2 Billion May Suffer From Cell Phone Cancer By 2020

reply to post by Quazga


Yes, but some people apparently need the actors to come forth and specifically state that the videos were fake otherwise they'll beleive it's true despite:

• A news source claiming it's fake.
  
• A website promoting products which has the FULL advertisement which they, themselves, call fake
  
• It's physically impossible
  

Sometimes I do wonder if some people have anything 'up there' so to speak. They beleif ANYTHING that is fed to them contrary to the evidence. I would wonder if they would beleive the Terminator series to be true unless Arnie came out and specifically stated that it was fake through Youtube.

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Originally posted by GrayFox
I'm sorry. I'm not buying this. Most studies suggest there is no link and there is nothing to prove a link. I don't trust this study.

Don't forget there is NO link between smoking and cancer.......unless you extend the study beyond 20 years!!!! Oh dear mobile phones have only really taken off 10 years ago.

Microwave radiation affects living tissue, if it didn't microwave ovens wouldn't work. The frequency of the radiation relates to its power and microwaves are far far more energetic than radio (2 way) waves. The frequency of the radiation from a microwave oven is the same as from phones. Would you put your head next to the microwave when its cooking your dinner? No? But you would expose your head to the same radiation whilst chatting to your pals whilst your dinner is cooking.....hmmmm.

It may well be that there is no affect but it is far too soon to say. It will take another 10-15 years before we start to see any statistically significant affects. Unfortunately by that time, should it be true, then millions of people will have fried their brains beyond repair.

One last point - maths. The energy in a signal decreases by the square of the distance i.e. twice as far 4 times less energy. So here's a small thing to try: Determine the distance of detection for a mast (eg 500m). determine the distance of a phone from your brain (eg .02m). Now divide the two, square it and you have the ratio of the power from phone necessary for the mast to detect. Lovely number!! Remember satellite phones from the past, even better numbers woweee.

Lucky for me I hate the damn things and take mine with me as least as possible.

Originally posted by thefreepatriot
reply to post by Long Lance

 

Walkie talkie users aren't constantly using it for hours on end... and they don't have super powerful transmitter antennas usually sitting in the middle of neighborhoods (they dont have them at all) whats funny is close to where I live and I really need to take a picture because. it shows just how stupid we are as a society.. there is a cancer hospital.. and it sits right next to major powerlines.....

uh oh, so all patients have to come from these powerlines' neighborhood? power lines don't radiate anyway, they're meant to transport power from A to B, and are therefore a different subject altogether.

your point about base stations is true on its surface, but large radio transmitters (think TV broadcast) have been around for a while, even though these were never as numerous, of course. their more isolated nature should have produced recognisable patterns around them if the threat were that great, which did not happen. 2 billion people, that would mean at least every other user.

older handheld devices really are the only thing to compare modern cellphones to, due to proximity alone and it did not happen. if two hours on end will inflict damage while more intermittent talk won't, then you would be right, although i wonder if such an all-or-nothing effect is all that likely.


the bottom line is that microwaves aren't new by any standard and an effect as pronounced as claimed by the article would have been identified long ago, because risk groups like radar operators would have died out if it was even remotely true.

Originally posted by malcr

Don't forget there is NO link between smoking and cancer.......unless you extend the study beyond 20 years!!!! Oh dear mobile phones have only really taken off 10 years ago.

i'd wager it just took them 20 years to overcome the tobacco lobby. smoke shouldn't really be inhaled anyway, which was obvious to anyone who wanted to know.

cellphones might not be totally harmless, i'll give you that but the 2 bn figure was just used for shock value and the rest does not gain any (much needed btw) credibility from it.

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reply to post by DimensionalDetective




This may be good news because millions of people are using cell phones. This could be just the tip of the iceberg. With millions of people in jeopardy, health insurance agents will be raking in the dough. Plus all the lawyers that will reap the benefits as well due to the countless lawsuits that will occur. And banks will be so bloated on everyone's deathbed it won't even be funny. I'm telling you this maybe a very good return of investment.

Wasn't there talk of electricity being the culprit to cancer? Basically we do not have a full understanding of electricity. We live in the electric field. We live in radio transmissions and beyond. Isn't that what they call true magic? But you would think the electro-magnet field would occur in everything electric, not just cell phones.

