Hillary's Surprise

This is too good to be true!

No wonder Hillary was so upbeat last week, she knows and he is toast!

Obama may hold dual citizenship of the US and Kenya

US Law very clearly stipulates: "…If only one parent was a U.S. Citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16."

Barack Obama’s father was not a U.S. Citizen and Obama’s mother was only 18 when Obama was born, which means though she had been a U.S. Citizen for 10 years, (or citizen perhaps because of Hawaii being a territory) the mother fails the test for being so for at least 5 years **prior to** Barack Obama’s birth, but *after* age 16.

noiri.blogspot.com...

[edit on 10-6-2008 by SIRR1]

Nothing will be done about this if it is indeed true. The Clinton camp would have released such information before she dropped out.

reply to post by yellowcard


Not necessarily. It's a way of being like, "oh, so sorry, I was ready to quit, but now I'll carry the torch for both of us."

That way she can beat him, without alienating his support.

If it's true, I can hear him now.. I was totally unaware of this matter for the past 46 years. My bad!

Great Find Sirr1!

Maybe this is why the Democrats bent over backwards to pass the resolution stating that McCain was a naturalized citizen. Maybe they were laying the foundation so that the Republicans would look like schmucks for bringing up a small detail like the fact that Obama might not be legal.

reply to post by jamie83


Nice. Hil doesn't have to mention it at all. She gets her Bilderberg/Republican buddies to do it, thereby dooming McCain and shooing her into the White House for sure.

reply to post by jamie83



Hi guys...Immigrant here.

Obama was born in the United States to a citizen and a legal resident. There's nothing illegal about Obama's status as a citizen.

reply to post by projectvxn


Not as a citizen, but this is about his eligibility to become President. "Ahnold" is a legit citizen, but not eligible for example, since he was not born here.

Wow this needs to be looked into.

i hope it is true, i am a conservative but i rather have the clintons in office anyday then obama.

thank you for posting this lets send this to rush and sean hanity and oriely see if they can verify this

chris

Right but Obama was born here. There's no smoking gun guys. Try again. You'll get a good one soon, I promise.

reply to post by projectvxn
Obviously you didn't bother to read the article, or you're experiencing a severe case of denial. Don't sweat it though, he'll get a "free pass" on this issue as well.

[edit on 6/10/08 by LLoyd45]

Article Two of the Constitution sets the principal qualifications to be eligible for election as President. A Presidential candidate must:

- be a natural-born citizen of the United States;
- be at least thirty-five years old;
- have been a permanent resident in the United States for at least fourteen years.


Fourteenth Amendment

Section 1: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Ruled on in the Supreme Court in 1884 with the case of Elk v. Wilkins. This resulted in the children of Native Americans not being declared citizens. [THought I'd throw that in there as I found it quite interesting]

Tested again in 1898 in the case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark in which jus soli ("right of the soil") was affirmed. Thus the children of the Chinese citizens in question were citizens of the soil at birth.

Barack was born in 1961 at the Kapiolani Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii (admitted to statehood in August 1959) to Ann Dunham who herself was born in 1942 in Fort Leavenworth, Kansas while her father was in the military. During WWII her father enlisted after Pearl Harbor and her mother buildt B-29s as a real-life 'Rosie the Riveter'. Both her parents (his grandparents) were born in Kansas.

He appears to meet all of the requirements set forth in Article II, and the Fourteenth Amendment and subsequent rulings appear to explain why.

reply to post by SIRR1


The whole issue is murky and the lack of precedent on the issue leaves both sides without a strong case. The issue lies with the lack of definition of the phrase "natural born citizen" in the constitution. The definition was left up to Congress who never really got around to laying it all out (it states the laws must be consistent).

I am afraid this is one of those constitutional matters that would be referred to the Supreme Court. It would be an enormous slap in the face to whomever loses which probably is why you have not seen the issue pressed. The stakes would be really high if McCain or Hillary were to lose that gamble.

en.wikipedia.org...

He was born in Hawaii in 1961, which became a state in 1959. Seems like he is a natural citizen so he can be president.

My take was that the article was citing info for someone not born in the USA.

Originally posted by clay2 baraka
reply to post by SIRR1

 

The whole issue is murky and the lack of precedent on the issue leaves both sides without a strong case. The issue lies with the lack of definition of the phrase "natural born citizen" in the constitution. The definition was left up to Congress who never really got around to laying it all out (it states the laws must be consistent).

I am afraid this is one of those constitutional matters that would be referred to the Supreme Court. It would be an enormous slap in the face to whomever loses which probably is why you have not seen the issue pressed. The stakes would be really high if McCain or Hillary were to lose that gamble.

en.wikipedia.org...

