Survivalism is just a fad.

They have a name for the OP He is called a troll. Its not the first time he has come to the ATS survival forums and tried to stir up trouble. Some people have such low morals that they think its funny to get other people mad. Its that attitude that will cause TSTHF.

In my years in the service I have been to those places that have already fallen apart. I have seen with my own two eyes what is to come. It is not pretty but it is real. the proof is all over the world.

In my other reply on this thread I was reminded by a mod about the TOS. Now it is my turn to remind a mod about the TOS. Trolling is against the TOS. heliumboy needs to be warned and or banned. His sole purpose in coming to the Survival forums is to insult us and make people angry. its not hard to see that. the proof is in his post/her post.

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As usual Dr. Strangecraft you've put your finger exactly on it. Sufficiency is the word, not survivalism. The OP strikes me as someone who expects the gov't. to be there to help. Ask Katrina victims how much help the gov't was in the early hours of that particular catastrophe, or how much help they're being even now.

Nothing at all wrong with being ready "just in case"...better that than the opposite...

I have to just say that I don't understand the logic behind most of the people on this thread.

If you live somewhere where disasters such as flooding, hurricanes etc. are prone, then it is of course only good sense to have some water and food supplies stored away just in case.

But I get the feeling that people are planning for more than just these simple disasters. What are people expecting, ww3? meteorite impact? I don't know. But what I do know is that anything that collosal doesn't happen without warning, and I fail to see how some tins of spam and a machine gun are gonna make any difference to anything that might happen to you or your family.

Maybe it's because America has not had a full scale war on its home turf in living memory, but people don't just start killing each other and stealing your stuff because their in danger. People are better in a crisis than you might expect.

This all sounds like extreme and unwaranted paranoia.

Originally posted by scepticsteve
I have to just say that I don't understand the logic behind most of the people on this thread.

If you live somewhere where disasters such as flooding, hurricanes etc. are prone, then it is of course only good sense to have some water and food supplies stored away just in case.

But I get the feeling that people are planning for more than just these simple disasters. What are people expecting, ww3? meteorite impact? I don't know. But what I do know is that anything that collosal doesn't happen without warning, and I fail to see how some tins of spam and a machine gun are gonna make any difference to anything that might happen to you or your family.

Maybe it's because America has not had a full scale war on its home turf in living memory, but people don't just start killing each other and stealing your stuff because their in danger. People are better in a crisis than you might expect.

This all sounds like extreme and unwaranted paranoia.

I take it you have Motor Insurance, Health Insurance, Home Insurance, Contents Insurance and Life Insurance? You dont quibble or debate whether you should be paying for these 'pieces of paper', do you?

Stocking up on certain things or learning and practicing certain skills could be called 'Situation X Insurance Policy'. At least a 'Situation X Insurance Policy' is more practical than the above mentioned Insurances. As I have said a few times on this forum, the Situation X is what YOU personally believe MAY happen in the area you live, wherever that may be. NO-ONE knows what is around the next bend, we can only surmise.

From your post, you are surmising that most if not all of the members of this forum are American. Well, No, they are not all Americans. Many of us are from Europe and Australia and other parts of the planet. So please dont tar us all with the same brush.

Originally posted by Wotan

Originally posted by scepticsteve
I have to just say that I don't understand the logic behind most of the people on this thread.

If you live somewhere where disasters such as flooding, hurricanes etc. are prone, then it is of course only good sense to have some water and food supplies stored away just in case.

But I get the feeling that people are planning for more than just these simple disasters. What are people expecting, ww3? meteorite impact? I don't know. But what I do know is that anything that collosal doesn't happen without warning, and I fail to see how some tins of spam and a machine gun are gonna make any difference to anything that might happen to you or your family.

Maybe it's because America has not had a full scale war on its home turf in living memory, but people don't just start killing each other and stealing your stuff because their in danger. People are better in a crisis than you might expect.

This all sounds like extreme and unwaranted paranoia.

I take it you have Motor Insurance, Health Insurance, Home Insurance, Contents Insurance and Life Insurance? You dont quibble or debate whether you should be paying for these 'pieces of paper', do you?

Stocking up on certain things or learning and practicing certain skills could be called 'Situation X Insurance Policy'. At least a 'Situation X Insurance Policy' is more practical than the above mentioned Insurances. As I have said a few times on this forum, the Situation X is what YOU personally believe MAY happen in the area you live, wherever that may be. NO-ONE knows what is around the next bend, we can only surmise.

From your post, you are surmising that most if not all of the members of this forum are American. Well, No, they are not all Americans. Many of us are from Europe and Australia and other parts of the planet. So please dont tar us all with the same brush.

Your absolutely right, Its very easy to assume most people on here are americans, in the future I will be more carefull not to make that assumption. I am in fact english, so it probably should have occured to me, however I still have to say, it still seems like most of this irrational paranoia does come from the states, you seem to be an exception to that generalisation.

