Unemployment Rate Actually Below Average Not Doom And Gloom As Reported

Originally posted by space cadet
reply to post by blimpseeker

 

What would you say is 'average wages' in your area?

my area is pretty rural, mostly farmers and blue colar workers.
there is a university here so that kinda changes the scene a bit...i would have to guess average would be $17 to $20???
i could be way off.

reply to post by blimpseeker


Why don't YOU "go ask" the workers at American Axle how they feel about the new contract that takes the average worker's pay & bene's from $78/hr to $34/hr, since you know so many "men on the street", genius.

reply to post by blimpseeker


Gee, for someone that KNOWS SO MUCH about wages, funny you don't KNOW what folks make in your area.....

Unemployed, are ya?

as for your situation. there is ways to better your income it starts by bettering your education. don't wait for your government to "fix" it for you.

reply to post by blimpseeker


Bettering your education huh.....I went back to school, I graduated a couple of years ago, I chose a technical college here. I am no spring chicken, but I was a high school dropout with a 20 year old GED. I took a course in business, including business law, clerical, and accounting. When I completed the course my hunt began. I joined another family member in opening our own business, and wound up shut down for 2 years by homeland security. Because we had an office in Scottland they thought they needed to investigate our activity, and we could not recover from the 2 year loss of business while they performed and investigation. In the meantime I worked in stores, did Ebay from a drop shop, I do taxes seasonally, I am a notary public, 16 years, I managed a hotel restr. and that job experience is why I work where I do now, only for less money than any job I have ever had. Why am I backing up? There are no jobs available for me, or even for someone like my nephew who graduated college with a masters degree in business. He landed a BS job here recently opening a strip mall, and it will fail, just like all the others have in that location, but it is all he can do right now. So tell me, how can getting more education, if I could afford it now, serve me?

reply to post by blimpseeker


Who makes 17-20 dollars an hour in a rural farming area? Like I mentioned earlier, I have friends who are registered nurses who only make around 13.00

Individual experiences are not generalizable. Let me repeat that, for the doom and gloomers - your individual experience of doom and gloom is not evidence that the entire country is experiencing doom and gloom. Its called hasty generalization, its a logical fallacy, and its wrong.

For every sad tale of economic woe there is a another story of someone who is doing fine. But you won't find it on ATS, because miserly loves company. People only speak out when their life sucks, they generally don't care when everything is on the up and up. As bad as you may have it, your circumstances are not generalizable to an entire country of 300 million people. You may want them to be generalizable, you may hope they are generalizable, but they are not generalizable.

To look at the big picture, we must look at the data. The data for which everyone is hysterically attempting to ignore is very clear: the unemployment rate is not at an all time low, neither is it at economic hysteria level proportions. A recession coming? Prehaps. Economic doom and gloom? No.

The people who are supporting this mantra of economic hysteria are buying directly into the mass media. Look at the data first - isn't ATS supposed to be about denying ignorance?

reply to post by space cadet


A RN with a nursing degree only making $13.00 an hour? I know plenty of nurses, they are in huge demand and can command huge salaries - where in the world is this at?

reply to post by ALightinDarkness


Northwest Ga. Harbin Clinic. Emergency Care.

The data does nothing for me, and no, I am not being ignorant and ignoring reality. Reality is that more people are struggling than not. More people are underpaid than not. More people are jobless every day. Prices are going up every day. There is not a solution to this pattern at this point. So the downward spiral continues. For the majority of people not just a few. Get on the streets, the stores, church, bar, any social gathering that is not of a 'black tie affair' level and you will hear it from everyone. I have yet to see or talk to one person about todays situation, or more specifically their situation, and the result be ' oh were doing fine, no worries here, job's good, don't mind that gas is outrageous cause it won't hurt us, we got plenty to pay for it'. No. People are not vacationing, people can't buy the food they need, people are spending a 3rd or more of their payroll on gas, getting behind on their bills, wondering what the hell they will do if it keeps getting worse, and it does. Jobs are dissappearing every day. I suppose if you have a generous income then you wouldn't worry, the rising cost of food and fuel and everything else would just be a drop in the proverbial bucket. That used to apply to middle class america, now it is only applicable to rich america.