I think it breaks down to giving control of the US military to a person who is not a Natural Born US citizen.

from wikipedia

US constitutional definition
The United States Constitution does not define the term "natural born citizen"; however, it does confer on Congress the power: "To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization."

Section 1 of Article II of the Constitution contains the clause:

“ No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States. ”

Additionally, the 12th Amendment to the Constitution states that: "[N]o person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."

It is thought the origin of the natural-born citizen clause can be traced to a July 25, 1787, letter from John Jay to George Washington, presiding officer of the Constitutional Convention.

John Jay wrote: "Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government;

And to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen."

There was no debate, and this qualification for the office of the Presidency was introduced by the drafting Committee of Eleven, and then adopted without discussion by the Constitutional Convention.

en.wikipedia.org...

If Barrack is proven to be a dual citizen the he must conceed.

It obvious he is a US citizen, he has lived in Illinois for ever and married here in the state, but this all goes back to his father who is Kenyan and at barrachs birth, did his father invoke dual citizenship on his son?

Thats the question, if it's true then Obama has a problem.

reply to post by LLoyd45


Hench the nessecity for introspection.

Did anybody bother to look at the source or the link provided by the OP!?!

Here's the name at the top of the webpage and the link again!

Anti-Mullah - Dedicated to the removal of the Islamic Regime in Iran

Other articles on this website:

Mullahs' Threat Not Sinking In

Can The USA Avoid Attacking Iran? Can We Attack Successfully?

This blog doesn't seem take a position where it would judge somebody like Obama fairly due to the fact that his father was Muslim.

I would think that the DNC would have checked Obama out and make sure he met all the criteria to become a US President! I REALLY don't think they would have missed something like this!

[edit on 6/10/2008 by Keyhole]

Originally posted by roadgravel
He was born in Hawaii in 1961, which became a state in 1959. Seems like he is a natural citizen so he can be president.

My take was that the article was citing info for someone not born in the USA.

Right. He was born in America to an American. He always was a legal citizen. If I take your interpretation seriously, and ALL mothers who are American citizens must have resided in the U.S. for at least five years after the age of 16 before their children could become legal, that would make the children of all teenage mothers illegal.

You're looking at a blog, and a very biased one at that.

This has come up before, and has been resolved. You won't be hearing about it on the news.

Let's see.
Obama.
Requirements:
-be a natural-born citizen of the United States (OK!)
-be at least thirty-five years old (OK!)
-have been a permanent resident in the United States for at least fourteen years (OK!)
Source 1

Hawaii becomes 50th state in 1959.
Source 2


Obama born in 1961 in Hawaii.
Source 3

Can President have a dual citizenship?

the law states that the Presidential candidate must be "natural born," but if you are born to American parents outside of the US, you can still be considered "natural born." legally, it's possible, but most obviously, holding dual citizenship with another country is a political liability, and thus, most candidates for political office will opt to renounce their dual citizenship before seeking office.

Source 4

Barack emphasizing on his Kenyan roots.

I am the son of a black man from Kenya and a white woman from Kansas.

Source 5

Requirements for parents.

Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national.

Source 6

Some examples of Nationals are Guam, Puerto Rico etc...The definition of US National can befound here: Source 7


Let's research and see if Barack Obama Hussein Sr. was a national, at the time of birth of Barack Jr. (1961) I highly doubt he was, because he rerturned to Kenya, rather than staying in US. There is no metion anywhere on the internet of him being National. Source 8


I don't think Barack fits the criteria of a president , but of course the Americans will brush this off. I guess anyone is better than Bush.


Off topic ... Obama's father WAS Muslim, Obama lied about this in the interview.
Here's some facts from wiki:
"Before working as a cook for missionaries in Nairobi, Onyango had travelled widely, enlisting with the name Onyango Obama in the British colonial forces during World War I and visiting Europe, India, and Zanzibar, where he converted from Christianity to Islam and added Hussein to his name. "
Source 9

My father was from Kenya, and a lot of people in his village were Muslim. He didn't practice Islam. Truth is he wasn't very religious. He met my mother.

Source 10


Stated by Obama... "According to Senator Obama, the elder Obama had already abandoned Islam and become an atheist by the time he moved to the United States"
Source 11

This was in 1960? Or before he met Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, but he STILL gave Barack Obama Jr. the middle name - HUSSEIN???!!! if he really abandoned his religion, this wouldn't be the case. Not to mention he had 3 wives, 2 simultaniously, and some other unknown partner. Doesn't sound very Christian to me, unless you're one of the polygamists.


FISHY!

This is the key quote from the blog that is unsourced:

US Law very clearly stipulates: "…If only one parent was a U.S. Citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16."

Any idea where this is sourced? Sounds to me like it's pulled out of thin air. Anybody ever hear of this before, or have any idea where this comes from?