. 93 is that the shoot down has been covered up.

Why do you guys insist on these whacked-out theories of "no-airplanes" ...."missle impacts"....."bomb craters". You harm your credibility and the credibility of every serious truth seeker..

That has been proven to be disinformation started by debunkers you get their hats handed to them in real 911 threads. THey hope that they can make it look like truthers are all confused about what happened. We are all aware of the pseudo skeptics and truthers tactics of implantig straw man arguments.

Shoot down theory is not the conspiracy for it has bee debunked.

No plane, no shoot down, no lets roll. Dont like conspiracy forums go back to the jref close minded soceity.

No confusion here. No plane crashed in Shankville.

Your concentrated tag team tactics are old, futile and hasnt swayed anyone. Telling your buddis to log on and tag team and troll goes against the ToC.



[edit on 3-7-2008 by IvanZana]

You dont need to be a techie and this doesnt have to be solved right here right now. This is a process of spreading information to the right people. A seeding process of information.


Your either see it or your blind to it.

Most people dont see a plane.



The best example of a crash like flight 93 is this next picture.


Its just to bad it just a Bomb crater. Do you see the similarites?

Now in this next picture from the last page. Do you see how the crash scene is clean and free of fire and there is not enough displacement of dirt that is consitant with angle , speed, and size of plane. The fuselage, tail and wings did not hit where the official story states as they state the plane was inverted and diving at a 57+ degree angle. The official trajecotry of the plane is not consistant with the crater dimensions and dirt ejecta. Not to mention the utter lack of any fuel, or fire or evidence that the plane had wings, stabilzer and even a fuselage.


To summarize, the physical evidence does not show that a Boeing 757-200 crashed at Shanksville:

� Amount of debris not consistent with a +120,000 lb aircraft
� Crash imprint could only be caused by a vertical, or near vertical crash, which was not possible
� Circular crater indicative of a below ground explosion
� Grass and weeds are growing in the crater which clearly indicates the crater was made before 9/11
� Lack of fire damage
� Mushroom cloud not consistent with 9,000 gallons of fuel exploding and burning
� The three minute discrepancy
� Flight 93: of the 45 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only 6 are listed in the SSDI (13%)Of these 45 people, none are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list: None.


I have swayed thousands of people with presentations like this. I have always been successful in telling truths and will never and have never lost a battle. Ever.

The best startegy is to let the opposition think they are gaining ground. One day when they are comfortable and sleeping. BAM!!!!

Why do you think we waited 6 years to start the flight 93 truth program?

You will come around. Everything is working exactly as we predicted and planned. Thank you again.

Originally posted by IvanZana


The original picture didnt have wings and your not that smart at all.

Actually your darn right ignorant and annoying. We can all agree on that.

You have failed again to prove a plane crashed in Shanksville when we all know one didnt. Your the one that looks stupid and thoughtless for you have ignored all the evidence and replaced it with your sad twisted interpetation of reality.

Do you think ABovetopsecret users and Lurkers to the site are stupid enough to be swayed by your lack if understanding basic physiscs and methods that most like has iirritated everyone you encounter.

You can convince anyone that a plane crashed in Shanksville on 911, so why do you bother looking so foolish.


Again you failed to adreess any issues but the Atta passport surving the wtc collapse fliying out of the hijacked plane pont, but you corrected it and said that the miracle passport found blocks away that flew out of the hijackers pocket belongs to another terrorist who too wasnt on the flight manifest.

ok ... koo koo

Your appeal to the members here at ATS is pathetic. Blasting me with false statements do nothing to me sir. Those with a brain know what the facts are.

Funny how you address the error you made on another one of your threads HERE instead of the thread you started.

Again you made a false statement about the flight manifest. I suggest you go to your erroneous thread over there so that we can take care of it.

At least you admit that you posted a picture that has been photo-shopped.

Ivan, LOL you post some of the most pathetic pictures and information and try to pass it off as fact

i wish this forum had a BIG laughing smiley so i could post it here.

you are blatantly ignoring anything anyone ever says to you, and you then proceed to post literal copy/paste jobs of your previous posts

it's like you don't have any intelligent thought out idea on what could have happened, you just decided one day that there was never a plane, and you began to manufacture and spin evidence to fit your pre-conceived view of what happened that day.

you my friend, are the opitomy of igorance, and unwillingness to be enlightened.

