Government ready to drop copyright bomb

Government ready to drop copyright bomb

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The government is ready to introduce controversial new copyright legislation that experts believe will introduce harsh new restrictions on downloading, copying songs to CDs and music players, unlocking cellphones and time-shifting of television shows.

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[edit on 12-6-2008 by QBSneak000]

Well looks like the government is going to get its way. Just another form of control forced on the people. While I agree, piracy is getting out of hand, there has to be a better way to deal with it than this.

If I miss an episode of Battlestar Galactica, YES I am going to download it the next day so I can watch the series without interruption. I also end up buying the DVD when it is available as well.

As for music, I think the artists should go on tour more to make their money like they used to do back in the day. As it is now they barely tour many cities and when they do they still charge an arm and a leg for tickets. Kudos to bands like Radiohead to come out and offer their latest album online for what ever you feel like paying. If only more artists could be like them.

As it stands I believe they are also trying to make all P2P sites illegal.

www.cbc.ca
(visit the link for the full news article)

Do you want cheese with that whine?

Next thing you infringers are gonna demand is probably that making copies of art is to be legal too?
Btw... the Radiohead case wasn't as much about copyright as questioning the need for a middleguy and at the same time make you ask yourself... "how much moral do I have... have much is someone elses work worth?"

Not about copyright....

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Thats not my point. I agree that something needs to be done about piracy, I just feel that there are better ways around it than this.

Like I stated above. If more artists came out and introduced their music online like Radiohead has done then that will go a long way in helping fix the music issue.

As for movies, sure, ban that kind of content but don't make the P2P network illegal also maybe they need to do better checks at the theaters to make sure nobody is bringing in video cameras.

TV shows.......hmmm, Im not sure how they lose money from someone downloading an episode of their favorite show that they might have missed that week since all their money comes from commercial advertising and merchandise........which people still buy (DVD box sets) because they like the show so much.

[edit on 12-6-2008 by QBSneak000]

They also just increased the penalty to a maximum of $30,000 per song instead of the previous maximum of $30,000 per album. How anyone can justify ruining someones life over downloading a song is beyond me. It would be like giving someone the death penalty for J-Walking.

I see your point. When their album came out I paid $15.00 but I agree there are a lot of not so moral people that will still want it for $1 or free.

It is only one more piece of "law" meant to make it illegal for us to breathe.

The government need to be completely turned out into the streets.

Vote Canada Action Party.

And as for Radioheads idea not being about copyright but to cut out the middle man....yes I agree, but their method of letting people pay what they want from nothing to whatever dollar amount they felt was worth it, probably cut down on the illegal download of their album from other sites.

Originally posted by Karlhungis
They also just increased the penalty to a maximum of $30,000 per song instead of the previous maximum of $30,000 per album. How anyone can justify ruining someones life over downloading a song is beyond me. It would be like giving someone the death penalty for J-Walking.

LITTLE MAN! YOU WILL FEAR THE GOVERNMENT ! WE WILL DESTROY YOU IF YOU DO ANY THING WE DON'T TELL YOU TO!

If they could kill you for j-walking, they would - they probably will place it under terrorism as you scared a driver who witnessed such a depraved act of blatant anti-government action.

The Greatful Dead used to make all their money from touring. Plus, you were actually encouraged to bring your recorder to record the show. Seems to me they still made fist fulls of dollars, so why is Metallica being such pompous whiney asses? F*** YOU Metallica. I used to like you until you started all this.

BTW, I DO NOT advocate stealing songs, movies, art from anyone. But, why go after the downloaders? Why not go after the people who upload the content? That's where copywrite infringement is violated.

[edit on 6/12/2008 by Griff]

Does this mean they are putting TIVO and DVR's out of business?

It looks like the government is committing suicide. (figure of speech)


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[edit on 12-6-2008 by ALLis0NE]

This ISN'T 'THE GOVERNMENT'

This is the corporate crony appointees in the government. They come from the industry - get into government - then make regulations and policy to make themselves richer. Or in this case, to protect themselves from the death throes of a business model which should be extinct.

Our buddies in politics gave them the power in exchange for ????.

Start blaming the actors in this scenario for their actions. People make and accept these draconian regulations, the government doesn't spontaneously create them. If our politicians allow it to happen, tell them you disapprove. How much you want to bet they will listen to the industry, rather than you?

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If anyone owns TIVO stock, I would get out now, because I'm sure its going to drop.

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They aren't committing suicide. They are creating an environment that will make most of the citizens criminals. They will then have control over everyone and be justified in locking anyone up.

No warrant needed to break in to your house, you have a DVR and that is just cause.

Can't prove that you own every one of those 4000 songs on your ipod? Here is a $100000000 fine. Can't pay that? We'll take your house and put you in prison.

You are now guilty until proven innocent as well. So you people that think the pirates have it coming are going to be in for a surprise when they come after you.

I can tell you this much, if someone launches a lawsuit because someone pirated my music, I'd tell the lawyers to drop the case.

