I AM ready for ascension. Are you?

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I have no problem with you at all mate

You could of come accross a little more caring but hey I just read you split with sombody you love, so I fully understand.

MG..

Hehe no that was just an example.. Just seemed you were in the firing line for a little while and I didn't see this fair as you were not trying to prove or disprove anything.

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So please everyone lets just avoid the whole "I know the truth" because nobody does and if they do they can't get the proof. We can only search so lets search in peace.. Together

where did my post go?

ahh double post

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Remember to balance your opennes. Right now you are extremely open to emotional love, don't close off logic, intellect and science because of this. You are also helping me open back up to emotional love as I just went through a very troubling break up about 9 months ago that is still lingering. I've done all that I could to make it go away, but it won't. Perhaps you're that eraser. Rub my scribbles, please, and make them go away.

Balance my opennes? yes I agree I am extreamly open to emotional love but nothing compared to what I was. I have seen this in balance and how you knew of this I find amazing.

Logic, intellect and science As you know I am a scientist so I should be very open to these concepts.However I just cant link the two at the moment. There is plenty of science in ascension but to me its secondary. What is the logic of ascension? To learn and become in perfect balance..easier said than done.

You say your emotional love is blocked due to a break up. Its very hard I can relate to this. The thing with me was the absolute negativity of the situation, to feel complete love then have it taken away is hard to deal with. Time and thinking were the only way back to emotional stability for me. Time to learn to open your heart again, I found I just could not open my heart. I refused the love to come through, I was afraid of failing again. Then a very good friend of mine (On ATS actually) said we must always love, love with all your heart but just be prepared for the fall.

Originally posted by psycho81
You could of come accross a little more caring but hey I just read you split with sombody you love, so I fully understand.

Thank you, relating is all the difference.

So please everyone lets just avoid the whole "I know the truth" because nobody does and if they do they can't get the proof.

Yeah, but here you go again. So is that the truth? That no one knows the truth? And in knowing this, do I now know the truth? You see, be wary of what you say.

We can only search so lets search in peace.. Together

Well, that I agree with.

Originally posted by Mr Green
Balance my opennes? yes I agree I am extreamly open to emotional love but nothing compared to what I was. I have seen this in balance and how you knew of this I find amazing.

Well, you make it known because you deny my logic, intelligence and science and push forth only your emotional love. Where I'd enjoy being emotionally loving to both you and psycho I am restricted by love itself, because love can not lie and love can not manipulate, so I must listen to logic, science and intellect and allow it to over-ride emotional impulse and trust in and accept that the truth is better than emotional comfort.

What is the logic of ascension?

The logic of the universe. If all A's are B and all D's are A, then all B's are D.

To learn and become in perfect balance..easier said than done.

Perhaps. Do you realize though, that outside of your illusion of imbalance that everything is already in perfect balance? That every molecule and every atom exists perfectly in place, and every gust of wind is a perfect reaction of the barometric bars, every strike of lightning a perfect happen of electrical beauty? Do you see the perpetual perfection of happen? This helps loads if you can.

You say your emotional love is blocked due to a break up. Its very hard I can relate to this.

Yes.

The thing with me was the absolute negativity of the situation, to feel complete love then have it taken away is hard to deal with.

Yes, it is, and because my love was true there was no way to escape it, and because of how the situation ended there was no way to explain it.

Time and thinking were the only way back to emotional stability for me. Time to learn to open your heart again, I found I just could not open my heart.

I'm personally not ready, but if it should happen I'll pack my bags and portmanteu my belongings.

I refused the love to come through, I was afraid of failing again. Then a very good friend of mine (On ATS actually) said we must always love, love with all your heart but just be prepared for the fall.

I'm not denying mine. I just don't think I want it anymore. It seems that the emotional love is not what I want to find a connection with first. I'd rather find a connection with logical, intellectual and scientific love, so that I know the truth will always be there... and then allow the seed of emotional love to grow.

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I am going to stop posting just so you don't quote a whole dam page of what people have already read.

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Okay, cya.

I post and quote so that I can also reply more efficiently. It helps to have what I'm replying to right in front of my face so that I can read it and look at it continuously in order to formulate a well structured response.