I am curious what your insurance policy is? Your from the isle of wight, so i'm going to suggest 1. Booty, to bribe pirates, and 2. no actaully I can't think of anything else.

Your everyday insurance, Car, home etc. is in no way the same as what is being talked about on this thread. I am not being paranoid, by preparing insurance for a car crash, it happens, actaully it did happen 2 years ago, and it may well happen again.

This situation X stuff is complete nonsense, if you can't be specific about your threat then I can't take it seriously. If your home is at risk from flooding, then it is not paranoid to prepare food and clean water, just in case. Stocking up on weapons and food for situations that are borederline if not completely impossible is nothing short paranoid.

Please specify what your "Insurance" is for so we can discuss this sensibly.

Originally posted by Wotan
I take it you have Motor Insurance, Health Insurance, Home Insurance, Contents Insurance and Life Insurance? You dont quibble or debate whether you should be paying for these 'pieces of paper', do you?

Also, what kind of stupidity is this? I don't pay for a piece of paper, I pay insurance to help me out financially if and when I need it. Its not always perfect, but its miles more usefull than a gun in my cellar.

[edit on 23-6-2008 by scepticsteve]

If you recall reading my post on page 2, you will see I have outlined 3 scenarios for MY sitx that are very real. While they may not carry the same weight globally, the scenarios are real and in my case have the potential to be life changing.

I remind again that sitx does mean teotwawki, it means being responsible for your own and not being reduced to holding signs on tv bitching about fema forgetting about us when it happens.

Our forum was created out of desire to learn and exchange ideas.
The downside is continually having to explain our motivations to passers by who think we are alarmists.

Originally posted by shadow watcher
If you recall reading my post on page 2, you will see I have outlined 3 scenarios for MY sitx that are very real. While they may not carry the same weight globally, the scenarios are real and in my case have the potential to be life changing.

I remind again that sitx does mean teotwawki, it means being responsible for your own and not being reduced to holding signs on tv bitching about fema forgetting about us when it happens.

Our forum was created out of desire to learn and exchange ideas.
The downside is continually having to explain our motivations to passers by who think we are alarmists.

I just looked at your other post and you seem to have missed my point that planning for reasonably likely events such as hurricanes (if you live in such an area) is just good sense.

But if it was just that simple, people would not be talking about it on ATS. Your planning seems sensible. But It seems that some are just being paranoid. I think that is the point of this thread.

Originally posted by scepticsteve

Originally posted by Wotan
I take it you have Motor Insurance, Health Insurance, Home Insurance, Contents Insurance and Life Insurance? You dont quibble or debate whether you should be paying for these 'pieces of paper', do you?

Also, what kind of stupidity is this? I don't pay for a piece of paper, I pay insurance to help me out financially if and when I need it. Its not always perfect, but its miles more usefull than a gun in my cellar.

[edit on 23-6-2008 by scepticsteve]

Okay, I was being flippant slightly when I said a 'piece of paper' but that is exactly what it is, if you do not claim from your policy. I was just trying to equate the two together, perhaps not a good example.

I am ex-forces and I was a keen outdoorsman, so hence my interest in a lot of 'camping - bushcraft' type pursuits. Being a Nurse I am interested in the healthcare side of Survivalism/Situation X's and its impact on the human body. Survivalism (in all its forms) is not something new to me, just revived and renewed interest, I am of the 1980's survival 'fad'.

As for my Situation X scenario(s); Remember everyone will be different. For me, it could be environmental/climatic (I live on an Island), I also believe that bio-terrorism is a distinct possibility. Civil unrest is also a distinct possibility. Of course we cant forget Terrorism in all its shapes and forms, going from bombings to possible NBC scenarios or other atrocities - How soon we forget the IRA and other terror organisations.

Living on an Island, even one as big as the Isle of Wight, it does not take much to cut us off from the mainland - severe weather (The Great Storm), strikes can affect supplies, Operation Solfire, Foot & Mouth Disease (quite recently), power cables could be cut to the mainland, Prison Breaks (we have 3 prisons here). Every year there are times when the IOW Ferries do not operate because of bad weather or mechanical breakdowns.

So basically thats me in a nutshell. I am not the Rambo type, more of a humanitarian type and someone with a strong will to survive anything.

I remember one time only buying a single roll of toilet paper.
When the roll ran dry and I wasn't....well let's just say....I was REALLY up shat creek without a paddle!

Having a buffer between you and no shelter, no food, no water, no money, no energy, no transportation, etc is a WISE thing.

Dear Gods I hope that wisdom isn't a fad!



[edit on 23-6-2008 by bismarcksea]

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I do not see any wisdom in survivalism. being prepared for martial law, meteorites, plagues, the antichrist, nuclear war, and etc. alot of survivalist are the nutscase religious wierdo types who thinks they can dodge God in thier basement or have a huge rambo fantasy of taking on the entire US military in a firefight.

