WTC-7 North Side MASSIVE Fires .... CBS News

Originally posted by fastfingersfunk
reply to post by jprophet420

 

he says it was controlled demolitions, do you believe this or not? you keep saying you didn't specify a CD but everyone you are using as your backup to prove it wasn't structural failure is saying it was a CD. it seems to me you don't even believe them.

the Twin Towers and Building 7 were destroyed not by fire as our government has told us...

Why do you think he is wrong?

I told you what I believe and you just didnt like my answer.

reply to post by cashlink


I will start with McPhadden:



In this video he states that the Red Cross rep said "They are thinking about bringing the building down". Now this is different from his statement here thinking or being told the building was likely to come down due to structural damage.

In the SAME video he states:

"with his hand over the radio, with what sounded like a countdown, and at the last few seconds he took his hand off and you heard 3..2..1...and he was saying just run for your lives..."

In the video he gives a speech:



In this he heard a "pulsed speech". No mention of 3..2..1.., then he said... "that means to me it was most likely a countdown"

Now, there is also an audio of McPadden from September 2006 on Guns & Butter, and not a single mention of any Red Cross personnel with a radio, him hearing anything on any radio, any "countdown", any Red Cross worker "giving him a look", any Red Cross worker yelling, "Run for your lives", etc.

In fact, his story in September 2006 was vastly different than his most recent versions of events. He does tell other stories, though, and honestly, I think you will have a hard time believing almost all of them. Michael Bloomberg accosted him and said, "you think you look cool with that cigarette in your mouth, but you look like a dirtbag"? Um, I somehow doubt it.

He fought with security guards at St. Vincent's Hospital and pinned someone up against a wall while attempting to obtain medical supplies even though he claims that they unnecessary because there was nobody to save? Um, you think??

Anyway, the story he was telling last year is available at the following link.

kpfa.org...

(from the 46 minute mark to the 55 minute mark)

So, there are some changes sir. The dude is a loose cannon.

EDIT TO ADD:

Another one of his "speeches"..... listen to this to... see what you can pick out that is different. If you are a truther like you proudly boast, you will know if this man is speaking it.

[edit on 2-7-2008 by ThroatYogurt]

reply to post by cashlink


the truth is that it fell due to structural failure and that's what the evidence shows. so call yourself what you will.

btw, has anyone seen this? this proves footage exists of WTC7 falling with audio, but the part right before the collapse has been cut out. i'm assuming it's cut out by a so called "truther" because there are no explosions since the people filming it don't refer to any explosions, just that this was the reason nobody was trying to put out the fire.

Originally posted by fastfingersfunk
i've seen plenty of statmements from people who where there that say there were no explosions pertaining to the collapse of WTC7

I repeat - please quote the statements you are referring to.

Originally posted by fastfingersfunk
regarding barry jennings. he speaks of explosions heard early in the morning, nothing to do with the collapse of WTC7 and the type of demolition it would take to bring it down.

I repeat - please explain how you know these explosions inside WTC 7 had no part in the collapse while also knowing the exterior damage somehow provided "the type of demolition it would take to bring it down."

Originally posted by fastfingersfunk
and steve bartmer is a questionable witness. he is being treated for PTSD... a prosecuter would not even let this guy take stand.

First you get his name wrong, then you try to discredit him.
Why would PTSD prevent a police officer from testifying in court?
Spin and bluster as predicted.

Please source your claim that Craig Bartmer is being treated for PTSD.


[edit on 2-7-2008 by EvilAxis]

reply to post by jprophet420


i don't think he is wrong i know he is wrong. but keep identifying people who provide no evidence to back up their theories. and keep doing the same yourself. you have provided no theory to backup CD's or whatever you believe (i still don't know what you believe). you have only filibustered. your "theory" is that a huge force made the building collapse. great theory, right to the point. lol.


and no accomplished SE has been able to prove that the local collapse of support 79 would not drop the penthouse and ultimately cause a global collapse.

reply to post by ThroatYogurt



First you have failed to proved that this man is a lier
No one remembers Word to word, verbatim of the first time they tell thier story, NO ONE dose, including YOU!