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The information itself of the concepts of "length", "height", "width" are contained within the "information layer" as some refer to it as which could be considered a "dimension" within itself. You can scoff at that idea, but you'd simply be wrong. Every single scientist & physicist who isn't an crusty old high school teacher is saying essentially the same thing. And guess what? They're all based on frequency, harmonics, resonance, vibration or whatever you want to call it.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternalNow that I can agree with. Resonate frequencies open up worlds of energy and alternatives.

See the above statement and I highly highly suggest you look into the two doc's I posted earlier if you haven't already. I think you'll like what they are saying. Unless you want to clash with them on how much better of a scientist you are...

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternalWell, here we go again! You want me to believe in the invisible and not only that but to create it as a physical dimension along side the terminology of physics.

I believe in the invisible...like radio waves, microwaves? Carries information & energy on it.... Or is it that you just don't believe in the invisible that scares you?

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternalPlease don't take the term "follow your dreams" too literal.

What if your dreams are literal?


Oh and I think you have ascended into "something" indeed my friend and your two buddies too. [snip]

Lighten up, you're arguing for no reason at all on principles that everyone is essentially agreeing on, including versica Pisces boy wytworm with his Epistemology. You just have a massive ego problem, get over yourself.

So you want to do the science cha-cha on this subject let's dance, first boogey is yours...






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I'm not denying mine. I just don't think I want it anymore. It seems that the emotional love is not what I want to find a connection with first. I'd rather find a connection with logical, intellectual and scientific love, so that I know the truth will always be there... and then allow the seed of emotional love to grow.

You can not , you must learn to open your heart again other wise you will become a logical robot. It seems we two would be perfect as one, you could take my love and I could take your logic. Is this not the problem with ascension, we all have different levels we have progressed in but still need each other to learn in the others we lack.

No my friend I will not turn my back on love, I have learnt to accept its power, because it is a power, its an energy we emit as beings with a set frequency. Pure love is NOT an emotion. It is important in ascension but the things you speak of also are important. I feel I still have a very long way to go but have learnt alot from you today.

Yes I am too emotional I do let the heart take over, I will become more logical in my search. I do not know of what scientific facts can help me but if they are there I will find them.

Is it possible to make a mistake with ones ascension? Can we mess up totally and ruin our potential? This I ask myself all the time. Are we given chances to learn but with limited patience. We are allowed to learn from our mistakes but must not make that mistake again? How will we know we have made a mistake? I have been trusting my heart to tell me what is right and what is wrong up to know, but now you say this is not logical.

Can a light being loose its light I wonder?

Originally posted by Shakesbeer
You can scoff at that idea, but you'd simply be wrong.

I will scoff at it, and no I'm not simply wrong because you say so. It takes more convincing than that. There's not an "information layer", the 3 dimensions are the information. And any "information layer" existing would also be 3 dimensional.

Every single scientist & physicist who isn't a crusty old high school teacher is saying essentially the same thing.

Like who? The esteemed Micho Kaku? We went over him already and his TT theories. No, every single scientist and physicist other than "crust old high school teachers" don't embrace this idea.

And guess what? They're all based on frequency, harmonics, resonance, vibration or whatever you want to call it.

Right. I know all about them. I'm currently working with my N38 nidium ferromagnets to make something based on resonate frequencies and hydrogen. And guess what, they're all 3 dimensional. and exist 3 dimensionally.

Unless you want to clash with them on how much better of a scientist you are...

If this is a taunt; I don't just say that I am. I prove it. There's a difference.

I believe in the invisible...like radio waves, microwaves?Carries information & energy on it....

Those things are only invisible to the naked eye, but even their effects are visible to the naked eye. We can see microwaves, radio waves, electromagnetic waves using optical machinery tuned to perceive their frequencies.

Or is it that you just don't believe in the invisible that scares you?

I don't believe in anything. I only deal with the factual which happens to be the physical and the physical is not invisible. Like that stanza of rhyming poetics?

What if your dreams are literal?

In a sense they are. You literally have dreams. But as we said, if all of my dreams were literal then I expect to be walking down the street in rush hour traffic naked sometime soon. You've gotta be able to decipher and separate fantasy from reality. Not saying that it's bad to fantasize, just remember where it stands in cases like this. The oceans will never turn into purple gatoraide... man that'd be awesome though.