Yes if you live flood or hurricane prone areas you should prepare. preps are not insurance becuase you do not know what you are insuring against.

Since when did the wise act foolishly? is it possible for the fools the teach wisdom?

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Do you not read any posts or thread properly in this forum? The answers to lots of your questions are already posted. Most of us are sick to death in having to repeat them to the likes of you.

You are nothing but a Troll. Get back under your bridge!

No the op is not a troll.

This is a common opinion often unspoken in CT world... Because those of us who agree with the OP don't want to here the suvivalists rant and rave about how stupid we are, because we disagree with them.

Read these... There written by a great band, who embraces a lot of CT (specially paranormal)

Nine Inch Nails
Survivalism
(written by Trent Reznor)

I should have listened to her,
so hard to keep control.
We kept on eating but our
bloated bellies still not full.
She gave us all she had but
we went and took some more.
Can't seem to shut her legs our
mother nature is a whore.

I got my propaganda I got revisionism.
I got my violence in hi-def ultra-realism.
I'm a part of this great nation.
I got my fist I got my plan I got survivalism.

Hypnotic sound of siren
echoing through the street.
The cocking of the rifles,
the marching of the feet.
You see your world on fire,
don't try to act surprised.
We did just what you told us.
Lost our faith along the way and found ourselves believing your lies.

I got my propaganda I got revisionism.
I got my violence (and) I got ultra-realism.
I'm a part of this great nation.
I got my fist I got my plan I got survivalism.

All bruised and broken bleeding,
she asks to take my hand.
I turn just keep on walking.
But you'd do the same thing in the circumstance I'm sure you understand.

I got my propaganda I got revisionism.
I got my violence, I got ultra-realism.
I'm a part of this great nation.
I got my fist I got my plan I got survivalism.


Bold emphasis mine...

You see... Survivalists are selfish. They'd rather kill, or step over others to survive. Survivalists FEED THE CYCLE. If you really want to live in a disaster you have to be willing to help others, who in turn will help you!

I thought man evolved past cro-magnon eons ago... Obviously if we are willing to kill or let another do without for our own benefit, some of us (at least) have not.




Coven

Originally posted by Wotan
reply to post by heliumboy

 

Do you not read any posts or thread properly in this forum? The answers to lots of your questions are already posted. Most of us are sick to death in having to repeat them to the likes of you.

You are nothing but a Troll. Get back under your bridge!

Hahahahaha...

Get back under your bridge...... Love it.

Do TPTB have people who come in just to try and 'calm all us prepardness folks down' ??

If so.... get back under your bridges... we ain't no foo !

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My family is still in NOLA. One sister's street had no power for nearly a month after Katrina but she was doing laundry and running a window a/c in one room of her home right after the storm and flooding. Of course, she had two generators and plenty of fuel.

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And your post just shows how ignorant you are.

Well, you are very much mistaken.


[edit on 23/6/08 by Wotan]

Though I respect your opinion, I believe you are completely wrong.

Survivalism is a way of life. A Survivalist doesn't merely stock up on groceries and wait for "the Rapture" or something silly like that...

Some may say a Survivalist is simply a person that rolls with the punches life throws. Others will wax poetic about Survivalists as a people that pro actively take charge of their life and surroundings and adapt their personal and familial procedures according to world events to ensure a fruitful life for future generations. And most, until recently may have thought that a Survivalist is just another Reality Television show.

No matter how you define the term Survivalist, it just makes sense to me.

You do not need to be extraordinarily gifted to see the future for America and the world as a whole.

The Earth has been acting like an itchy dog a little more than usual lately...

Earthquakes, Cyclones, and Tornadoes wiping out thousands of lives without a moments notice.

The Geo-political powers that be are playing the X-Game version of Russian roulette with its constituents and military slaves, sending them hither and thither to fix a problem that was created by their unquenchable thirst for power.

People are rioting in the streets and killing each other over food.

Are we so obtuse to think this cannot and will not happen to us soon? Why, because we are Americans? Yeah, right.

That rhetoric went out the window in 2001. The party is over! It's time to clean up the mess we made over the last 150 years of Industrialism and go back to work; FOR OURSELVES!

That's Survivalism... Not a fad, but an educated and motivated way of life!

Originally posted by heliumboy
I will sit tight and do nothing. .

Today's 'Darwin Award' goes to heliumboy.

*yes, one it's one line. But it says it all.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by heliumboy
I will sit tight and do nothing. .

Today's 'Darwin Award' goes to heliumboy.

*yes, one it's one line. But it says it all.

Haha Its a bloody good job early man did'nt think that way, otherwise Homo Sapiens would be extinct ...... Planet of the Apes anyone?

dude, survival is like sooooo 1800s.