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Originally posted by azblack
It's funny when you start to see people argueing over such small differences, when it's painfully obvious both can be right. If you can't realize that, all involved in this conversation are truely close minded!!
Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
*sighs heavily*
Whislt i accept that there is a possibility of there being a god (i'm agnostic), that doesn't mean it should be taught in a school, that's what churches are for. If there were a god i reckon he/she/it would make evolution happen as it would be the most efficient way of doing things, imagine god creating every little thing, don't think god would enjoy it.
So if we accept evolution as fact even if god started it, then evolution should be taught in schools and god left out of the equation, god should be taught in church, where it belongs. Afterall the church is gods house, so go and ring the doorbell there.
Originally posted by azblack
I take it to reason you sigh heavily before making a reply is because you don't have an answer that isn't going to be torn apart..
Originally posted by azblack
Just because you believe god should only be taught in churches everyone else has to abide by that?
Originally posted by azblack
The point of this whole conversation was whether or not teaching creationism is unfair,, The answer is no, if taught, and regulated properly..
Originally posted by azblack
The issue is people want god in schools. It's possible, if people ignore their differences, to have all religions taught, not the whole spill, but a basic history of, or as philosophy, spiritual type class, being fair to everyone.
Originally posted by azblack
If the majority of the people in my area believe we should -fairly- implement some religious influence into our childrens lives. We should have that right.
Originally posted by azblack
What if they forced what they believed religiously on your kids??
I find it hard to believe someone would believe it's impossible to just, include religion somewhere in schools.
Originally posted by azblack
I personally believe divine influence started evolution, or A.I., or the big bang, my point; evidence right now doesn't indicate for sure either way, so why wouldn't they be included as possible creation theories. To exclude a theory because you or anyone else -believes- differently is what is unfair.
Originally posted by azblack
These theories or religions you are bent on excluding have been around longer than our country has, have never been disproven. In true science, or logical thought, no theory is excluded unless completely disproved, until then they are all possibilities.
Originally posted by azblack
You seem quick to throw out century old theories as to our creation, with no evidence they didn't occur.. Just because YOU don't believe them for no reason doesn't mean YOU can force ignorance on MY children!
Originally posted by ahornsby
how can it be unfair. teaching only evolution is unfair. if you are teaching one you might as well teach both because,evolution has become a religion for athiest
Originally posted by Clearskies
reply to post by Equinox99
Or, maybe creationism could be given some funds and time to 'get it together', THEN have a class on it.
Right now, there seems to be variations and different 'takes' by different ministries.
Because ministries are about the only ones doing the research.
Originally posted by azblack
If the majority of the people in my area believe we should -fairly- implement some religious influence into our childrens lives. We should have that right.
Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
reply to post by AshleyD
Would be interested ot see your replies then ashley, and i mean logical replies, ones that don't require faith. That's the problem you see, as a kid i had similar questions, and some more besides. Asking them got me into trouble because they coudln't be answered to my satisfaction. Simply saying "There was nothing before god" or "God has always been here", doesn't quite get to the nub of the matter for me. It takes a leap of faith to believe those things, even as a child my brain rebelled against such silly things.
Originally posted by Ferdane
And what in macro evolution and everything appearing from nothing does not require faith?
Originally posted by azblack
The big bang theory being 50:50 is a theory, not fact. This is the theory you would accept over the same logical explination for the same instance.
Originally posted by azblack
Who is really being un-fair, You who claims one theory is better than the other for no particular evidenciary reason's except you don't believe in it!1
Originally posted by azblack
Science must accept all theories as possibility until proven otherwise. The exculsion of any other theory without factual proof is accepting your own lack of pragmatic thinking. If you have no proof it isn't true you set your self up for ridicule!,
Originally posted by azblack
I have already stated to you on numerous occasions Ibelieve 100 percent in evolution. I also believe the bible helps prove it, no one will argue that case because you are so livid in destroying any ounce of faith.
Originally posted by azblack
We are not argueing about evolution, it would be stupid for me to argue about somethng I believe in, What we are discussing is creationism, right? The big bang theory has facts in the theory, but still is just a guess at how everything started, The religious creationism is the same thing, just you haven't taken the time to really research it.
Originally posted by azblack
The Bible in Genesis says God created everything in 6 days rested on the 7th. But then it goes on to talk of Adam and Eve, how they ate from the tree of knowledge then god changed them, it proves evolution if you read it word for word and keep an open mind.
Originally posted by azblack
What do you consider the God I speak about, do you think I believe there's some really big guy up there pushing buttons. I believe several things, all of which I will not list, but I belive the god spoken of in the Bible is the force which drives life, a cosmic power which hasn't and may never be completely understood. Evolution explains only that which I can see or observe, what really drives it? There are things we don't understand and I don't limit my thoughts to only scientific explination. For instance If I steal something I believe what other religions call Karma, eventually this act will come back to me. This cannot be proven,only you experience those individual circumstances. You prefer us to be a society free from morals where people don't believe in anything unless they can see it with their own eyes and prove it? The world is much bigger than that, I believe
Originally posted by azblack
I would never call someone who believes something different than me, blind. I can see, I believe in those things you can see for yourself, however that's not the only senses you are equipped with. One of our senses are easily fooled without the correspondence of the others. You say I'm blind but, indeed, I do see the things in science they are easy to see, I also believe in original thought. You cna't rely on what other people have taught you completely with all these quotes of theory from some other guy's work. At which point do you figure something out for yourself, and open your senses to ideas which don't fit the models you have been taught.
Originally posted by azblack
I don't believe in God as one person up there pushing buttons, I don't believe much which is traditional, I also wouldn't believe in your candy floss universe, But I have a mind which would be open to that theory, I can't disprove it!