hadron collider

When is it suppose to make the first collision?
and i remember reading about the destruction it could possibly cause awhile back, are they still saying there's a possibility of this?

Hiyah Endel

They have been working on quite a few experiments...here's the basic ones and general descriptions for you.

public.web.cern.ch...

The LHC experiments

The six experiments at the LHC are all run by international collaborations, bringing together scientists from institutes all over the world. Each experiment is distinct, characterised by its unique particle detector.

Here's some interesting facts about it as well :

The largest machine in the world...

The precise circumference of the LHC accelerator is 26 659 m, with a total of 9300 magnets inside. Not only is the LHC the world’s largest particle accelerator, just one-eighth of its cryogenic distribution system would qualify as the world’s largest fridge. All the magnets will be pre‑cooled to -193.2°C (80 K) using 10 080 tonnes of liquid nitrogen, before they are filled with nearly 60 tonnes of liquid helium to bring them down to -271.3°C (1.9 K).

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It was supposed to be turned on on May 14, 2008.

Was it?
No.

Why?
I have no idea, and frankly, I am fast losing interest in the thing altogether.
I don't like games.
And it seems to me that informing the public and then not do as it was said and just going silent is a game.

Which is why I don't even google about it.
But I'll gladly read if anyone has any news to offer.

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There was a defect in one of the systems, so they had to postpone.

As for the chance of doom. Before the first Nuclear Device was detonated in the US, they thought there was a chance of it creating a nuclear chain reaction in the atmosphere, causing all of the atmosphere to go into nuclear cascade.

The chances of creating an actual black hole in the LHC is one in several million, and even when it gets created, it'll be so small, it'll dissipate as soon as it can be detected.

As with anything new and big in science, people who have no clue only listen to what the worst case scenario could be.

yeh i googled some things on it, but all the articles i read were years old, and i too read that it was supposed to be sometime in may, oh well.
thanks for those links LateApexer313, pretty interesting..at least there is a giant fridge now.

There is little thread of the LHC causing a black hole to spiral out of control. If it is able to create one (as mentioned by the matrix above) it would not be stable enough to maintain itself.

what it WOULD do, however, is show us a possible gateway to another dimension....where black holes may lead. It would be a glimpse only, but exciting nonetheless.

I have a friend who worked on the super collider in Waxahachie. they were searching for the elusive Higgs boson. I don't know if they were able to achieve much....but we are still here.

Don't worry about doom and gloom. Until they can create a stable black hole environment. we are in little danger.

According to a website brought to my attention on this very site, the hadron collider is due to begin the first collision on July the 7th.

I'm hoping they'll put it back another 9 days so it goes off on my birthday.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
There is little thread of the LHC causing a black hole to spiral out of control. If it is able to create one (as mentioned by the matrix above) it would not be stable enough to maintain itself.

The 'fact' that it would not be stable enough to maintain itself is based on the theory of Stephen Hawking, "hawking radiation".

Stephen Hawking actually came out a month back and admitted he was wrong about his theory of hawking radiation.

If he was wrong about the theory that the black holes are based on, are they really going to be safe and dissapate? I don't know, but it doesn't look good.

Here's a rough countdown to when the switch gets flipped on:
www.lhcountdown.com...
Might be changed any time if new details are revealed or if the date gets bumped ahead.

You want to know what's truly scary about the LHC? It's running WINDOWS VISTA. I BS you not. I was on CERN's website looking at photos of it, and noticed on one of the monitors in a photo, it was running Windows Vista. I'll try to dig that photo up in a minute.

1 large hadron collider capable of destroying the galaxy ... 10 billion dollars.
Windows Vista... 200 dollars.
Destruction of the galaxy and all human life ... priceless.

Originally posted by AgentScmidt

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
There is little thread of the LHC causing a black hole to spiral out of control. If it is able to create one (as mentioned by the matrix above) it would not be stable enough to maintain itself.

The 'fact' that it would not be stable enough to maintain itself is based on the theory of Stephen Hawking, "hawking radiation".

Stephen Hawking actually came out a month back and admitted he was wrong about his theory of hawking radiation.

If he was wrong about the theory that the black holes are based on, are they really going to be safe and dissapate? I don't know, but it doesn't look good.

The existance of black holes is questionable, if you want my opinion. Being a subscriber to the Plasma Cosmology theories, i am unsure if i believe in the ability of a black hole to exist on any level that we have thus far postulated.

I was trying to speak on the level of understanding that the LHC is based on.

Honestly? It is a time travel device. They call it "Alice" for a reason.

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Countdown: 30 days 1 hour: www.lhcountdown.com...

Keep the faith brother, not too long too wait for the biggest bang in history, "One Way Or The Other." Personally I think it's the only way to go, if they screw up. You won't know what hit you!!!!!!!

For a long time there haS been thread after thread after thread about the LHC,

Some good some bad the usual,

Ive said it before and ill say it again, percentages mean nothing where this is concerned, how can you use percentages on something they know nothing about? sure its conjecture that this thing could destroy earth, good for them, do you think they have the right to put the whole planet in danger because a few scientists wish to prove god exists?

