So What If Obama Was a Muslim?

Ok so i'm not from the USA however that shouldn't mean i can't ask this question, especially as i've actually read your constitution, something many americans still havn't done.

What is Obama was a muslim? This seems to be a major issue with you americans but i have to ask, does it truly matter? Your country was founded on the right to free speech, the right to freedom of belief, the right to freedom that any man or woman can believe what they want and become president. So if you don't want Obama in simply because he's a muslim then doesn't that just show a country that has hatred of other faiths? Doesn't it show that the constitution is nothing to most of you unless it supports the rights of christians and a christian god?

A persons colour, crede or religious beliefs should not matter as to whether they are suitable to run your country, you're a republic, based onfreedom of thought and action within the confines of the law. If you really vote against Obama, simply because he's a muslim. Then you're a traitor to your own countries laws. A traitor to the men and women (yes btw there were women involved) who founded it. You have the right to disagree with his religion of course, that's freedom of belief, but you shouldn't vote someone out depending on it.

Vote for him, or not on his policies, nothing else. That is the spirit with which your country was founded.

That's my view on it, you can denounce my opinion if you want on the basis i'm from England, but that shouldn't matter when it comes to this issue i don't think.

I wouldnt care if Obama was my ex's boyfriend.Its just a religion,we all believe in some faith.I adore Mohammed Ali btw.

Then he's muslim. They are not all cold blooded body wearing bombs. He proclaims christianity though.

I want all religion outlawed in some way. God, Mohammed, Buddha, etc must be either laughing or crying.

If you are the corporate media/a whore to the media, then chances are you probably think it is a bad thing, but would much rather harp on non-issues in order to avoid sounding racist.

They...hate us.
They...hate our way of life.
They...want you dead because of what you have.

...

If he turned out to be Muslim you would hear Sean and Curtis and Anne and Laura and Bob all yelling about his pastor...er, his sheikh.

It is odd to watch the blatant racism and fear mongering followed by transparant backtracking and an obsession with

I hear you

However because he is not, and they are lying.. the idea must not even be entertained. It does not matter to me... but what this is .. and why it does matter is because it is "RED MEAT" for the dummies..

There are people in this country actually say they BELIEVE that he is a Muslim, Barack is not his name.. he wants to shoot John McCain... His Grandmother is a sex fiend!!

My gripe is when people eat and spew lies!... and thinly veil their abhorrent RACISM with these puffy plastic allegations....

Obama had better ask for CREAM in his Coffee... or that would be all the "proof" they would need to run around like headless chickens squawking about how he hates "Whitey"... even though he is white...as well as a Constitutional Law Professor.... but that reality does not matter to the "SUNSHINE" patriots of our country.

I am all for asking questions that probe deeply into anyones nether regions... However ... If you dont find any REAL polyps... Pull the tube out and look for REAL problems..

Look at where LIES and RED MEAT has gotten us over the last 8 years alone!!

To bad for them he is NOT a Member of the Cult of Islam.. he is in the Cult of Christianity... He was born in America.. but they are so desperate they had to look up when Hawaii became a state.. (learning that fact for the first time probably)..and still it is not good enough... laying out charges that he FAKED his paper work...

My god... it has to stop sometime...

Well you know the old adage

"A lie is half way around the world before the Truth has even gotten out of bed"

Oh noes...

Now they are going to say that I want to buy airline tickets for lies!!

Yes.. they are being that stupid... They are an INFECTION.

Rofl SH!
I hear he spanks his grandma too for kicks. Gives out those nasty karmel corns for halloween. And drives an audi.
Death to Obama.

If Obama is a Muslim then he should go through the media grinder just like Mitt Romney did with his Mormonism.

The problem is not whether or not Obama is a Muslim or not, its all about the perceptions. Many people in America won't vote for Obama if he was a Muslim just like there are many people who wouldn't vote for a Christian in Egypt. IF Obama loses those votes, he loses the election.

Thats why Obama supporters are so quick to try to end the "Obama is a Muslim" discussion. They want to nip any perception that Obama is outside mainstream American religious beliefs at the buds. I wonder why Obama supporters are so rabid in trying to stem of Muslim rumors anyways, do they have a problem with Islam?

Personally I don't care if Obama is a Muslim or not, there are other aspects of him that are really worth worrying over. The issue is worth discussing however because it is always good to dig up the past on a person running for the highest office.

I do care if Obama is covering up his faith because of politics. He already left his church of 20 years because of politics, I wonder what else he sells out for his desire for power.

I am not saying he is a muslim i was asking so what if he was. Who cares? It doesn't matter, not all muslims are out to destroy America you know.

