BREAKING: Prophet Yahweh TRIES TO TWIST Challenge to Summon UFOs For ATS and FAILS

Originally posted by TKainZero
I see Springer changed the title of the thread...

Did he post anything?

or did he just change the thread title to try to make other look bad?

No, If you read the thread you would know
Bahway was contacted and given the proposal Springer mentioned he would follow through with. It was accepted and then changed.

So from a debunkers debunker, you can construe it as
Well he accepted and then decided he needed to protect himself.

bah. all he had to do was ask for protection instead of setting up a pay-per-view

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reply to post by sir_chancealot


I contacted him through youtube, and now understand a little more about this situation. He wanted me to post what he said, but I don't want to be the middleman in this drama. He did make some reasonable points, and I think a lot of what has happened here has been misinterpreted simply because of indirect contact. It would be best if the head guys were to talk to him directly and come to an agreement, as I honestly think one could actually be made to satisfy both sides demands based on what he said, and what Springer has said. Perhaps its a waste of time and money, and the minds are already made up about him. No one at ATS is obligated to do that and I understand and respect that. If its too late so be it..I for one still wonder what would have happened if he was put on the spot and proper equipment was used..I think he genuinely believes he could call one down for ATS to view, whether it would actually happen, I guess we will never know.

reply to post by Freezer

I u2u'ed Springer & emailed PY, if they want to seriously talk and make this happen with smiles on everyone's faces, I'll be happy to be the initial middleman here...no problem. Just want to see this happen....no money or credit required

Is this thread the same title as it was last night?

I may be wrong, but I don't recall the "and fails" part of the thread title when I was reading through the replies.

Ummmmm......hasn't it been made clear, already, that this is a 'HOAX' thread??

I mean....yeah, a lot of pages, but read it, and you can see HOAX all over it. I think the Admin are restraining themselves, to their credit.

I won't!!

HOAX.

There....done. Curtain, please.......

reply to post by weedwhacker


I don't see a hoax yet, I see a challenge in negotiation. Both Springer and PY are making reasonable demands, it's everyone's emotional outbursts that are pulling this thread back and forth. How about a little more communication? I'm up for being a temporary conduit....

[edit on 18-6-2008 by Shakesbeer]

reply to post by defcon5


ca.youtube.com...

Here is the video of the guy in question... I saw this ages ago on a News Network it was very interesting... I personally am not going to say this is BS just because of how unlikely it seems.... maybe we dont get to pick and choose how we see something we've never seen before..

I feel like putting on my best Jack Bauer voice and saying, "We don't negotiate with terrorists!"

But I won't because I'm sure it would be in poor taste.

Now that the foolishness is over, I think it's time for the mods to resume enforcing the following T&C;

1d.) Cross-Posting: You will not cross-post content from other discussion boards (unless you receive advance permission from The Above Network, LLC). You will not post-by-proxy the material of banned members or other individuals who are not members, but have written a response to content within a thread on these forums.

The mighty prophet has stated he doesn't want to post on this board , yet he has no problems asking others to do it for him. He doesn't deserve any more free publicity on this boards expense. Give him enough time and he'll start to make look like your being unreasonable or some other crap.

[edit on 18-6-2008 by Tiloke]

Originally posted by tallcool1
Hey - I live in the Northwest, Washington state specifically, and I can summon Sasquatch at will...well if the temperature and wind direction and the witnesses attitudes are all in order. I also have a buddy in Tibet who can summon the Yeti (which of course is Sasquatch's cousin)if his parameters are met. So the 3 Amigos must come here and to Tibet since I have thrown down the gauntlet, otherwise you are not denying ignorance. Of course if the conditions are not right and there is no documented sighting, you are out your time and money - sorry. But I can assure you that I can provide a long distance, grainy film of what appears to be a tall, furry ape like creature. Anyone who disagrees or doesn't come see for themself is just a keyboard skeptic with no interest in finding the truth.

darn,

you had me going there for a minute. :\

i was thinking, 'gee.. i heard tree-knocking with thick wood or metal pole can attract them because they use it themselves for some form of communication, and is often heard in sighting-frequent areas..'

and then you go and blow it all for me! >

maybe the real YHWH has been telling me quietly that anyone who takes his name is a moron, which would explain my lack of participation in this thread.

i had an inkling of a shred of maybe this guy was a legit 'black sheep' (no racism intended) and just got bad-mouthed, that is until he posted this part of his reply email:

7.) It will also be made known, in the PR, that my live UFO summons, over the Internet, be pay-per-view for the world at large.

WTF? lol ...

pay-per-view .. OK .. but wait, you are demanding, much like Springer, that it is YOUR production, not his, or a neutral party. So in putting down someone who demands, you too are demanding these things to perpetrate your hoax. elsewhise, it would be impossible to do so for you under certain circumstances.

so now, lets just say this actually happened which it isn't now that profits have been thrown into the mix (silly prophet.. profit is for romans!) of prophets and theres just too much p-words involved entirely, even if he didn't successfully make the UFO appear, all the pay-per-view money wold go in his pocket anyway.

and it even shows in his subconscious psyche, as he writes, "my UFO summons" as I quoted. Summons? make to appear? wouldn't a better word be in order for someone so eloquent, as to not appear as one controlling the entire thing? oh wait, the prophet probably claims he is the one controlling the UFOs, "forcing them to appear in the name of YHWH" or something equally silly.

well, just this thread was enough to convince me, but ill admit i was already 99% convinced before reading it.