Just because he FORGOT something dose NOT make him a lier.

You have failed again. try again.

Originally posted by cashlink

You know, "YOU" make all these statements, but you dont back them up!

I am a truther, not a DEBUNKER.

You are not very good at what you do, You need to go back to get more training. lol

I typically post with back up. You refuse to read it. If it didn't come from Loose Change or Pizza Planet... you will ignore it.

Now... Here is some info that I can show you in regards to Hero Willie Rodrequez.

Rodriguez addressed this issue in August, 2006:

“(911myths.com) says 'A jet fuel fireball erupted upon impact and shot down at least one bank of elevators.' ...Very strange indeed, since there were only one elevator shaft (the 50A car) that went all the way to B6, the operator was inside, Mr. Griffith and he survived with a broken ankles. He should have died burnt since on this theory the ball of fire went down. He is alive and well and I will interview him in the future to clear the disinformation.”

www.haloscan.com...

Rodriguez, in December, 2006:

"Last, funny everybody brings the position that the ball of fire went down the center elevator shaft and exploded in the basement, since the actual elevator operator of the 50A car is alive and after braking both ankles did not get burned by any of this. He should have been burned alive. He was never called to testify."

forums.randi.org...

Rodriguez's main complaint is that his account has been ignored by official investigative bodies. Yet when he had the chance to go on the public record at a 2004 meeting held by chief investigators from NIST, he spoke about problems with keeping the stairwells clean, about some preexisting damage in the stairwells, and about the elevators not working properly after the attack. At a public meeting, to the people charged with finding out why the towers collapsed, Rodriguez said nothing about his major claim: that he knows there were explosives in the north tower basement.

However, Rodriguez did say this to NIST:

"The fire, the ball of fire, for example, I was in the basement when the first plane hit the building. And at that moment, I thought it was an electrical generator that blew up at that moment. A person comes running into the office saying 'explosion, explosion, explosion.' When I look at this guy; has all his skin pulled off of his body. Hanging from the top of his fingertips like it was a glove. And I said, what happened? He said the elevators. What happened was the ball of fire went down with such a force down the elevator shaft on the 58th (50A) – freight elevator, the biggest freight elevator that we have in the North Tower, it went out with such a force that it broke the cables. It went down, I think seven flights. The person survived because he was pulled from the B3 level. But this person, being in front of the doors waiting for the elevator, practically got his skin vaporized."

That wasn't the first time. On September 11, 2002, Rodriguez was interviewed by CNN:

“And at that terrible day when I took people out of the office, one of them totally burned because he was standing in front of the freight elevator and the ball of fire came down the duct of the elevator itself, I put him on the ambulance.”

transcripts.cnn.com...

I can continue if you would like.

Originally posted by cashlink
reply to post by ThroatYogurt

 

First you have failed to proved that this man is a lier
No one remembers Word to word, verbatim of the first time they tell thier story, NO ONE dose, including YOU!

Just because he FORGOT something dose NOT make him a lier.

You have failed again. try again.

Ok... Did I say he was a lier? (it's liar)

I stated that he changed his story.

then you responded with this:

Originally posted by cashlink
Oh for G-d sakes! Please show me where he has "change" His story?

This is new to me.

Show us "all," the "PROOF" that he change his story.

YOU have failed to listen. YOU will not believe anything unless Alex Jones or Dylan Avery are spewing it.

Back in 2006 he does not mention ANYTHING about a COUNTDOWN!!! Don't you think that's a real important piece of information?

Back in 2006 he does not mention anything about a red cross worker telling him to "RUN FOR YOUR LIFE".... oh wait... it was a "LOOK" like run for your life....


You asked for proof as to how he changed his story... i showed you it from HIS MOUTH.

If you cant see it...



YOU FAIL!