Click here to learn more about this warning.

Notice a wee problem?

Even if we assume the whole plane both blew up into tiny pieces or burrowed into the ground (as the official story holds), the fuselage would have had to have make some sort of crater in the ground where it hit. But there is nothing there where the fuselage should have hit.

flight93hoax.blogspot.com...
This crater is bogus.

And this is also not mentioning the debunker argument that planes vapuorize becasue there was nothing in the hole either.


EDUCATE YOURSELF HERE !!--->flight93hoax.blogspot.com...

So what part dont you understand again?


[edit on 3-7-2008 by IvanZana]

reply to post by darkbluesky

Real airplanes with real passengers, and real arab/muslim hi-jackers were commandeered on 9/11,

ok, did YOU see this with YOUR own eyes?
How do YOU know this?
Which medium provided YOU with this information?
Where did YOU get YOUR theories from?
Was it the MAINSTREAM press?
Do YOU have crap in your eyes?
Can YOU see a plane?
If so, where?

Originally posted by IvanZana

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Doesnt make sense. Impossible.

Impossible.

reply to post by darkbluesky

Real airplanes with real passengers, and real arab/muslim hi-jackers were commandeered on 9/11,

So where are the photoos and videos of Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon?

Where are the reports matching plane parts to the 9/11 planes?

Where are the DNA reports that all the hijlackers are dead?

Where are the reports that the bodies from the planes were in the buildings?

reply to post by weedwhacker


IvanZana, I have found it reasonable, at this point, to just 'reply' to my own post, to hopefully get a response from you that actually is a RESPONSE to my question!!!

IvanZana....I asked you a direct question. Not sure which page, anyone who cares to look will see it.....the Direct Question Was: "Ivan, you claim that the Flight Recorder data from UAL93 was 'faked'".

I want you, IvanZana, for everyone here to see, answer HOW that could be faked!

So far, I think I've asked you that same question at least three times....no answer except more baloney pictures, same it is always, same as it always was...(older members will hear the song phrase....)

reply to post by ULTIMA1


ULTIMA1 ..... !!!! You are on the WRONG THREAD, DUDE!!!!

Unless......well .... I won't speculate.

OK...OK...I had to edit.....I had to respell 'you'.....I admit it, I make mistakes!!!

But, it should be noted, to all that come along to read these various threads.....that a 'member' username 'ULTIMA1' just posted on a thread originally authored by someone else.

For any newbies..the term 'OP' means 'original poster'....or something like that. NOW.....member 'IvanZana' is the 'OP' of this thread....yet, we see ULTIMA1 drop in, as if he owns the thread!!!!!

Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmm?

[edit on 7/5/0808 by weedwhacker]

Originally posted by weedwhacker
But, it should be noted, to all that come along to read these various threads.....that a 'member' username 'ULTIMA1' just posted on a thread originally authored by someone else.

Yes, i just replied to a post that another member has also replied to on this thread.

Maybe thats too much for you to comprehend. So here is the post maybe that will help.

Originally posted by v4vendetta
reply to post by darkbluesky

 

Real airplanes with real passengers, and real arab/muslim hi-jackers were commandeered on 9/11,

ok, did YOU see this with YOUR own eyes?
How do YOU know this?
Which medium provided YOU with this information?
Where did YOU get YOUR theories from?
Was it the MAINSTREAM press?
Do YOU have crap in your eyes?
Can YOU see a plane?
If so, where?

[edit on 5-7-2008 by ULTIMA1]

reply to post by ULTIMA1


ULTIMA, I made that comment, not very clearly obviously, because THIS is a thread about UAL93. You are tooting the horn about AAL77, even here, on this thread. You were off-topic, that's all........

Questions for the "untruthers" regarding shanksville, (i've asked this before but nobody answered);

Did YOU see this with YOUR own eyes?
How do YOU know this?
Which medium provided YOU with this information?
Where did YOU get YOUR theories from?
Was it the MAINSTREAM press?
Do YOU have crap in your eyes?
Can YOU see a plane?
If so, where?

reply to post by v4vendetta


V4....with my own eyes?? No....did you?