Originally posted by wutone

Thats why Obama supporters are so quick to try to end the "Obama is a Muslim" discussion. They want to nip any perception that Obama is outside mainstream American religious beliefs at the buds.

Hmmmmm have you noticed what the right wing lie factory has done to the world and this country over the last 8 years???

Probably not.

Originally posted by wutone
I wonder why Obama supporters are so rabid in trying to stem of Muslim rumors anyways, do they have a problem with Islam?

See it is farcical logic like this that try mens souls...

It is thinking like that alone which is why many of us are so RABID in trying to smash the lies.

Because they are lies.

And a whole lot of this country is dumber then batsqueeze, we do not want John McCains only tactic ..to say lies about himself, and lies about his opponent to work.

WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH ISLAM....

But we know the dummies do...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is the DUMMIES that think he is a MUSLIM... WHEN HE IS A CHRISTIAN!!

Simple facts like that are the targets of the right wing smear machine...spreading propagandia out there like it is reality, and done by grass roots type people, when it is done by highly trained psyops disinformation specialists...

This whole Birth Certificate issue crap comes from the same scum bag creek of human excrement. that brought you the famous and scummy "WILLIE HORTON" ad...

We see what the lies brought in with that.. and we SEE where we are today because of them,... and That is why we are so RABID to get the truth out there.


FFS It is not an issue... but McCain is going to FAIL hard on all the issues .. because he LIES about himself..





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THAT IS WHY WE ARE RABID... BECAUSE WE ARE SICK OF BEING RULED BY FOOLS!

Originally posted by SavageHenry
WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH ISLAM....

But we know the dummies do...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is the DUMMIES that think he is a MUSLIM... WHEN HE IS A CHRISTIAN!!

Well my point is hypothetical, i wouldn't care if someone in the UK elections was a muslim, christian, buddhist or daoist. The decision to elect them should be based on their policies and their track record of keeping their word.

My whole point is that the idea of whether or not he's a muslim in a country proclaiming it's the bastion of freedom, should not effect if he is voted for or not.

Obama being a Muslim might not matter to you, but it does matter to some people: The same people Obama needs votes from to get elected.

So who cares if Obama is a Muslim? Well, obviously he does, because he's going to need as many votes as he can get to win.

reply to post by Agent_Orange


Well you seem to have missed the point. If the people who elect him don't vote for him because of his religion, then they have essentially labelled themselves as intolerant bigots. I'm willing to bet your foudning fathers wouldn't be to pleased over that. You are supposed to be the country of freedom and tolerance, where someone can believe whatever they wish and not have their chances effected by it as long as it's within the law.

The fact that George Bush got in mainly by promoting himself as the greatest christian since the crusades kind of shows that America hasn't come that far in it's bigotted past.

EDIT

I don't want to seem like i'm just bashing the USA here, the constitution is a beautiful thing and i just wish more of you would fight to uphold it. The people on this website seem mostly to be well informed, however you're the minority.

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Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984

Well you seem to have missed the point. If the people who elect him don't vote for him because of his religion, then they have essentially labelled themselves as intolerant bigots.

I'm just curious if you think this works the other way around.

Do you think the 91% of blacks in North Carolina who voted for Obama because he's black are intolerant bigots too? Or do you think the 91% of blacks who voted for Obama were able to discern some policy differences between Obama and Clinton which caused them to vote for Obama?

Originally posted by jamie83

I'm just curious if you think this works the other way around.

Do you think the 91% of blacks in North Carolina who voted for Obama because he's black are intolerant bigots too? Or do you think the 91% of blacks who voted for Obama were able to discern some policy differences between Obama and Clinton which caused them to vote for Obama?

Yep it does work the other way around, i don't like any kind of bigotry. If someone black voted for Obama simply becuase he's black, then they're a bigot and no better than someone who doesn't vote for him simply because he's muslim. Vote on policies and track record, nothing more.

Please note, i'm not saying he is a muslim i started this thread on a hypothetical idea of him being one.

EDIT

I just realised i did my thread title a little wrong. Should be "So What If Obama Were a Muslim". Annoying grammar mistake but i suppose not a major problem. If a moderator could help me out and change it i'd be grateful, it's annoying me greatly lol.

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Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984

Originally posted by SavageHenry
WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH ISLAM....

But we know the dummies do...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is the DUMMIES that think he is a MUSLIM... WHEN HE IS A CHRISTIAN!!

Well my point is hypothetical, i wouldn't care if someone in the UK elections was a muslim, christian, buddhist or daoist. The decision to elect them should be based on their policies and their track record of keeping their word.