Oh and I think you have ascended into "something" indeed my friend and your two buddies too. Your hypocritical avatar certainly does match your shade...

And in the next quote you're going to tell me to lighten up after just finishing telling me stop being hypocritical after insulting me and two other people that you don't even know. Now that's an oxymoron and a hypocritical statement if I've never seen one.

Lighten up, you're arguing for no reason at all on principles that everyone is essentially agreeing on, including. You just have a massive ego problem, get over yourself.

Science is not a religion, buddy. It was made to be questioned, changed, and built upon when and where necessary and sound. I think you need to get over me.

So you want to do the science cha-cha on this subject let's dance, first boogey is yours...

What? Go create another thread and challenge me in front of all of ATS. I'll take it on. Ego problem? There's no problem here, I have it all figured out.

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I feel my light threatened , why is this? Its nothing to do with any one personally here but something has happened to me today.

I am not where I thought i was, I need to go and think why I feel I am risking loosing the battle. This is a battle on many levels, and its a very hard one to win. I can not afford to loose my energy, it has been given to me to use and I cant allow it to become taken or manipulated. My question in this has always been a very difficult one to answer, well its two questions really I guess.

1) How can we recognize the teachings of a true light being. Many claim they are but are not, they are dark posing as light.

2) What corrupts our inner strength, what is it we must turn away from?

I feel this has been yet another awakening for me, Im confused again but I think I needed to be

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
I will scoff at it, and no I'm not simply wrong because you say so. It takes more convincing than that. There's not an "information layer", the 3 dimensions are the information. And any "information layer" existing would also be 3 dimensional.

Worked for you! Keeping hammer that square peg in that round hole buddy, I'm sure you'll push something out the ass-end.

Like who? The esteemed Micho Kaku? We went over him already and his TT theories. No, every single scientist and physicist other than "crust old high school teachers" don't embrace this idea.

What do you collect physicist trading cards or something? You point me to the most current poll of "scientists" on the subject on what they think then..I figured since we've been having a BS opinion round-and-round that was the rules you like to play by...I'd be interested in the aforementioned poll though. Kind of like when they wanted to burn Galileo for his "crazy" theories

Right. I know all about them. I'm currently working with my N38 nidium ferromagnets to make something based on resonate frequencies and hydrogen. And guess what, they're all 3 dimensional. and exist 3 dimensionally.

Sweet what are you doing arguing with me on concepts I agree with you on then instead of working on sweet nidium ferromagnets?

If this is a taunt; I don't just say that I am. I prove it. There's a difference.

LOL yeah you've proved there's 3 Dimensions...welcome to humanity Good job, there's hope for you yet

Those things are only invisible to the naked eye, but even their effects are visible to the naked eye. We can see microwaves, radio waves, electromagnetic waves using optical machinery tuned to perceive their frequencies.

Uh...Duh Lastout..duuuh...What do you think we use thermal imaging and night vision optical for? Oh and what did I say in one of my first posts about ghosts & ufos and all that other weirdness? Oh yeah people have been having insane luck getting pictures of them with those devices. Once again, you're arguing with the wrong guy, we're speaking the same logic & rules here.

I don't believe in anything. I only deal with the factual which happens to be the physical and the physical is not invisible. Like that stanza of rhyming poetics?

Okay I'll assume yes then, nice blockage there. Want me to prove you just demonstrated a perceptual block? Okay! I believe you when you talk about resonate frequencies because I too have researched the facts on wave functions, and I'm trusting you(yeah I see the fallacy don't worry) that you are obviously a professional in the field and I find this all killer stuff myself in my studies. Which of course are based on our beloved physics So now you also said that I was "Right" in my assertions about resonate frequencies. So you essentially "believed" in my statement enough to share your impressive trade with us And I do mean "believe" by definition of the word : To have confidence in the assertions of (a person).

So you do "believe" in something, sorry, you can't escape that concept. Heh I tried really hard myself...

In a sense they are.....

Thank you

And in the next quote you're going to tell me to lighten up after just finishing telling me stop being hypocritical after insulting me and two other people that you don't even know. Now that's an oxymoron and a hypocritical statement if I've never seen one.

