Atlantis is Cuba and the Americas?

The Myth of Atlantis

Atlantis was said to have been an island empire the size of 'Libya and Asia put together', founded by the sea-god Poseidon. It possessed a cosmopolitan metropolis, with palaces, royal courts, harbor works and waterways that constantly received sea-going vessels from afar.

For many generations Atlantis ruled the Atlantic Ocean as well as parts of the `opposite continent'. Yet soon the empire set its sights on controlling the lands inside the Mediterranean basin. It was at this point that the fair race of Athens rose up against the Atlantean aggressor and in a decisive naval battle defeated its enemy. Some time afterwards the god Zeus unleashed 'earthquakes and floods' that drowned the Athenian navy and submerged the island of Atlantis in one `terrible day and night'. The date given for this catastrophe is post 8570 BC in Plato's dialogue the Timaeus and 9421 BC in its sequel the Critias.

I have always believed that the stories of the city or island of Atlantis always referred to the Americas. People have had many theories on where Atlantis could of been. All the evidence points to the 'Opposite Continent".

Lets entertain the mainstream Idea that Columbus discovered America. Granted, I would say he RE-discovered America.

What kind of catacalysm hit the globe so hard that we forgot about a whole continent full of pyramids, civilized and indeginous cultures?

Rumours of Cataclysm

Following Columbus' celebrated landfall in the Bahamas in 1492, Spanish explorers heard stories from the indigenous peoples of the Caribbean and Bahamas that spoke of a flood which had devastated the archipelagos. It was said to have split apart a much larger landmass, killing the inhabitants and leaving the many thousands and islands and cays that remain today. Some of these stories include clues which hint at a much greater catastrophe. One from Tobago speaks of 'the ole moon breaking', while others from Venezuela and the Yucatan allude to a period of darkness, fire falling from the sky and the presence overhead of a fiery snake. Had some cosmic impact caused a massive cataclysm that devastated the Bahamas and Caribbean?

In the next picture you can clearly see the submerged land. Science has said that earth flooded 100m-180m around 9-8000bc possibly due to the ice caps melting.

Some theories claim a dramatic destruction of the western hemispehere was more likely and also corroberates with Plato and Bacon's account of the destructiojn of Atlantis.

The Carolina Bays Comet

The presence of around 500,000 elliptical craters, ranging from a few hundred metres to 11 kilometres in size, across the entire eastern seaboard of the United States, from New Jersey down to Miami, is perhaps the greatest clue. Modern theories are that these so-called Carolina Bays (after the states in which they were first noted during aerial surveys in the 1920s) were caused by a comet which entered the earth's atmosphere from the north-west over Alaska and disintegrated into millions of pieces that detonated above the ground, very much in the manner of the small comet which caused the Tunguska event in Siberia in June 1908.

The effects of the catastrophe, some time around the end of the last Ice Age, were extreme. Not only would it have caused a wall of fire and wind, which would have laid flat large areas of Tundra forest and decimated flora and fauna, but the resulting dust clouds would have created a 'nuclear winter' which seems to have resulted in a temporary re-advance of the ice fields that had covered much of North America, Europe and Asia for the previous 40,000 years. Moreover, hundreds and thousands of fragments of the comet falling in the western Atlantic basin would have produced tsunami waves of immense proportions which would have temporarily drowned both the eastern seaboard of the United States and the islands of the Bahamas and Caribbean, wiping out entire populations (a few must have got away to tell the tale, as it told in the creation myths of the indigenous peoples of both Central and North America, and also those of the Caribbean).

Could memories of this cataclysmic event have been preserved across millennia until they were recounted eventually to Spanish explorers that reached in the Bahamas and Caribbean in the wake of 1492? If so, were the same tales told to Phoenician and Carthaginian voyagers who visited these same islands prior to Plato's age? Did Plato come to hear not only of the islands which existed in the outer ocean, but also of the cataclysm which once devastated this self same region? Did it cause the landmass to be inundated by flood waters, splitting it into individual islands - temporarily at first, but then more permanently when eventually the ice fields of North America, Europe and Asia finally began to melt, causing the sea-level to rise by as much as 100 metres? Thus was the sinking of Atlantis a memory of the submergence of both the former Bahaman landmass and the low-lying regions of the Caribbean? Certainly we can say that all this took place around the very same time that Plato tells us Atlantis was destroyed by 'one terrible day and night of earthquakes and floods'. Moreover, if the Caribbean islands did once form part of Atlantis, then it would mean that part of the landmass was still above water today.

www.andrewcollins.com...