What do I know? Well, thirty years in commercial aviation should give me a little bit of knowledge.

What medium? Well, the NTSB reports from the DFDR (that's a Digital Flight Data Recorder) and the CVR (that's a Cockpit Voice Recorder).

My 'theory'?? I don't have a 'theory'....it's the so-called 'truthers' who have a 'theory'.

MSM? See my comment, above, about the DFDR and CVR.

Crap in my eye? Well, that's just rude and uncalled-for, besides being irrelevant.

Do I see a 'plane' at the accident site? Well, no....hence the POINT!!!!

How many airplanes have been intentionally flown into soft ground at over 500MPH??? Just how deep do you suppose the various parts would bury themselves, given that amount of kinetic energy???

Some airliners have crashed, at normal cruise velocities (it's called CFIT...Controlled Flight Into Terrain) but usually they hit what we call 'Cumulo-Granite'. Hard surfaces, and NOT intentional!!!! This is key to understanding this event, in Shanksville.

Please look up the USAir 487, in Pittsburgh and United 585 in Colorado Springs. Both, straight in, but neither at the speed UAL93 was involved in.

Now, compare to TWA 800 and SwissAir 11.....both impacted the ocean....Oh, don't forget the EgyptAir, forget the flight number....THAT was intentionally crashed into the ocean.

Now, the ocean, or any water for that matter, is like hitting concrete....just do a belly-flop to prove it to yourself.

The difference is, you hit water, it's like hitting rock, but instead of staying on top of the rock, it breaks up, and sinks....duh!

You hit a soft surface, and you bury deeply. Fire a bullet into a section of sand....where's the bullet???? Does it ricochet?? Fire a bullet at a rock, it does ricochet. Making sense yet???

"Think those guys, who flew into the Towers...think they didn't try any dry runs??"

OK, this is a line from a show called "Weeds", on Showtime. It's abou8t how to practice smuggling drugs, but I think it is clear that, in the age of "BEFORE" 9/11, our security was lax. We looked for, mostly guns and large knives.

ALSO, as I've posted numerous times, NO ONE ever thought the cockpit would be stormed by suicidal hi-jackers....not back then....because we were trained to use codes to keep a hi-jacker out, but if they got in, then we had covert terms. Bit, even if a hi-jacker got into the cockpit, the theory used to be that he was afraid to die....getting it yet?

That was THEN>>.......

Originally posted by weedwhacker
What medium? Well, the NTSB reports from the DFDR (that's a Digital Flight Data Recorder) and the CVR (that's a Cockpit Voice Recorder).

Too bad you do not have any official FBI or NTSB reports or physcial evidence to support anything that happened on 9/11.

The only thing you have is a theory and story from the media based on a conspiracy.


[edit on 5-7-2008 by ULTIMA1]

reply to post by ULTIMA1


Oh, dude, ULTIMA. I was not talking to YOU!!!!!!!!

Pretty sad, you come into another thread, and wish to spout the same thng you do on YOUR OWN threads???.

I invite all to see the progression of the discussions, and see how ULTIMA has just jumped in, to the wrong thread. Not once, but twice, by my count.

Hey, it's OK, since we're in a Forum designated to 9/11////but bringing AAL77 into THIS thread, seems to be a distraction, in my opinion.

[edit on 7/5/0808 by weedwhacker]

reply to post by ULTIMA1

Too bad you do not have any official FBI or NTSB reports or physcial evidence to support anything that happened on 9/11.

Ultima, please contact the NTSB and let them know that some hacker has infiltrated their web site and posted unofficial documents.

Here's the link to the forged documents-
www.ntsb.gov...

Originally posted by Boone 870
Ultima, please contact the NTSB and let them know that some hacker has

All i see on that site is information that is found on any conpsiracy site.

So where are the offical crime scene reports and the reports matching parts found to the 9/11 planes? Also where are the photos and vidoes showing AA77 hitting the Pentagon? Do you have a FOIA response with actual information?



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