LOL now you're getting it! It's a little game I call "reflection", I play it with everyone I meet who likes to project insecurities on others But it's cool dude, I'm sorry for judging you so harshly as well. I'm no better then you of course -bows humbly-

PS- I didn't say who your two "friends" where or even knew if they existed for that matter...

Science is not a religion, buddy. It was made to be questioned, changed, and built upon when and where necessary and sound. I think you need to get over me.

Yeah it's "a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws". So what does that say? Look into the definitions of all of the words, "branch", "knowledge", "study" to name a few, what are those in a particular individual's case? You or I cannot answer that...

What? Go create another thread and challenge me in front of all of ATS. I'll take it on. Ego problem? There's no problem here, I have it all figured out.

Heh, you sure have it "figured out" there guy...no ego problem at all. Sure. No ego, that from a guy who gets off on bullying people who aren't as much of reductionists as he is? No ego, yet you can't let the brash statements of a man who doesn't fancy himself a "scientist" necessarily pass under the bridge...ON SUBJECTS I'M AGREEING WITH YOU ON. Sure....if you say so. If you want to beat up on the artist who just made you do a a round and round while presenting facts that actually kind of help prove you right, fine. I'm not afraid to lose, I have nothing too lose, I'm just tired of seeing you call everyone stupid & ignorant for no reason while keep looking down your nose at everyone like you're superior. While you're not even smart enough to see that what some of the people in here are saying will probably help you with your trade and field of study if you were not such a self righteous [snip] So that's why I'm being a hypocrite just for you....


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Hello all, I have posted a new thread, Does Ascension Agree with Science? Located here www.abovetopsecret.com... please fell free to post your scientific related thoughts about ascension here.

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The science of ascension you say... well I know nothing of this so I dont feel I will be posting.

Some say ascension is about pure love, an energy that has a frequency that can not be seen or tested for but can be felt by those that radiate it out. Is this scientific.. no it is not but who cares. I know this love is pure beyond doubt and I for one will continue to seek out the light .

Yes logic does play a part in ascension as does reason yet I still feel in my heart that love , pure love is the most important energy we can seek as humans. When we love with a love so pure we naturally reject ego, power , hate and greed .

Some will say Im mis guided, I have turned to the dark , this light I seek is a false light. Yes this may be true but all I can do is trust my inner light and follow my heart, this is all I can do.

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Not a problem Mr. Green. Honestly I don't expect the thread to get too much attention, however it is there for those who would like to debate wether ascension can be achieved in the pysical world or not. I look forward to hearing anyones thought on this, good or bad.

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If all A's are B and all D's are A, then all B's are D.


Thats wrong isn't it? Wouldn't it be If all A's are B and all D's are A then all D's are B? We don't know in that all B's are A right?

Originally posted by Mr Green
reply to post by 12.21.12

 

Yes logic does play a part in ascension as does reason yet I still feel in my heart that love , pure love is the most important energy we can seek as humans. When we love with a love so pure we naturally reject ego, power , hate and greed .



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AMEN!
People might think love isn't that effective. But it most definitely is.
They might use the example of the message "peace and love" the hippies spread around in the 60's, and say that in today's world their message was worth nothing and situations are worse. But these situations happening right now would not have happened if love was not in action before the situation. For example the war in Iraq. What are the main reasons of this war?
1. Oil $$$
2. Power ( By using the excuse of terrorism they have the American people in fear of a next attack. So the people turn to the government for protection.)

One with pure love would naturally reject greed. Which is what caused the war. We have the power to eliminate all this. We need to start the change NOW, to do this we must start from within.

Acension?
The rest of the season of scrubs isn't even out yet.....
No way I'm acending! lol

Yeah but really no.

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Really?

That show sucks!

Originally posted by wytworm
Thats wrong isn't it? Wouldn't it be If all A's are B and all D's are A then all D's are B? We don't know in that all B's are A right?

If all B's are D then all D's are B.

All B's are A was the premise of the equation. There's nothing to be questioned there. It's a default axiom. The part where logic comes into play is figuring out that all B's are D, all D's are B.

Keep in mind that the letters A, B, and D do not represent alhpabetical value, rather they are hypothetical variables.