There are too many concerns amongst physicists around the world, some of them trying through the courts to have it stopped, im not a physicist so i can only comment on my hackles standing on end, these people have a concern for a reason, therefore, it should be postponed until the world has a better understanding of the dangers.

After all if i built a nuclear reactor in my shed and told the world its fine nothing will happen, would you believe me? im sure the percentages of something going wrong are within acceptable levels.

It will be too late in the day to prove or disprove whether or not some scientists theories are right or not dont ya think?

This is not the movies, we can't send a gorgeous chick and a few hunky guys in a pod to the center of the Earth to fix it, if it goes wrong thats it, end of story, we dont have the tech to leave the earth so we all go together.

Now i know MAD scientists exist, do we really need to know the secrets of the Universe? DO WE?

Originally posted by AgentScmidt

You want to know what's truly scary about the LHC? It's running WINDOWS VISTA. I BS you not. I was on CERN's website looking at photos of it, and noticed on one of the monitors in a photo, it was running Windows Vista. I'll try to dig that photo up in a minute.

i wanna see that

woo first time quoting

Originally posted by azzllin
After all if i built a nuclear reactor in my shed and told the world its fine nothing will happen, would you believe me? im sure the percentages of something going wrong are within acceptable levels.

would you like help with that reactor

Originally posted by azzllin
Now i know MAD scientists exist, do we really need to know the secrets of the Universe? DO WE?

arent you the least bit curious?..it is pretty exciting.

i think if a MAJOR threat like the destruction of everyone was more than likely to happen theyd think twice about what they are doing..but then again, who knows.

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Exactly Azzlin, sure we MIGHT find this particle that probably doesn't even exist, and finding the particle MIGHT explain the origin of the universe, but what's the use in knowing the origin of the universe if we all die any way after we learn the origin? I like living, and would rather not know what happened 4 billion years ago, thank you.


Will this thing destroy the earth? It might, it might not. There IS a risk, and you can't deny that. Even the people working on it and creating it say there IS a risk it could kill us all, they say it's one in 7 million or something.

Is that risk worth taking?

Sure, the odds of winning the lottery are slim, maybe one in 7 million - but there's always a winner of the lottery, right?

Originally posted by endel13

arent you the least bit curious?..it is pretty exciting.

i think if a MAJOR threat like the destruction of everyone was more than likely to happen theyd think twice about what they are doing..but then again, who knows.

They are doing this to find the higgs-boson particle, which might not even exist. It's just a theory.

Is it really worth firing this thing up and taking the risk of the earth being destroyed, just to find something that might not even exist?

If we knew for sure the higgs-boson particle existed, and that it would definitely tell us how the universe was created, then taking this risk might be almost worth it. But to risk the entire earth just to find something that probably doesn't exist - that is just NOT worth it.

There was a defect in one of the systems, so they had to postpone.

Thanks, TheMatrix.
I wish they had informed the public a bit more efficiently themselves...

BTW, Wikipedia- not the most reliable of sources - is now listing the date as "mid-June 2008".




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yeh that is true agent.
i guess the only thing to do is sit back and see what happens.
i am fond of living and would like to keep doing so.

i do hope they find the hb particle


[edit on 7-6-2008 by endel13]

Anyone else have a problem believing the official story behind the LHC? Spending billions of $ to build this monster underground facility to find a "theoretical" particle that "could show up" "if lucky" . Maybe this reason just serves as the front to keep the scientists and public unknowing of the real agenda behind this project. Really only the few at the top would know.

Why would they outsource the construction and work to over 100 different nations (111 to be exact). Different contractors and sub contractors and so on, for every lite component. No one can really overview or fully understand the full capability / possibilities of the full functionality with the finished facility, except for the people behind it.

Just by looking at Google maps it's obvious they have a smaller older underground particle accelerator at Area 51 as well. So obviously these facilities have other undisclosed and/or unknown and experimental applications.

Unlocking a Stargate? Facilitate time traveling? Interstellar communications? Teleportation?

Maybe they will succeed with what ever it is in December 2012? Or that's when the microscopic black hole is created that will keep on growing and growing...

[edit on 8-6-2008 by Raabjorn]

Originally posted by AgentScmidt

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
There is little thread of the LHC causing a black hole to spiral out of control. If it is able to create one (as mentioned by the matrix above) it would not be stable enough to maintain itself.

The 'fact' that it would not be stable enough to maintain itself is based on the theory of Stephen Hawking, "hawking radiation".

Stephen Hawking actually came out a month back and admitted he was wrong about his theory of hawking radiation.

If he was wrong about the theory that the black holes are based on, are they really going to be safe and dissapate? I don't know, but it doesn't look good.

No, that's wrong, Steven Hawking previously stated that nothing could escape the event horizon of a black hole, but recently-ish admitted that he was wrong, and that some radiation does escape it, and that radiation has been dubbed hawking radiation.

He never admitted he was wrong about hawking radiation, as there is a good mathematical basis for it's existence. We don't have instruments that are accurate enough to look for it yet, but there's a satellite going up in spring for that.