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Originally posted by Majorion
Interesting points SC, this is as close as I've ever seen you come to some sort of recognition of a cover up btw.
Originally posted by Majorion
But could you elaborate further as a skeptic on the statement you just made?.. are you suggesting that we(humans) may be somehow prone to extraterrestrials or vice versa?
Originally posted by Majorion
.. and why/how would this serve as a reason for cover up?
Originally posted by SaviorComplex
I do not buy some of the more conventional reasons for the cover-up. it would not be because the evil United States government wants to control free-energy or techology
Originally posted by SaviorComplex
if an alien craft crashed here, it would be akin to a the Sentinelese finding a crashed-stealth bomber.
Originally posted by SaviorComplex
If contact does pose a biological threat, the cover-up may be to ensure that any exposure is contained and dealt with.
Originally posted by Majorion
But you have to agree that telling people something like; "hey, we've been engaged by extraterrestrials, and have been covering it up for over 60 years" might understandably cause at least a bit of chaos, not just in the U.S. but perhaps the entire world.
Originally posted by Majorion
I often wonder how a nation like Kuwait, or Saudi Arabia, or Iran may react to such information being released.
Originally posted by Majorion
With respect, I have to disagree with the above theory, it just doesn't add up or make sense to me. Even if this were true, I still fail to see why it would be a reason for such super imposed secrecy for over 60 years.
UFOs and foo fighters justifiably fall within the study of folklore and psychology, not the fields of physics and engineering.
The very nature of "belief legends," such as tales about ghosts, devils and the fairy people of antiquity, implies a greater reality than that which can be explained by using a natural and scientific method, thus it is lab[e]led as "super-" natural. In this sen[s]e the foo fighters are of a supernatural variety but they do not imply beliefs in the supernatural as such.
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These types of beliefs fall within the genre of folklore known as belief legends, more precisely, technological belief legends.
So, this alleged government coverup was whole-heartedly due to the shoddy research habits of the Ufologists themselves.
What I think is really important here is that this is a reflexive phenomenon on many different levels. The first, and most obvious, is that these Ufologist lacked the ability and the language skills needed to accurately request these documents from these archivists and document custodians.
Originally posted by johnjohn808
But more importantly, we should be asking why are the UFOs themselves being so secretive? They are the ones sneaking around.
reply to post by Rotwang17
So, this alleged government coverup was whole-heartedly due to the shoddy research habits of the Ufologists themselves. ...
Please forgive my snottyness here, but this is the heart and soul of the modern UFO cover-up conspiracy, purely amateur research.
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So let's call my theory the Researcher Fallibility Theory.
Has there ever been a report of a flying saucer, captain, that's was translated in to hard-information, right here, a plot on the board in this room.
I don't think so Bill, for the reason, that these sightings have never been substantiated and could not be translated in to hard radar return figures.
There have been sightings then but they've turned out to be other things, airplanes or balloons ...
But never a saucer.
You see everything up to roughly 100,000 ft?
Yes that's right, up to approximately 100,000 ft at which point the space tracking network takes over.
Against Method - Paul Feyerabend
There is no idea, however ancient and absurd, that is not capable of improving our knowledge. The whole history of thought is absorbed into science and is used for improving every single theory. Nor is political interference rejected. It may be needed to overcome the chauvinism of science that resists alternatives to the status quo.
In my estimation ufology is an interdisciplinary subject that calls on a number of specialties. To make my point, how can we rule out airborne vehicular devices if we don't consult pilots, aerospace engineers, and radar specialists to inquire whether these objects fall outside the parameters of modern-day technology? Likewise if man-made objects can be ruled out shouldn't we consult meteorologists, astronomers, radar physicists, atmospheric physicists and atmospheric chemists to confirm that we're not mislabeling a known spacial or atmospheric phenomenon? Even when these avenues run dry we still have theoretical and quantum physicists to help make sense of bizarre behaviors as predicted by the current state-of-the-art of cosmology.
"Pilots do not have sufficient information about phenomena of disorientation, and, as a corollary, are given considerable disorganized, incomplete, and inaccurate information. They are largely dependent upon their own experience, which must supplement and interpret the traditions about 'vertigo' which are passed on to them. When a concept thus grows out of anecdotes cemented together with practical necessity, it is bound to acquire elements of mystery. So far as 'vertigo' is concerned, no one really knows more than a small part of the facts, but a great deal of the peril. Since aviators are not skilled observers of human behavior, they usually have only the vaguest understanding of their own feelings. Like other naive persons, therefore, they have simply adopted a term to cover a multitude of otherwise inexplicable events."(Vinacke, Edgar. 8 May 1946. "The Concept of Aviator's 'Vertigo.'" Report No.#7. U.S. Naval School of Aviation Medicine, Project (X-148-Av-4-3). Reprinted in Journal of Aviation Medicine. 1948. 19:158-190)