[edit on 6/18/2008 by runetang]

reply to post by Bspiracy


I followed the thread yesterday, up tot he first 9 pages...

Thanks for the update!

somehow i get the feeling this isn't over yet...

some of us think Prophet Yahweh proved himself to be a hoaxer, yet some more think making the demands that he made is only logical. and if you ask me, it seems morally right that he ought to be able to negotiate the terms from his side too. we can't rob him of his rights, and then call him a hoaxer.

think about it. the only reason we so adamantly supported the decision that the deal be one sided (ATS sided), is because we thought it necessary to limit the rights PY has, as he was proved to be a hoaxer before. but was he proved to be a hoaxer 100%? beyond any doubt? no! which is why we even humored him till now. if we're considering even a slight possibility that he might actually be able to do what he claims, then we need to be totally unbiased and treat him as equal to someone we're testing for the first time.

don't get me wrong, i'm not taking sides here. i agree some of his conditions (pay per view?), and statements (God wants a tenth of all the money???) are ridiculous! but hey, we need to give him the benefit of doubt. innocent until proven guilty beyond doubt, right? i mean, we need to humor him a bit more, if only to debunk him solidly once and for all. if we crack him, it'll be another medal for ATS in it's contribution to search for the truth.

all i'm saying is, we need to consider the remotest possibility that's he's genuine. because we, more than anyone, know how a different point of view, a new theory, a unique concept, and incredible claims have been laughed at, ridiculed, and discredited since the beginning, only to find truth in them later on. let's not go witch-hunting again.

let's not be ignorant of the possibilities. after all, that's what we're here for! to DENY IGNORANCE!

...also, i don't want prophet yahweh to later say that he offered to be tested by ATS, but ATS denied the challenge. that would make him look good, and ATS bad.

I think all of this is just 'free' avenue for him to set the stage for future monetary endeavors.

When the original escapade transpired a few years ago, he was then a basic 'no-body'.

His claims reached a local TV station who then in turn, gave him some recognition in the UFO community and elsewhere.

His website membership (which I believe cost money, $20+) grew, all based on his videos and claims.

Even though his claims could not be substantiated, and seemed to carry the stench of fraud... he still made money.


He has been out of the limelight for a while and his funds have probably run dry, why wouldn't he do what worked for him before?

Any publicity is GOOD publicity.

This thread should have been derailed and sent to SW as soon as it started.

it seems morally right that he ought to be able to negotiate the terms from his side too. we can't rob him of his rights, and then call him a hoaxer.

You're right, but look at want he's asking for.

He wants it to be pay-per-view. Now think about this. He says God talks through him and all that. If God was wanting to show UFO's through this guy and it was an event that would change the world, why would God tell him to charge people to see it? I mean if you could actually do this for real, you'd be proving to the world that not only do aliens exist, that God exists also. You'd get so much fame from that alone, you wouldn't need a pay-per-view event to make some money.

He says he'll supply armed guards because of the bad people out there who wish to debunk him. Why does he need armed guards to protect him from a bunch of us UFO/internet geeks? No offense to anyone Why exactly does he even have armed guards to begin with? God talks through him remember? If you had God talking through you and watching over you directly, wouldn't you feel protected enough? I mean you have THE God talking through you. I wouldn't feel that I needed to be protected by armed guards.

What's with all the racist talk he's bringing into it now? Comparing ATS to the KKK. Why is a man of God bringing racism into it for?

How come he won't do it unless he gets to pick the location or at least know about the location before hand? If he can do this at will, he wouldn't need to do this. He'd be able to do it anytime and anywhere he wanted.

It's all because he's a con man wanting to make some money. Anything that happens is a win-win situation for him because he's a con-man who knows how to put a twist on anything to make him look legit when he's not.

[edit on 18-6-2008 by nightmare_david]

So does this mean ATS will not be interviewing this person with questions from members?

Just because someone might be abe to find free energy.. this does not mean this same person will be able to feed themselves when they do not know how to farm or hunt. They would still need to rely on others.

So yes.. negotiations "failed" or are on hold?... but the "test" did not fail as there were no tests done. This does not discredit Yahweh's claims of calling "objects".

Nothing more then two kids with bloated egos...

If there is a middle man.. mayhap he can direct Yahweh to where the questions are? I will say now that I will not pay for my questions to be answered.

If You could ask Prophet Yahweh a question...

how about this: ATS picks him up, no means of communication with anyone else is allowed, provides all the video equipment so they know it isn't rigged, chooses the desert that meets PY requirements.

If ATS finds the event unsatisfactory, the video documentation is ATS'. If ATS cannot disprove the event then PY owns the video documentation exclusively for 2 months.

What do you think?

