Israel's Messianic Jews Under Attack

reply to post by ZeroKnowledge


then should i debate Israeli Apartheid , Mr.'know -it-all' ignorant

fact is fact Israel is a racist apartheid . Even US president Jimmy Carter admits it

reply to post by Beelzebubba

God help the Muslims if this is how those who deviate from Talmudic scripture are treated.

and its no surprise , as to why the muslim world hates Israel

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reply to post by manson_322


you do know your going to get gunned down (phrase gun downed means, harsh replies) by the ATS eliete
on the fact that you brought in carter

its no supprise that israel is a aparthied state
it treats none jews like dirt and its not like anyone will or can do anything

Originally posted by bodrul
reply to post by manson_322

 

you do know your going to get gunned down (phrase gun downed means, harsh replies) by the ATS eliete
on the fact that you brought in carter

its no supprise that israel is a aparthied state
it treats none jews like dirt and its not like anyone will or can do anything

and i personally don't care about the what those zionazis say , these zionists have some real crappy arguement , to support israeli apartheid , which have been ripped to shreds by human rights organziations like Amnesty,UNHRC etc

but sadly such reports does not come to light in the global mass media,except pro-israeli BS

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Since people are attacking Israel as being intolerant and totalitarian,

Can someone name some nation in the Middle East, North Africa or Near East that is more tolerant or free than Israel?

I am having a hard time coming up with one,

Saudi Arabia
Iran
Iraq

are some of the most intolerant places on earth.

Heck even in so called Free Afghanistan, Muslims who convert to anything can be given the death penalty. This law is almost universal from North Africa to the Near East, either in official or unofficial capacity.

I shouldn't even need to bring up blood feuds and honor killings.

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
Can someone name some nation in the Middle East, North Africa or Near East that is more tolerant or free than Israel?

The country you are searching for was called Lebanon - until the Israelis bombed their tolerance and freedom.

Jon

reply to post by manson_322


Of course you can call anyone you want anything, as long as you want and of course,need.
The simple fact is that Israel is not an apartheid state. Third of my course in university were Arabs, majority of them lived in the same city that i live in so use of apartheid is just another dirt that is thrown by interested or simply misinformed individuals. I worked in the same place and held the same job with person of different ethnic group which is nothing extraordinary. To better understand the concept of what apartheid is you should look up what apartheid system says. Then you can compare. That is if you really want to know the issue,and not if you brought the thing just for :

blah blah blah

,as someone said.


There are a lot of cases of discrimination which is of course a bad thing as it is. But Israel is only 60 years old, it was and is fighting for its life and some issues are not as i would like it to be mainly because priorities do not allow to concentrate efforts on all problems, however when it will (and it will ) reach the same age as US i am sure that these problems will also be solved.
There are countries the same age as Israel - like Pakistan - that also has discrimination issues unsolved (yet) and they had fewer wars. I will give them time.
I heard that there are problems with missionaries too.

reply to post by Voxel


From my understanding Lebanon didn't collapse due to the Israelis but to internal pressures and those finally exploded in 1975.

The Israelis really didnt get involved until Three years later in 1978.

It was not until 1981 that Israel bombed Beirut, by that time most of Lebanon was already in ruins due to fighting from Christians militias, Muslim militias, the PLO, and Syrian troops.






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reply to post by Voxel


I agree that Lebanon was the only descent peacefull country - but just for your information, when Israel intervened and invaded there was a bloody civilian war going on. It kind of blows the tolerance thing before bombs.

reply to post by ZeroKnowledge

The simple fact is that Israel is not an apartheid state.

more BS ...

this article is from Shulamit Aloni,former Education Minister of Israel.

Shulamit Aloni is the former Education Minister of Israel. She has been awarded both the Israel Prize and the Emil Grunzweig Human Rights Award by the Association for Civil Rights in Israel.

This Road is for Jews Only
Yes, There is Apartheid in Israel
By SHULAMIT ALONI

Jewish self-righteousness is taken for granted among ourselves to such an extent that we fail to see what's right in front of our eyes. It's simply inconceivable that the ultimate victims, the Jews, can carry out evil deeds. Nevertheless, the state of Israel practises its own, quite violent, form of Apartheid with the native Palestinian population.

The US Jewish Establishment's onslaught on former President Jimmy Carter is based on him daring to tell the truth which is known to all: through its army, the government of Israel practises a brutal form of Apartheid in the territory it occupies. Its army has turned every Palestinian village and town into a fenced-in, or blocked-in, detention camp. All this is done in order to keep an eye on the population's movements and to make its life difficult. Israel even imposes a total curfew whenever the settlers, who have illegally usurped the Palestinians' land, celebrate their holidays or conduct their parades.