Just looking at the area in question you can clearly see the submerged ancient lands.

Interesting is the Bimini wall/road which i believe was a water retention wall as you can that it would of lay along on the ancient water way.


The Aztecs and Mayans have stories were they claim the came from the cuba area before the great disaster.

I am running out of time so i will leave you with a little tid on Cuba.

Cuba's Great Plain

The description of an island plain surrounded to the east, north and west by 'mountain ranges', matches Cuba's western plain that stretches from Havana westwards to Pinar del Río, and is enclosed on its northern and western extremes by the Cord de Guaniguanico mountain range. We also know that until around 9,000 years ago the plain extended southwards, across what is today the Bay of Batabanó, to the Isle of Youth. Here then is evidence of a vast plain, originally 540 by 160 kilometres in extent, drowned, in part at least, during the time-frame suggested by Plato.

Cuba's Cord de Guaniguanico might also be compared with the 'mountain ranges' that Plato tells us shielded Atlantis' great plain from `cold northerly winds'. Between November and February each year, Cuba is subject to bitterly cold winds, known as los nortes, or 'northers', that blow in blizzards from the eastern United States. Although these cold fronts reach exposed regions of the Cuban landmass, the Cord de Guaniguanico completely shields the western plain from the harsh winds, which would otherwise damage winter crops.

Moreover, Cuba has been identified by leading geographers as a mysterious island paradise known as Antillia, or the island of the Seven Cities, said to have laid in the outer ocean according to Moorish, and later Portuguese medieval tradition (and unquestionably borrowed from much earlier Phoenician and Carthaginian sources). More than this, the name Antillia can be shown to derive from the Semitic word root ATL, 'to elevate', which was also the root behind the name Atlas, from which we derive the name Atlantis, 'daughter of Atlas', the term used for an Atlantic island (Atlantides, 'daughters of Atlas', was the plural used in ancient times to denote Atlantic islands in general). In other words, if Antillia was merely a medieval form of Atlantis, then it further confirms Cuba's association with Plato's Atlantic paradise.

www.andrewcollins.com...

I am not asking for this to be debunked but more so ...entertained... for there is alot of information pertaining to the Americas having super civilisations mulitple times before. The hopi claim that the west suffered 3 destructions, flood being the most recent one.

This is a map of ATlantis I made.

It is the Gulf of Mexico, FLorida, Bahamas, Cuba, etc with around 200 meters less water.

There was a catacalysm that occured that not ony submerged the east coast but possibly 'destroyed' it

I went to first and second grade in Havana.
I was taught that the southern half of Cuba was underwater due to a cataclysm. The land mass was much larger, the largest part under water now.
I never forgot that bit of information.
Edit to add: I also remember learning about the early Indians on the island- they were called Indios Putumayos (Mayos=Mayan) I have no idea why it was preceeded by the word Putu.
Maybe someone else knows?

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There are few subjects that intrest me more then the subject of Atlantis. The theory that America is part of the long lost Atlantis is one that has gained popularity in the last few years. individuals are making excellent cases to prove their points. Great thread!

Howdy

Why do you think the carolina bay radiocarbon and OSL dates don't match Plato's story?

Moreover, Cuba has been identified by leading geographers as a mysterious island paradise known as Antillia, or the island of the Seven Cities, said to have laid in the outer ocean according to Moorish, and later Portuguese medieval tradition (and unquestionably borrowed from much earlier Phoenician and Carthaginian sources). More than this, the name Antillia can be shown to derive from the Semitic word root ATL, 'to elevate', which was also the root behind the name Atlas, from which we derive the name Atlantis, 'daughter of Atlas', the term used for an Atlantic island (Atlantides, 'daughters of Atlas', was the plural used in ancient times to denote Atlantic islands in general). In other words, if Antillia was merely a medieval form of Atlantis, then it further confirms Cuba's association with Plato's Atlantic paradise.

As a note, it is also speculated that Antilia actually is a purely portugese word, basicly meaning the island before the continent.

Regardless, its a matter of the what came first, the hen or the egg? The Antilles are named such because they thought it could be this mythical lands, not because it was the mythical lands.