My whole point is that the idea of whether or not he's a muslim in a country proclaiming it's the bastion of freedom, should not effect if he is voted for or not.

I am aware of that... sorry if it appeared like I was yelling at ya... I am yelling at those who seriously believe your point with every fiber of their being.

And I agree with you....and so do our Founding Fathers who expressly said that there should be "NO RELIGIOUS TEST"

But my fellow country men who hate this country and all it stands for, ignore that because they cannot accept the WHOLE of the country .. because they are blind to ugly truth, and only want lies that allow them to follow the path of least resistance....and that is directly releated to ignoring our founding principals, taking the ETHICAL high ground, and educating one self to the history and current goings on of ones country.

That refuse to look at the ugly.. Iran Contra is just a conspiracy theory to them... Operation Ajax a fairy tale.. Millions and Millions murdered with their tax money, science fiction.

THAT is why I am RABID... and I pity the fools who dare

IF you havent .. you should watch the film Idiocracy .. as it is here now.

Plus it gets funnier with each viewing...but never gets dull as to how utterly terrifying it is.

Originally posted by jpm1602
Rofl SH!
I hear he spanks his grandma too for kicks. Gives out those nasty karmel corns for halloween. And drives an audi.
Death to Obama.

He drives an Audi~!

Damn now I must become even more DIE HARD OBAMA..

I have two.. Audis are fantastic vehicles..

Originally posted by SavageHenry
Hmmmmm have you noticed what the right wing lie factory has done to the world and this country over the last 8 years???

Probably not.

Hmmmmm have you noticed what the left wing lie factory has done to the world and this country over the last 100 years?

Like the IRS, Federal Reserve, big government, screwed up education system, massive gun control, etc???

Probably not.

In fact the right wing lie machine you are talking about really has more in common with a Soviet style left wing lie machine that seeks total control.

Just because someone asks questions about Obama doesn't mean they are McCain followers. It is quite possible that there are people that feel that Obama and McCain are part of the same big government nanny-state machine that seeks total control (left-wing philosophy again) of the population.

Isn't it quite possible that Obama does not want to reveal his religious history because of perspective that the average American has towards Muslims? Notice I did not say that this is the correct perspective but it cannot be denied that it exists.

In fact how can anyone even know what Obama's real beliefs are? He joins a church for 20 years than leaves because it is detrimental to his political aspirations. How would one know that he didn't join that church in the first place for his local political aspirations? How would one know if he didn't secretly keep his Muslim beliefs from his younger years but didn't want to show it because it wouldn't win him any elections. Its not a stretch to believe this knowing how he distanced himself from Rev Wright when things got sticky.

Obama just says things that people want to hear.

Obama also has that internet attack machine that seeks to counter the "lies" and "rumors" that circulate the internet that might be disruptive to his presidential chances.

But it is ok for a left wing lie factory to exist isn't it?

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
What is Obama was a muslim?

If he were a Muslim, it would make him the biggest liar on Earth.

He has publicly stated he has always been a Christian, and denied any affilation or leaning towards the Muslim faith.

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984

Well you seem to have missed the point. If the people who elect him don't vote for him because of his religion, then they have essentially labelled themselves as intolerant bigots.

And? He still doesn't have their votes. And do you honestly think those people care if they are labled intolerant bigots? labels are stupid, just as the same labels you are protesting against, that muslims are all terrorists or whatever.

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
I'm willing to bet your foudning fathers wouldn't be to pleased over that.

I'm willing to bet you don't really know what the founding fathers thought and you can't speak for them.

Originally posted by Agent_Orange
And? He still doesn't have their votes. And do you honestly think those people care if they are labled intolerant bigots? labels are stupid, just as the same labels you are protesting against, that muslims are all terrorists or whatever.

Stop diverting the issue. It's not about whether they care they are bigots, it's about standing up for your constitution and what is was founded upon. Go read it like i have.

Originally posted by Agent_Orange
I'm willing to bet you don't really know what the founding fathers thought and you can't speak for them.

Wish i'd put money on this now. I ahve read the constitution, letters from the time and plenty of history to know what the founding fathers thought of religion and the election process. It shouldn't mattter what your religion is.

Originally posted by LLoyd45
He has publicly stated he has always been a Christian, and denied any affilation or leaning towards the Muslim faith.

Yep if he turned around now and said he was a muslim i would encourage everyonet o not vote for a lying man. However this is a hypothetical thread, designed to ask the question of whether a religion should stop someone being elected. It is not to debate the personal life of a single politician. I used Obama as an example because there is so much speculation abot his religious views.

My point again stands thusly, a religion should not be your major factor in voting. Actually it shoudln't be any factor in your voting choice.

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