If that were not enough, the generals commanding the region frequently issue further orders, regulations, instructions and rules (let us not forget: they are the lords of the land). By now they have requisitioned further lands for the purpose of constructing "Jewish only" roads. Wonderful roads, wide roads, well-paved roads, brightly lit at night--all that on stolen land. When a Palestinian drives on such a road, his vehicle is confiscated and he is sent on his way.

On one occasion I witnessed such an encounter between a driver and a soldier who was taking down the details before confiscating the vehicle and sending its owner away. "Why?" I asked the soldier. "It's an order--this is a Jews-only road", he replied. I inquired as to where was the sign indicating this fact and instructing [other] drivers not to use it. His answer was nothing short of amazing. "It is his responsibility to know it, and besides, what do you want us to do, put up a sign here and let some antisemitic reporter or journalist take a photo so he that can show the world that Apartheid exists here?"

Indeed Apartheid does exist here.
www.counterpunch.org...

and this is from a South African himself ,

BISHOP DESMOND TUTU, the South African Nobel Prize winner, described how he saw on his visit to Israel "much like what happened to us black people in South Africa. I have seen the humiliation of the Palestinians at checkpoints and roadblocks, suffering like us when young white police officers prevented us from moving about" (1). Comparisons between apartheid South Africa and Israel/Palestine have often been made, but not always clearly explained. Many factors have made the comparison attractive.

Israelis have always been horrified at the idea of parallels between their country, a democracy risen from the ashes of genocide, and the racist system that ruled the old South Africa. Yet even within Israel itself, accusations persist that the web of controls affecting every aspect of Palestinian life bears a disturbing resemblance to apartheid. After four years reporting from Jerusalem and more than a decade from Johannesburg before that, the Guardian's award-winning Middle East correspondent Chris McGreal is exceptionally well placed to assess this explosive comparison. Here we publish the first part of his two-day special report
www.guardian.co.uk...

more sources on israeli aparthied:
www.apartheidweek.org...
students confronting israeli apartheid :
www.stanford.edu...


reply to post by MikeboydUS

UAE is really a peaceful place in the middle east

Saudi Arabia is supported heavily by US govt , Iraq was a secular state under Hussein till USA bombed the nation to oblivion,and USA overthrow the democractic govt in 1953 , the result of which ultimately the Iranian revolution happened

There are countries the same age as Israel - like Pakistan - that also has discrimination issues unsolved (yet) and they had fewer wars. I will give them time.

secondly , I am not a Pakistani okay .....

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reply to post by manson_322


Well, i liked the term - "roads for Jews". I can second that vehicles of Palestinians in west bank (also was in Gaza) are not allowed on certain roads ,witnessed it myself. But i can also witness that Israeli Arabs, Bedouins and every Israeli citizen could (and was) use them. You know why?
Because there was no chance that those guys will shoot anybody from their car, not the case with Palestinian population. Hundreds of people were killed from road ambushes (not virtual - like the one you prepared for me) ,more wounded. And thus the concept of no entry to Palestinian cars was born. I do not agree that it is apartheid - people of all races can use them! As long as there is no chance of shootings!
The situation is not normal, so is the "solution".
And there are roads closed for Israeli citizens (yes,including Jews, Arabs and other ethnic groups) but open for Palestinians - for the same reason - prevent bloodshed.
www.ynetnews.com...
Since there is a peace process between Israel and Palestinians, i think that it is there to end existing conflict between two, don't you agree?

reply to post by manson_322


I can't see Iraq under Hussein as being better than Israel in terms of tolerance and freedom.

I understand the UAE is a peaceful nation, but its also a Feudal State. It could also be considered an Apartheid state, as 85% of its population is non Arab and non Persian. Meaning a small minority rules over the majority, a small minority that is feudal.

. Sexual and religious discrimination is commonplace in employement. Islam is the official religion of the country. It has very comparable laws to Israel in regards to missionaries. Which are forbidden to proseltyze. Sharia law is in effect, even for Non Muslims. Segregation has been reported and gay rights is non existant

It has been reported that prisoners who convert to Islam get reduced sentences and those converts who can memorize the Quaran can actually get pardons.

The nation's ISP has blocked various religious websites. Muslim women cannot marry non Muslims. Anti Semitic material has appeared in media.
Freedom of speech and press are restricted.

In a number of ways Israel has more liberal reforms than the UAE. The most important being that Israel is a democratic state. Freedom of speech, press, and religion are less restricted. Censorship and sexual discrimination are not as prominent.




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