North America is not a myth. It has always exsisted. There are thing in the west that are much older and mysterious than found in the east.

Atlantis is just a name. Kinda like if north america gets forgotton in 2000 years again and the peoples are looking for mythical destroyed land called NEW York.

The name is not important.

The story goes that the west was forgotten and during the raids of egypt and other ancient sites, maps of the western continent were found and kept very secret. Groups sent people to investigate the old continent in secret from the rest of the world untill it could be partially mapped and all its people subdued for the future settlers. All the history and texts, tablets, engravings, scrolls from the mayans, aztecs, peruvians were destroyed during the spanish inquisition. The history of Ancient man travelling across the oceans in ancient times before 8000b.c has been erased.

Here is a map dating before columbus. Its a chinese map and claimed to be the oldest 'public' map of the world.
Intersting about this map is that some people claim that the Americas are poorly drawn. Granted, the map is a copy of a much older map and there has to be errors but what should be considered is the map is depicting a partially, still flooded Americas. The west coast seems to start at hudsons bay and the great lakes are still part of the sea.

The ancient easterners had a another name for the lost continent. It was Hy-Brasil. In the map above you can see the South america is half submerged still.

Columbus has been accused of having stolen source maps from the portuguese depicting north america. With Cuba being considered as the Capital of Atlantis and the stories of ancient maps being in the possesion of the Church or governments, I find it intersting that when columbus got 'lost' he sailed right for the heart of Atlantis first.







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Do you know if the Chinese map that you just posted has a name? I'd like to read about it; it's origins, etc. Thanks

Linda Moulton Howl had that story that disapeared and no follow -up that I know about. At the time she brought it forth on the Art Bell radio show ("hi Arrrt..I found a underwater city off the coast of Cuba", " the National Geographic people are looking into it, Arrrrt...", "well Linda how about a probe...huk huk huk he he he , Oh Arrrt...)

Any way, heres one of many links to the story that never came about

www.cyberspaceorbit.com...

What was infinitely more important, however, were the interpretations of the petroglyphs found in the Punta del Este caves (again, seemingly those in Cueva # Uno) by the Cuban archaeologists of the ICA. Captions to two example s shown as line illustrations, explained that the symbols showed a comet with a tail hitting an astral, or celestial, body, and breaking up.

www.megalithic.co.uk...

WOW!

On May 14, 2001 Reuters reported about her companies discovery off Cuba:

"Most intriguingly, researchers using sonar equipment have discovered, at a depth of about 2,200 feet, a huge land plateau with clear images of what appears to be urban development partly covered by sand. From above, the shapes resemble pyramids, roads and buildings."

www.blavatsky.net...

Here is a key passage from Plato:

"This power came forth out of the Atlantic Ocean, for in those days the Atlantic was navigable; and there was an island situated in front of the straits which are by you called the Pillars of Heracles; the island was larger than Libya and Asia put together, and was the way to other islands, and from these you might pass to the whole of the opposite continent which surrounded the true ocean; for this sea which is within the Straits of Heracles is only a harbour, having a narrow entrance, but that other is a real sea, and the surrounding land may be most truly called a boundless continent."

Hail americas

This is a most excellent thread. I too recall the discoveries off of Cuba and wonder just who is keeping all of that data from coming forward. I doubt the Cuban government would halt investigation into something that could prove profitable in terms of tourist Euros coming into Cuba.

Originally posted by Hanslune
Howdy

Why do you think the carolina bay radiocarbon and OSL dates don't match Plato's story?

It would seem I'll have to answer my own question.

Optically Stimulated Luminescence (OSL) dating: Over the last several years, Ivester et al. (2002, 2003, 2004a, 2004b, 2007) have dated the sand rims of numerous Carolina Bays using Optically Stimulated Luminescence (OSL) They found sand rims of many Carolina Bays to be as old as 80,000 to 100,000 BP.

www.hallofmaat.com...

Well dang that picture of chart cuts off half the material here is the link to the chart.

The chart

The finite radiocarbon dates range in age from 440 ± 50 to 27,700 ±2,600 BP radiocarbon in age (Whitehead 1981, Gaiser et al. 2001). Some samples are so old that they contained insufficient radiocarbon for dating, which results in "greater than dates". For example, samples from sediments filling Carolina Bays have been dated at greater than 38,000 to 49,550 BP radiocarbon years (Frey 1955, Brooks et al. 2001).