Anyway. I'm cashing in on these new opportunities. Why? All these cell phone companies suck up to the king of all cell phone companies.

reply to post by jetxnet


Every wireless device has to conform to the same set of standards concerning emissions, so there isn't really any difference between a Pocket PC, a mobile or a laptop with a wireless NIC card.

reply to post by malcr


Dude, a microwave oven is a damn site more powerful than a mobile phone. Your trying to compare a 1000W oven with a less than 1W phone.

So no, I wouldn't stick my head in an oven emitting 1KW of microwave energy, but I wouldn't have a problem using a mobile phone with emissions 1000 times less.

And you undo yourself with the microwave oven analogy anyway.

If what you said was remotely true, then you would cause damage to yourself in a very short space of time, as microwaves heat up molecules and it would be apparent immediately, as microwaves do not penetrate very well so damage would be on the surface.

This is quite obviously not the case.

In fact, it has been shown that the heating of living tissue by mobile phones is an order of magnitude less than that caused by direct sunlight, so are you saying we should all avoid the sun now?

I should be a melted sack of goo by now if this stuff was so dangerous to us, I've been working with phones and cellphones glued to my head for years, I feel fine, that and we have a CB radio tower actually built into our back yard about 20 feet from me right now, im sure thats got some good frequencys pumpin into my temples right now, oh yeeee

To the doubters:

Up until the late 1990's my employer used Motorola "trunked" 2-way radios in their vehicles. You used to see these in city and utility fleets, think of them as private-channel CB radios.

These radios worked off what is now the cell phone tower system, many even had keypads for making cell calls.

These radios also had warnings to stay clear of the antennas when broadcasting, to avoid radiation burns. IIRC you wanted metal shielding between you and the antenna mast (the vehicle's fender, cab roof, etc.) when sitting in the vehicle.

Now we're holding the same kinds of transmitters against our SKULLS, and talking for extended periods of time?? Yikes.

The long-term health effects DO need to be better understood.

This reminds me of the 1950's, when smoking was very prevalent.

Everyone knew it was bad, nobody understood just how bad. Those who smoked defended it with "I've smoked for (whatever length of time) and I'm not dead yet!".

Sound familiar?

Things will interesting when the long-term consequences start appearing.

Weeee another anti-mobile crusade tread...

Here's some documentation for ya:

Danish Research Results, spring 2008 - phones are virtually harmless

Olof Matteson comment in relations to the same research and just to clarify, the
results and experiments he's referring to are the ones previously made that showed that phones did damage:




Sometimes the sites that are on "our" side just don't know #... sorry

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I think the truth lies somewhere between "absolutely no risk" and "Sweet Mother of God, we're all going to die!" Just using common sense should tell a person that, if they spend all day with a powerful unnatural electromagnetic field generator jammed up to the side of their head, bad things could very well happen. However, common sense should also tell everyone that we live in a world with some loudmouthed technophobes who historically demonize and sensationalize risks from any new or upwardly "trendy" technology. Remember all the "Are microwaves killing Americans?" yellow journalism stories and "exposes" on the nightly news in the early to mid 80's? According to many of those by now we should all be sterile, have giant tumors growing out of our skin, and, for those "lucky" enough to not be sterile, have mutant children running around.

On the same hand, if you find yourself sensitive to EMF, cell phones probably aren't for you. The same goes for anyone who already has cancer in their head. Also, if you want to be really safe, it probably isn't a bad idea for pregnant women to avoid using cell phones for extended periods of time... but that's mostly because you're supposed to always err on the side of extreme caution if you're pregnant. Aside from that, unless we see a dramatic increase in distracted driving soccer moms plowing into people as they try to back out of the local Wallmart parking lot while ballancing a Jamba Juice in one hand and holding a cell phone to their ear in the other, I think 2 billion deaths is pushing it.

This is good news for global warming.

If 2 billion people drop dead than think about how much less global warming the're will be.

Wow....I am excited.

Is anyone going to keep count????


Please do.

reply to post by tomfrusso


i find your post amusing and saddening at the same time.

when railroads were high tech, going faster than 35mph was supposed to drive you insane or kill you, when radio was introduced, the same issues were feared to make a comeback (death&insanity i mean) and i think it's widely known that AC power was considered extremely deadly and gas lights were that much safer, or so scientific authorities claimed.


just one honest question, which is OT but deserves an honest answer:

What do you think will remain of AGW in 15 years?