I say give the dude a chance. Sounds like he is willing to take the challenge to me. Hey prophet - since you are reading the threads give the ATS boys a break and show them what you can do. If you are a true spiritual man you should know that this is far greater than mighty whitie putting the black man down. You can either call the ufo or not. Both of you need to step up to the plate and get it on. I believe!

Heck, after seeing the news clip on the prophet I am more inclined to believe him than half of the other undigestible junk that some of the people post here. I mean talking to the paleadians or the prophet summoning ufo's, which one sounds more realistic? They are both crazy ideas, but at least we have some form of proof with the prophet whether it is fake or not.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by defcon5

 

ca.youtube.com...

Here is the video of the guy in question... I saw this ages ago on a News Network it was very interesting... I personally am not going to say this is BS just because of how unlikely it seems.... maybe we dont get to pick and choose how we see something we've never seen before..

Hey great find! I've been away from this thread for a few days and now it seems to have spun out of control with ego maniacs who can't handle the truth.

WTF? this guy seems quite genuine and he pulled off a UFO summons in front of the news crew. People are calling him a hoax? Who changed the title? Looks like someone is particular is trying to spin something to avoid eating one large crow!

Damn, an alien could come down and slap you (generally speaking) in the face and you would still cry hoax. This hoax crying bs is starting to get really really annoying

There are MANY reasons not to even give PY (Ramon Watkins) the time of day...

Here are some:

He's made numerous racist comments. From his previous statements (by YAHWEH, he means God):

YAHWEH is going to make know [sic] His demands to the world, through the prophets He sent to the earth. The main demand they will make will be that the modern day White so-called Jews, the Arab so-called Palestinians, and all other nationalities in the land of Israel, be immediately evacuated into neighboring countries.

He often talks about the evils of "whitey", etc., etc. and how the big, bad, black angels from outer space are coming down to set things right...and how the true tribes of Israel fled to Africa, etc., etc. Hey, to each his own, but he seems to mention race an awful lot, and always directs venom towards caucasians....and I just find his racist slant a bit offensive personally...

He's repeatedly contradicted himself. Talks about a vow of poverty, but then makes statements like this:

Because of how these UFO's and spaceships are appearing before me and allowing me to film them, I'm destined to be a wealthy man in the very near future. Maybe we can make money together on my research.

Not exactly meshing with this claim:

…After I continued calling down sightings, like the prophets of the bible, and UFOs started appearing, almost without fail, I prayed to the magnificent YAHWEH and told Him that if He would use me to signal His spaceships and UFOs before the eyes of the world, I would live a life of poverty and be totally dedicated to Him.

Or his personal ad back in the day...

Where is My African-American Queen?
I'm a brother who is loyal and devoted to the African-American woman. I love her, need her, and can't do without her!…She deserves a man (like me) who: believes in the Creator, prays daily, studies wisdom, seeks out understanding, and loves acquiring knowledge.

>In the ad, he’s listed as divorced with adult children…and with an income of “More than $150,000”

He's repeatedly failed such "tests" to summon UFOs, such as in 1997 (for Strange Universe), 2000 (for KNAZ), and in 2005 for KVBC: www.kvbc.com... , but of course, the 2005 debacle of predicting a UFO would hover over Las Vegas on July 15th for days (and then never occurred of course) pretty much sealed his fate in the UFO summoning biz...

Then of course there's this pic. Is it him? Is it someone else? The facts behind the pic, such as the site where it was posted (one of Mr. Watkin's domains, etc.) seem to support it being him. Judge for yourself I suppose...

photos1.blogger.com...

There's simply a lot to put on the "hoax" side of the scale for Mr. Watkins... The term "crackpot" almost fails to do justice....

You know, I've been reflecting a lot on yesterday's events, and I am still terribly disappointed that an agreement wasn't reached.

I must say, I feel that Springer's position of, "NO lawyers, NO negotiations, NO contracts, OUR way or nothing, take it or leave it", was somewhat unreasonable.

Look at it from Prophet's point of view. If it is true that he has been approached with various deals and offers and challenges before, and been burned - then it only makes sense that he would want to involve a lawyer, that he would want a negotiation process and a contract signing.

It's just smart business. CYA - Cover Your Ass!!! Right?

No one in their right mind would enter into a situation such as this without a signed agreement. Prophet felt a need to protect himself, legally, which only makes sense.

I really wish that Springer and PY could have begun some sort of direct conversation about this. On the phone, via email, in the thread - whatever. It is there that I feel I failed. If Springer and PY had, say, talked to each other on the phone, an agreement could possibly have been reached.

Prophet is certainly way off in trying to turn this into a "UFO summoning pay-per-view extravaganza" - when most of ATS doesn't even believe he can summon UFOs in the first place. Springer is certainly being reasonable in demanding that he prove his ability beyond a shadow of a doubt first.

But in not allowing Prophet any wiggle room to discuss and negotiate, in not allowing any lawyers to be involved or agreements to be signed.... I really feel that doomed this to failure before it could even get started.

Springer - please talk to him!!! Perhaps an agreement could still be reached, if you allow a proper negotiation process first!