So I'll ask again there is a mountain of information that shows that most of the bays don't date to the time of Plato's story Atlantis.


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Howdy Ivanzana

All the history and texts, tablets, engravings, scrolls from the mayans, aztecs, peruvians were destroyed during the spanish inquisition. The history of Ancient man travelling across the oceans in ancient times before 8000b.c has been erased.

Ah, no that isn't true: For the Mayan, these codices survived

The Madrid Codex, also known as the Tro-Cortesianus Codex
The Dresden Codex
The Paris Codex, also known as the Peresianus Codex
The Grolier Codex, also known as the Grolier Fragment



Tens of thousands of inscriptions, tablets and engravings from all those cultures plus later written down myths all survived. The Peruvians didn't have writing (excepting Kuipos). I'm not sure why you'd claim othewise as the information is easily available.

What is your source for your alleged Chinese map pre-Columbian map, link or name please

From Sir Francis Bacon's a new atlantis. A description.

At the same time, and an age after or more, the inhabitants of the great Atlantis did flourish. For though the narration and description which is made by a great man with you, that the descendants of Neptune planted there, and of the magnifi- cent temple, palace, city, and hill; and the manifold streams of goodly navigable rivers, which as so many chains environed the same site and temple; and the several degrees of ascent, where- by men did climb up to the same, as if it had been a Scala Coeli; be all poetical and fabulous; yet so much is true, that the said country of Atlantis, as well that of Peru, then called Coya, as that of Mexico, then named Tyrambel, were mighty and proud kingdoms, in arms, shipping, and riches; so mighty, as at one time, or at least within the space of ten years, they both made two great expeditions; they of Tyrambel through the Atlantic to the Mediterranean Sea; and they of Coya, through the South Sea upon this our island; and for the former of these, which was into Europe, the same author among you, as it seemeth, had some relation from the Egyptian priest, whom he citeth. For assuredly, such a thing there was. But whether it were the ancient Athenians that had the glory of the repulse and re- sistance of those forces, I can say nothing; but certain it is there never came back either ship or man from that voyage. Neither had the other voyage of those of Coya upon us had bet- ter fortune, if they had not met with enemies of greater clem- ency. For the King of this island, by name Altabin, a wise man and a great warrior, knowing well both his own strength and that of his enemies, handled the matter so as he cut off their land forces from their ships, and entoiled both their navy and their camp with a greater power than theirs, both by sea and land; and compelled them to render themselves without striking a stroke; and after they were at his mercy, contenting himself only with their oath, that they should no more bear arms against him, dismissed them all in safety.

oregonstate.edu...
Description of the destruction. Note: Most of this information came from the original pre columbus 'americans'.

"But the divine revenge overtook not long after those proud enterprises. For within less than the space of 100 years the Great Atlantis was utterly lost and destroyed; not by a great earthquake, as your man saith, for that whole tract is little sub- ject to earthquakes, but by a particular deluge, or inundation; those countries having at this day far greater rivers, and far higher mountains to pour down waters, than any part of the old world. But it is true that the same inundation was not deep, nor past forty foot, in most places, from the ground, so that although it destroyed man and beast generally, yet some few wild inhabitants of the wood escaped. Birds also were saved by flying to the high trees and woods. For as for men, although they had buildings in many places higher than the depth of the water, yet that inundation, though it were shallow, had a long continuance, whereby they of the vale that were not drowned perished for want of food, and other things necessary. So as marvel you not at the thin population of America, nor at the rudeness and ignorance of the people; for you must account your inhabitants of America as a young people, younger a thou- sand years at the least than the rest of the world, for that there was so much time between the universal flood and their particu- lar inundation.

oregonstate.edu...

The almost every religion and myth supports this history.


What happend to its people?