[edit on 2-7-2008 by ThroatYogurt]

Originally posted by fastfingersfunk
reply to post by cashlink

 

the truth is that it fell due to structural failure and that's what the evidence shows. so call yourself what you will.

btw, has anyone seen this? this proves footage exists of WTC7 falling with audio, but the part right before the collapse has been cut out. i'm assuming it's cut out by a so called "truther" because there are no explosions since the people filming it don't refer to any explosions, just that this was the reason nobody was trying to put out the fire.

The "TRUTH" is explosion brought down all tree buildings
Ya, that video was taken a far distant away and the sound quality sucks
I also think this video may have been tamperd with, But I cant prove it.

100 of wittness SAW and heard EXPLOSIN on all three buildings.
That is a FACT!
911 was an inside job!

There's nothing you can say that, will disprove what 100s of people that were there.

They are not all Liers!

You keep avoiding or even looking at explosives, although what you keep saying and showing us defy physics, logically its impossible for the buildings to fall down the way You say it .lol

Originally posted by cashlink

100 of wittness SAW and heard EXPLOSIN on all three buildings.
That is a FACT!
911 was an inside job!

There's nothing you can say that, will disprove what 100s of people that were there.

Since everyone agrees people heard explosions. You will have to back up that statement that I put the emphasis on.

I have yet to read about witnesses that "saw" explosions.

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt

Originally posted by cashlink

You know, "YOU" make all these statements, but you dont back them up!

I am a truther, not a DEBUNKER.

You are not very good at what you do, You need to go back to get more training. lol

I typically post with back up. You refuse to read it. If it didn't come from Loose Change or Pizza Planet... you will ignore it.

Now... Here is some info that I can show you in regards to Hero Willie Rodrequez.

Rodriguez addressed this issue in August, 2006:

“(911myths.com) says 'A jet fuel fireball erupted upon impact and shot down at least one bank of elevators.' ...Very strange indeed, since there were only one elevator shaft (the 50A car) that went all the way to B6, the operator was inside, Mr. Griffith and he survived with a broken ankles. He should have died burnt since on this theory the ball of fire went down. He is alive and well and I will interview him in the future to clear the disinformation.”

www.haloscan.com...

Rodriguez, in December, 2006:

"Last, funny everybody brings the position that the ball of fire went down the center elevator shaft and exploded in the basement, since the actual elevator operator of the 50A car is alive and after braking both ankles did not get burned by any of this. He should have been burned alive. He was never called to testify."

forums.randi.org...

Rodriguez's main complaint is that his account has been ignored by official investigative bodies. Yet when he had the chance to go on the public record at a 2004 meeting held by chief investigators from NIST, he spoke about problems with keeping the stairwells clean, about some preexisting damage in the stairwells, and about the elevators not working properly after the attack. At a public meeting, to the people charged with finding out why the towers collapsed, Rodriguez said nothing about his major claim: that he knows there were explosives in the north tower basement.

However, Rodriguez did say this to NIST:

"The fire, the ball of fire, for example, I was in the basement when the first plane hit the building. And at that moment, I thought it was an electrical generator that blew up at that moment. A person comes running into the office saying 'explosion, explosion, explosion.' When I look at this guy; has all his skin pulled off of his body. Hanging from the top of his fingertips like it was a glove. And I said, what happened? He said the elevators. What happened was the ball of fire went down with such a force down the elevator shaft on the 58th (50A) – freight elevator, the biggest freight elevator that we have in the North Tower, it went out with such a force that it broke the cables. It went down, I think seven flights. The person survived because he was pulled from the B3 level. But this person, being in front of the doors waiting for the elevator, practically got his skin vaporized."

That wasn't the first time. On September 11, 2002, Rodriguez was interviewed by CNN:

“And at that terrible day when I took people out of the office, one of them totally burned because he was standing in front of the freight elevator and the ball of fire came down the duct of the elevator itself, I put him on the ambulance.”

transcripts.cnn.com...

I can continue if you would like.