There is probably little point having a job if you can't afford to eat. Granted that some really need to manage their life better and get their priorities on track but isn't that all part of the plan for the socialist NWO agenda anyway?

Food crisis hits home in USA & elsewhere

Originally posted by space cadet
reply to post by blimpseeker

 

Who makes 17-20 dollars an hour in a rural farming area? Like I mentioned earlier, I have friends who are registered nurses who only make around 13.00

[/quoteyou asked me for an average, i took into account pharmacist $45hr, dental hygenist $24hr business owners ???
landscapers $8hr....so on...
btw your nurses are severely underpaid.
RN's here make at least $24hr.

The 5.5% unemployment rate is indeed not that high. But this is only the beginning. The economic problems are not over. This crisis will continue for months if not years…

And now the jobs have gone to China, do you think they will come back ?

Yeah, 5.5% is being kind! The first 4 years from Bush in office (2000-2004) resulted in 4 million jobs lost. It's way beyond that now...Just wait till the are done with the Trans-Texas Corridor and watch the enslavement progress. We are doomed and headed for a depression worse then the great depression. Those numbers are totally bogus. I lived in the woods last year for 4 months looking for work! Again, Unemployed and out of Unemployment...Guess, I don't count in those numbers.

Originally posted by space cadet
So tell me, how can getting more education, if I could afford it now, serve me?

I can see how you would feel victimized due to your experience.
perhaps a career in the medical field? for one example, with an associates degreee one can become a dental hygenist they make at least 20 dollars an hr.
another example...with a three week training course you could become a harmacy tech, CVS pharmacy starts you at 14hr until you get your state license and then they bump you to 16hr. i think they even pay for the testing and licensing.

but you cant expect these jobs to come to you, you have to hustle, you can't just throw your hands up and say "stick a fork in me i am done!"

get off the canvas and fight!, get out there, ask questions, make yourself part of the solution for your success.

[edit on 7-6-2008 by blimpseeker]

reply to post by Anonymous ATS

please read my last post to space cadet, i think it would help you also.

I would like to add that just because minimum wage has gone up, doesnt make it enough...

and lets look at some stats since you insist on us doing our own research:

U.S. economy lost 63,000 jobs in February
Herald Tribune

80,000 jobs lost, unemployment spikes (from March-April)
and...

The new report also pegged job losses in January and February at 76,000 each month.

Those revisions added an additional 67,000 job losses to previous readings. The Labor Department now estimates that the economy has shed 232,000 jobs in the first three months of this year.

CNN

The nation's unemployment rate jumped to 5.5 percent in May — the biggest monthly rise since 1986 — as nervous employers cut 49,000 jobs.
-Fox News

Sorry mate, but just because we have been in this state before doesnt mean we're ok... and the economy is just showing signs that is going to get even worse...
Yeah, dont believe everything the news say, the numbers are usually higher...

Originally posted by blimpseeker
reply to post by Rockpuck

 

Ok, so lets not trust the graphs and charts from the people that track this for a living, lets just believe Rockpunk who says so.
c'mon! mate! anyone can say this and that but how do you back up your statement?

Its not just RockPunk. Everyone knows that they rig the numbers that way. Its like in Iraq where they claim war dead just for those who die on the ground in Iraq, not the ones in the air for treatment in Germany, or who die thereafter from wounds received in Iraq.

reply to post by blimpseeker

not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet, if someone has, sorry, but unemployment rate figures do not take into account people who are self-employed, I am self employed and unemployed, and I know lots of people who are in the same boat, I would guess that the true unemployment rate is about 5-7 % higher than is publisized.

I get what the OP is saying...don't trust the MSM when it comes to just about anything. He is using this as an example to illustrate this.
The MSM and the PTB have an agenda that they are trying to push. It's up to us to see thru the bs and figure out the truth for ourselves and act accordingly.


[edit on 7-6-2008 by BadgerJoe]

funny you tell people to shoot for a job that makes 14 dollars an hour,hell i make more than that.the fact is there has to be a job to go to so you can make your wages

In the UK the unemployment records get reduced by sticking most people on disablement benefits.

"I can't work I have a sore back" and that sort of thing.