"For the poor remnant of human seed which remained in their mountains, peopled the country again slowly, by little and little, and being simple and a savage people (not like Noah and his sons, which was the chief family of the earth), they were not able to leave letters, arts, and civility to their posterity; and having likewise in their mountainous habitations been used, in respect of the extreme cold of those regions, to clothe them- selves with the skins of tigers, bears, and great hairy goats, that they have in those parts; when after they came down into the valley, and found the intolerable heats which are there, and knew no means of lighter apparel, they were forced to begin the custom of going naked, which continueth at this day. Only they take great pride and delight in the feathers of birds, and this also they took from those their ancestors of the moun- tains, who were invited unto it, by the infinite flight of birds, that came up to the high grounds, while the waters stood below. So you see, by this main accident of time, we lost our traffic with the Americans, with whom of all others, in regard they lay nearest to us, we had most commerce. As for the other parts of the world, it is most manifest that in the ages follow- ing (whether it were in respect of wars, or by a natural revolu- tion of time) navigation did everywhere greatly decay, and specially far voyages (the rather by the use of galleys, and such vessels as could hardly brook the ocean) were altogether left and omitted. So then, that part of intercourse which could be from other nations to sail to us, you see how it hath long since ceased; except it were by some rare accident, as this of yours. But now of the cessation of that other part of intercourse, which might be by our sailing to other nations, I must yield you some other cause. But I cannot say if I shall say truly, but our ship- ping, for number, strength, mariners, pilots, and all things that appertain to navigation, is as great as ever; and therefore why we should sit at home, I shall now give you an account by itself; and it will draw nearer, to give you satisfaction, to your prin- cipal question

oregonstate.edu...


The conspiracy i believe surrounding Atlantis and or the 'New' World has more to do with the conspiracy of silence pertaining to 'found' knowledge of the opposite continent. I can only assume 'they' kept it a secret so they can reclaim the continents for their kings. Rumours of Flat earth was spread aswell as rumours of sea creatures, and the truth about pirates to keep other countries or explorers from ever going or returning from the 'new' world.



The some of the oldest stories of history concerning the americas can be researched here www.ilhawaii.net...
Native lore

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Howdy Ivan

I have noted you won't reply or defend your misinformation - how sad!

You've made yet another major mistake, Francis' book is a book about a Utopia land - its fiction, its a novel..............

"The novel depicts a mythical land, Bensalem, which is discovered by the crew of an European ship after they are lost in the Pacific Ocean somewhere west of Peru. The European narrator recounts some of the island's customs and, most importantly, its state-sponsored scientific institution, Salomon's House."

"The best and brightest of Bensalem's citizens attend a college called Salomon's House, in which scientific experiments are conducted in Baconian method in order to understand and conquer nature, and to apply the collected knowledge to the betterment of society."

Interesting novel but saying its history is well, "unusual".

Is there some reason you're putting out all this bad data?

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You must of missed the end of the orginal post .

I am not asking for this to be debunked but more so ...entertained... for there is alot of information pertaining to the Americas having super civilisations mulitple times before. The hopi claim that the west suffered 3 destructions, flood being the most recent one.

If you also did some research on Bacon and where his ideas for his book came from then you would of understood why I included his work.

I think the classical idea of Atlantis, is most certainly a dim remembrance of the fantasticaly advanced maritime cultures of the Minoans and the destruction of the cities on Thera and Crete.


But there is excellent evidence that there was a cometary impact event in north america 10-12K years ago?.
The actual time frame i am not sure of, I was half asleep while watching a very good documentary about it.
The scientist who postulated the idea, points to the fact that there is an unexplained layer of soot all across north america.
This layer of soot date corresponds to the dissaperance of most large land mammals, including man, many species of plants and birds.
It also corresponds to the re-emergence of ice age after several millenia of warming.
The soot layer has been identified in dozens of sites all across north america.
Below the soot layer there are horses,camels, giant bison, giant cats, giant bears and giant flightless carnivorous birds(7-8" tall) and the clovis people.
Above the soot layer youve got none of those things.
But youve got asian transplants, humans and their dogs, smaller asian bison and so on.
Shortly after this period(1000-1500 yrs) there are also giant flood events in north america, where huge glacial lakes suddenly burst and astounding quantities of fresh water were released in to the worlds ocean basins, causing unbelivable flooding.
And resulting in many flood legends amongst many early people who
witnessed these events.

Ok, I'm venturing into an area where I only have opinions and few facts - but I will say that I do not think the Americas could have been Atlantis because the Mayans, Aztecs and Incas all thought Atlan as they called it was to the east.
Norse people thought it was to the south, the Egyptians, Indians, Mesopotamians and Greeks thought it was to the West.