First of all save the SARCASM!
(If it didn't come from Loose Change or Pizza Planet... you will ignore it.)
You do NOT know where I go to get my info
You are useing every technique that disinfo expert uses nothing new here.

You have failed to prove that any of these men are Lieing.
Now we can keep going in circles all night but you havent PROVED anything.LOL

As I said just because some one leaves something out in one statement and remembers something else in another dosent make what thier saying is untrue.

reply to post by ThroatYogurt


No problem you can start here.
patriotsquestion911.com...
plenty of wittness here heard EXPLOSIVES.

reply to post by cashlink


Why have you FAILED to respond?

WHY... would McPhadden "forget" the most important issues of 911?

I threw the Pizza Planet in there for a little comedy... lighten up.

No, I don't know where you get your information from. YOU blame me for not offering proof. I did... and in a typical fashion, you ignore it. You offer nothing but old recycled stories that have been debunked over a year ago.

Both men have changed their stories. You are unwilling to accept that... oh well... not my problem. IF you were in fact searching for the truth.... You and I would not be having this discussion.

Originally posted by cashlink
reply to post by ThroatYogurt

 

No problem you can start here.
patriotsquestion911.com...
plenty of wittness here heard EXPLOSIVES.

Not to be rude but did you even READ my post??

Did I ask for people who heard explosions?

NO.

you stated you have hundreds of witnesses that SAW explosions.

Please... lets start there since I know people heard explosions.

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
reply to post by cashlink

 

Why have you FAILED to respond?


I threw the Pizza Planet in there for a little comedy... lighten up.

No, I don't know where you get your information from. YOU blame me for not offering proof. I did... and in a typical fashion, you ignore it. You offer nothing but old recycled stories that have been debunked over a year ago.

Both men have changed their stories. You are unwilling to accept that... oh well... not my problem. IF you were in fact searching for the truth.... You and I would not be having this discussion.

I threw the Pizza Planet in there for a little comedy...
So you think that is funny! please save it!
(Why have you FAILED to respond?)
This dose not deserve a respond!

(WHY... would McPhadden "forget" the most important issues of 911?)
He didn't

If you believe the Government version of 911, and nothing can change your mind, that the Government is lieing, then why are YOU IN HERE!

I hope YOU are not in here to get everyone to belive the Government version.LOL

You have FAILED to prove the Government is telling us the truth.

According to You, everybody is misinformed

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt

Originally posted by cashlink
reply to post by ThroatYogurt

 

No problem you can start here.
patriotsquestion911.com...
plenty of wittness here heard EXPLOSIVES.

Not to be rude but did you even READ my post??

Did I ask for people who heard explosions?

NO.

you stated you have hundreds of witnesses that SAW explosions.

Please... lets start there since I know people heard explosions.

(Not to be rude but did you even READ my post??)

Did you not read my post!

reply to post by cashlink


Please re-read your post and explain to me in it... where is your response to me where I provide proof that the two men you linked to have changed their stories.

No need to chant "911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB".... I understand your opinion. I have shown you facts.

reply to post by cashlink


I read your post... and re-read it.

100 of wittness SAW and heard EXPLOSIN on all three buildings.
That is a FACT!
911 was an inside job!

There's nothing you can say that, will disprove what 100s of people that were there.

You posted that you have 100's of witnesses that "saw" the explosions.

Do I have to ask AGAIN for you to provide these people?

NOT the ones that HEARD explosions. I agree that there were explosions. I just never heard of any of them seeing them.



[edit on 2-7-2008 by ThroatYogurt]

actually i see now that WTC7 was a controlled demolition and didn't fall due to structural failure as the actual evidence as shows. al-qaida members planted those demolitions. not the ones that flew the planes though, additional people from their cell, that are still here.

[edit on 2-7-2008 by fastfingersfunk]

reply to post by ThroatYogurt


They saw the explosions, they heard the exsposions, some of them where in the explosions.

what more do you need?

One day your blinders will come off and you will see the Truth.