Im not sure how much truth there is to cell phones being linked to cancer or illness, but I no longer own one and I likely never will again. My friends and co-workers look at me like I have a third eye ball on my forehead when I tell them I do not own a cell phone, like I am some rare dinosaur that ended up in modern day America or something.

I remember back when cell phones were first hitting the market there were people warning that they cause brain tumors. I recall a lot of police officers were being diagnosed with brain tumors and cancer as an effect of sitting in their patrol cars with their radar guns beaming right next to their heads all day long. Im not sure scientifically if they are the same types of waves being emitted, but the comparison of the two always made me nervous.

It wouldn't suprise me if cell phones and even microwave ovens will eventually be proven to cause all sorts of disorders. But the problem is if you live in a populated area then not only are you subject to the emissions of everyone around who does own a cell phone, but you are also caught in the field of range for the towers, which are likely the true source of ill health.

And for the record....I no longer own a cell phone because I can't stand the darn things. Why would you want to be at the beckoning call of that stupid contraption day and night? I don't ever wan't to be THAT available to people again. Never again will a cell phone monopolize my time and interrupt my life.


Just my own misguided outlook here...lol....but you guys can keep em.

One other issue I'd like to identify (and this seems like as good a thread as any to do so) are "phantom vibrations" from having your cell phone on vibrate mode. I have had to retrain myself after a couple of years of having my cell phone in my front pants pocket to not carry it next to my body as much as is possible. About 9 months ago I started thinking my phone was buzzing, only to dig it out, check it, and see nobody had called me. For all the world it felt like I was getting a call... only I wasn't.

I'd like to see this issue investigated with some fairness and impartiality to determine the cause. I've read a little on it and the answeres I've seen have been unsatisfactory. Most of the blame for the issue has been placed on the phone user's subconcious. One report quoted a psychologist who said it was an example of someone wanting to recieve a call or anticipating a call which involuntarilly caused their nerves to send a "the phone is buzzing, someone's calling!" signal to the user's brain. I don't buy that since I can go most of the day without even thinking about my phone and often don't get any calls. Also I get it even if I leave my phone at home. I have no idea what, exactly, causes it... but the subconcious mind doesn't sound like a correct diagnosis here.

Here a link to some interesting cell phone safety/dangers info I found a couple months back. For informational purposes only, of course.

" Cell phones transmit at maximum power when you switch them on and off, when you dial out, when it connects or disconnects, and when it is ringing. Hold the phone well away from your body when you dial out and wait until the person answers before you put the phone near your ear. Hold the phone away from you when you finish the call and switch it off. When you are texting, hold the phone away from your body to send or receive a message.

When your cell phone is on standby, put it in a bag or somewhere away from you and others. Whenever possible, switch the phone off and keep it off between calls.

Males should not hold a cell phone on their lap when making calls, nor when sending or receiving a text message. The testicles are particularly vulnerable to microwave radiation."

www.earthrainbownetwork.com...

Originally posted by gb540



Now we're holding the same kinds of transmitters against our SKULLS...

Not even close.

Originally posted by tinfoil hatter

Males should not hold a cell phone on their lap when making calls, nor when sending or receiving a text message. The testicles are particularly vulnerable to microwave radiation."

I call shenanigans on that one. I didn't own a cell phone the first 4 years my wife and I were married. We never used any form of protection and had no children. I get a cell phone and we had two kids spaced 15 months apart and yes, before some wiseass gets cute, both of them look quite a bit like me. Of course what are personal experiences when stacked up against some "scientist's" agenda?

Funny how people are quick to debunk that nothing in their environment causes cancer when in fact cancer was more prevalent in the 20th century then say 1800's for instance. Anything not of natural origin can cause cancer. The food you are eating is causing cancer right now. Infact its a slow progressing disease that can take many years to come about if not sooner.
I do believe phones cause cancer especially monitors. As several in the hospital i worked out all ahd brain tumors and they all said they were on the computer almost 24/7 for work and pleasure.
Throw technology at people make them like it, tell them it gives them cancer and you all cry like babies.
We should be going back to nature thats the best life!

I hope people do know cancer isnt some sort of disease that God or the devil punishes people with. It is infact a cause of man-made destruction.

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