I guess it could be Cuba come to think of it - - - were it not for the Incas claiming it was to their east. As the Incasd lived in the Andes they would have most assuredly considered a Cuban Atlan to be to the North.

Great subject tho - I love this stuff!

Bios

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I found this very interesting, its the hopi's account of the 3rd world and its destruction (the pre-flood world).

So the people climbed up the ladder from the Ant kiva, making their Emergence to the Third World. Its name was Kuskurza, its direction east, its color red. Chiefs upon it were the mineral palasiva (copper); the plant piva, tobacco; the bird angwusi, crow; and the animal choovio, antelope. Upon it once more the people spread out, multiplied in their progress on the Road of Life. In the First World they had lived simply with the animals. In the Second World they had developed handicrafts, homes, and villages. Now in the Third World they multiplied in such numbers and advanced so rapidly that they created big cities, countries, a whole civilization. This made it difficult for them to conform to the plan of Creation and to sing praises to Taiowa and Sotuknang. More and more of them became wholly occupied with their own earthly plans. Some of them, of course, retained the wisdom granted them upon their Emergence. With this wisdom they understood that the farther they proceeded on the Road of Life and the more they developed, the harder it was. That was why their world was destroyed every so often to give them a fresh start. They were especially concerned because so many people were using their reproductive power in wicked ways. There was one woman who was becoming known throughout the world for her wickedness in corrupting so many people. She even boasted that so many men were giving her turquoise necklaces for her favors she could wind them around a ladder that reached to the end of the world's axis. 13

Though the Second World became corrupt much more quickly than the First World had, the Third World accelerated towards decline even more rapidly than the second had. Not content with simple villages, the peoples of the Third World had built vast, glittering cities of light that were highly centralized. This was not in conformity with the plans of Taiowa the Creator, who had intended man from the beginning to spread out and live close to the land, which man had indeed originally done in the First World, and had done to a limited extent in the second. In addition, the peoples of the Third World used their sexual powers not for reproduction, but for recreation, making sexual sport with each other to the point where a great prostitute was able to boast about how many men she was able to wrap around her finger. This material girl of the ancient world led mankind down the path of destruction, towards a terrific imbalance that led to a terrible world war.

www.mysteriousworld.com...

I like this next part, it describes the destruction, the reason, the solution and some of the technologies that exsited 30,000 to 9,000 b.c estimated.

But some of them made a patuwvota [shield made of hide] and with their creative power made it fly through the air. On this many of the people flew to a big city, attacked it, and returned so fast no one knew where they came from. Soon the people of many cities and countries were making patuwvotas and flying on them to attack one another. So corruption and war came to the Third World as it had to the others.14

This time the Earth had become corrupt much more quickly, and mankind had become cleanly divided between those who still remembered the song of Creation, and those who had forgotten it. During the First and Second Worlds, the corruption had apparently come more slowly, and the chosen people had time to be evacuated before their thread had run out. During the Third World, however, the corruption had happened so quickly and had become so intense that there was a danger that the chosen people could become corrupted before they could be evacuated to the Ant kivas again. So, this time Sotuknang told Spider Woman to not wait until their thread ran out, but to immediately create for the chosen people a means of escaping the Great Flood that Sotuknang planned to use to destroy the wicked Third World. Spider Woman then quickly cut down huge, hollow reeds and sealed the people in with white cornmeal dough to eat. Immediately afterwards, waves higher than mountains rolled in upon the land, continents broke apart and sank beneath the waves, and great rains fell, working together to drown the entire wicked Third World, Kuskurza.

www.mysteriousworld.com...

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Read Great Pyramid Tells of Earth Tilt c.10,500BC

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Howdy Ivan

Sorry, but I don't agree to your perception of being able to post bad information - and act like its real, and not be challenged.

You don't need to reply of course but I will point out where you are making stuff up, misrepresenting information and geting your facts wrong -
Deny Ignorance, eh? LOL

If you also did some research on Bacon and where his ideas for his book came from then you would of understood why I included his work.

I understand fully and completely what that novel Bacon wrote is about - unfortunately you are trying to represent it as a factual book- it is not. I would suggest you included it because some previous Atlantis researcher used it as a source and you failed to realize it was a Utopian novel.

Its kinda like using a quote from a Tom Swift book to "prove" alien visitors.