I make music because I love music. Do I really give a crap if some kid pirates it? Pfffft, no.
Heck, I'll even show him where he can get it.


The artists really shouldn't care. It's not the artists who are actually getting upset... it's their record companies who get annoyed at this. All they are are leeches, bottom feeders.

You can't stop music from being pirated.
The second a radio station plays a song, anyone who wants it, has it.


I think it's high time artists refuse to sign on with record companies who attack the very people who are enjoying the artists music.

Fact of the matter is, we don't have the ability to police ourselves in a matter as such. Say what you must about the issue but basically it seems that people are upset because their ability to steal is about to be compromised. What can you say to your elected officials? Please defend our right to intellectual theft? I don't imagine there are alot of musicians here that make their living off of the music that they painstakingly create. From a blue collar perspective, this is not unlike someone picking your pocket. Performance and mechanical royalties that go to the actual performers depend activities such as radio, shows, record SALES, etc. If a couple million of these slip through, then their pay is significantly reduced. I doubt Tivo and DVR would be affected here as that technology is more for personal viewing and if that was to be an issue with corporate america then it would have surfaced as one.

Many of the artists / bands should have cut the big recording companies out of the loop a long time ago and used the internet to distribute their material, as some are now doing. The big recording companies are struggling to maintain their stranglehold and monopoly and are losing. RIAA itself is no angel and from an article I read a few months ago, has so far failed to distribute any of the estimated $400Million in fines it had collected, back to the artists. Furthermore, it was stated that there wouldn't be much of that $400M left after the lawyers and other expenses had all been paid. Do I detect a scam here?

When you then see stories about their lawyers arguing that even copying a purchased CD to your MP3 player or PC also constitutes copyright infringement then you start to get the big picture. It's not about piracy, it's about them making more money out of you as you should then buy the CD then pay again for a download to your PC or iPod etc.

Now, I don't agree with theft, but I also don't stand for outright greed and bullying.

Originally posted by modusoperandi
Fact of the matter is, we don't have the ability to police ourselves in a matter as such. Say what you must about the issue but basically it seems that people are upset because their ability to steal is about to be compromised. What can you say to your elected officials? Please defend our right to intellectual theft? I don't imagine there are alot of musicians here that make their living off of the music that they painstakingly create. From a blue collar perspective, this is not unlike someone picking your pocket. Performance and mechanical royalties that go to the actual performers depend activities such as radio, shows, record SALES, etc. If a couple million of these slip through, then their pay is significantly reduced. I doubt Tivo and DVR would be affected here as that technology is more for personal viewing and if that was to be an issue with corporate america then it would have surfaced as one.

I disagree. This issue is about sovereignty. Whatever I acquire legally should NOT include with it an apron string to the owner so he can 'audit' my activities to determine whether I am a viable target for police action. The logical extension of this activity is once you hear or see someones creative work you should never be free to recall it. Because it's not yours.

This is about the middleman - NOT the artist. They want the artist to be a cash teat for them to suckle on forever. The artists were nearly extorted into letting this business model rule over them like a king. Enough defending the parasites, If you ARE an artist why create art? If you are a commercialism, then DON'T PUBLISH - only show it where you can control the content.

Instead of accepting that reality they want to change the nature of communications medium to support their avarice and protect their greed. It doesn't work that way, or at least it shouldn't.

If you don't want to be quoted, shut up. If you don't want people to see your work, don't show it. If you think every time I post a video of my kid dancing to a song I need to write the copyright holders, your being asinine.

And if this is limited to those who would profit from those stolen songs THEN THE LEGISLATION SHOULD SPECIFY SUCH - and leave the private citizen free from the tethers of this ridiculousness.

Revolt!

The internet is the key issue here.

Whatever you can do on the internet, you can do on a lesser scale in your own hometown among like minded fellows.

You could go one step further and completely boycott the entertainment industry.

It wouldn't be easy, but believe it or not, people used to entertain themselves long before the advent of recording technology and mass communication.

Frankly, I'm fed up with the entertainment industry and I have enough music in my library to satisfy me for the rest of my days. Except for the news and motor sports, television makes me sick.

Stop whining and do something profound. Stop funding the entertainment industry.

If the entertainment industry thinks they are losing money to "pirating," let them get a taste of what it's like when nobody buys or "pirates."


[edit on 2008/6/12 by GradyPhilpott]

Originally posted by QBSneak000
I see your point. When their album came out I paid $15.00 but I agree there are a lot of not so moral people that will still want it for $1 or free.

This has nothingto do with "morals". Downloading a song surely isnt going to hard the multi-millions that these artists are going to make from CD sales anyway. Ever heard of "it's not about the money"?

If people wish to download thats up to them, as I personally don't consider downloading in any form to be "stealing" as long as the producers aren't run out of business, which they certainly are not. They're just annoyed that they'll have to wait an extra month for their super yaught.....