Two dead in Gaza-Israel attacks

Two dead in Gaza-Israel attacks

news.bbc.co.uk

A young Palestinian girl has been killed by an Israeli shell in the southern Gaza Strip, medics said

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[edit on 5/6/2008 by Mirthful Me]

well well , Israel is up to its usual pass time killing palestinains ,
just like how nazis murdered jews for fun and 'in name of aryan race'

The hospital in the southern Gaza town of Khan Younis hospital identified the girl as Aya al-Manjar and said her mother was critically wounded.

israel attacks civilians instead of terrorists always why is that so??


news.bbc.co.uk
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[edit on 5/6/2008 by Mirthful Me]

Perhaps you can post all of the articles about terrorists like Hamas killing Israeli civillians. Since you posted two articles you should be able to find 20 or so easily.

reply to post by manson_322


Yup, Israel was actually aiming for the lil girl and her mother. Wasn't an accident and or tragedy of war in no way, pure murder right there..

Pesky retaliatory strikes...

reply to post by scottie18


The IDF kills Palestinians at a rate of more than 4:1.

4300 Palestinians have been killed since 2000, vs. 1000 Israelis.

Lebanese die at a rate of 10:1 with 1,119 killed in 2006 vs. 119 Israelis.

You seem to ignore the part of the article that says

"The attack, which also injured two women, came after Palestinian militants shelled an Israeli kibbutz, killing a civilian and wounding four others."

Should Israel never retaliate against the militants that fire rockets at their citizens?

Is it OK for the Palestinians to fire unguided munitions at Israel?

It takes both sides to have peace. It doesn't seem that the Palestinians don't want to have peace unless it's on their terms.

reply to post by mythatsabigprobe


Would you be happy if the result was opposite?
And since you deal with those gruesome numbers - there were 1500 Israeli deaths. Sorry if it spoils the math a bit.
Plus, can you explain me why there is such disproportional amount of man vs women on Palestinian side? Actually less women killed then on Israeli side.
And a lot of man (fighters maybe?). Plus too much children (shield maybe?).

reply to post by ZeroKnowledge


I'd be 'happy' if the result was zero on both sides. But I have trouble feeling sympathy for the side that's doing most of the killing.

reply to post by mythatsabigprobe


First of all - zero killed is a great thing. How - is the problem....
And there is no need for sympathy. Palestinian civilians deserve it much more. There is a need for understanding the issue.
How do you stop firing of missile from areas were civilian population lives? Sadly Israel has yet to find other solution then to try and fire at the selected target with a noticeable percentage of deaths among civilians. Just try to imagine yourself in this situation. No firing back - Israeli public will go berserk. Firing back - innocents die. Invade - a lot more innocents die. Talk - gives short break with much better rockets later falling on you.
Look up in goggle map at the places of Israeli settlements that were removed by Israel. They are empty - nobody lives there. And yet it is not used as a fire base for rocket launchers, but crowded Palestinian cities/neighborhoods/villages are. And using human shield to minimize losses of terrorists costs this shield dearly.
I understand that Palestinian population has much simpler problems - like how to eat and not get in the way of bullets, but simply pointing your finger at certain direction to show a bad guy is hardly fair.

reply to post by manson_322



That is a tragedy, truly.

The bigger tragedy is it was caused by Muslim terrorists.

They put their unguided rocket launchers at schools, children’s play grounds, civilian homes and big surprise that is where the RESPONCES go.

Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
reply to post by scottie18

 

The IDF kills Palestinians at a rate of more than 4:1.

4300 Palestinians have been killed since 2000, vs. 1000 Israelis.

Lebanese die at a rate of 10:1 with 1,119 killed in 2006 vs. 119 Israelis.

You would think that the Palestinians would learn by now . . . you kill one Israeli, 4 Palestinians will die . . . and yet they keep head-butting the same brick wall

You would think that the Palestinians would learn by now . . . you kill one Israeli, 4 Palestinians will die . . . and yet they keep head-butting the same brick wall

disgusting post, shows the fact that you support Israeli war crimes against humanity

It takes both sides to have peace. It doesn't seem that the Palestinians don't want to have peace unless it's on their terms.

how about israelis first stop constructing the apartheid wall

[edit on 6-6-2008 by manson_322]

Some don't see Israel's actions as war crimes. I don't. I think sometimes they are a bit heavy handed and get carried away .. for instance Lebanon .. that was a fiasco.. but this? .. This is just more numbers to add to the overall fiasco that is the situation.

The "apartheid" wall was built because Palestinians had a nasty habit of sneaking in with bombs and blowing night clubs and buses to smithereens..

Hmm..

No one cared about that. The wall is very effective, if it cuts the good Palestinians out as well, so be it. When they learn to stand up and end violence from THEIR end, Israel will end violence from their side as well.. sadly in this case if there is ever going to be peace Palestine must be the first to stop attacking.

I don't remember Rachael Cory having any missles. Funny...

reply to post by Rockpuck

Some don't see Israel's actions as war crimes. I don't. I think sometimes they are a bit heavy handed and get carried away .. for instance Lebanon .. that was a fiasco.. but this? .. This is just more numbers to add to the overall fiasco that is the situation.

The "apartheid" wall was built because Palestinians had a nasty habit of sneaking in with bombs and blowing night clubs and buses to smithereens..

and it was the israeli ethnic cleansing that created Palestinian refugees
for every action there an equal and opposite reaction ...

the palestinain suicide attacks are the poor man's way of fighting back against genocidal israelis........

Some don't see Israel's actions as war crimes. I don't. I think sometimes they are a bit heavy handed and get carried away .. for instance Lebanon

thank you for showing your imperialist racist colors like the nazis .
the Geneva Convention and Nuremberg trials defines the acts(like those performed by USA in Iraq and Israel and those commited by soviets in afghanistan) as war crimes....

[edit on 7-6-2008 by manson_322]

What is more tragic is another extremely bias post on ATS that refuses to address that many innocent people on both sides of the conflict are effected. Instead he/she is blaming the Jews (again)

The fact the OP justified sucide bombings in the above post and does not know the meaning of the word genocide just shows the mentality we are dealing with here. Playing the holocaust card is tasteless too. What is funny, yet again, the OP is calling everyone "imperialist racist nazi's" for pointing out his/her poor agruments. Learn the meaning of words before throwing them around in future

Secondly, if you bother paying attention or even reading the Geneva Conventions; you will clearly see the Israeli's have not violated any of the protocols. No one has accused them of breaking it either. Not even the United Nations.

My final point is this. Do you know Palestinians in the West Bank are sick of the new left in the West pretending they are speaking for them? Palestinians want peace with Israel and vice-versa, but little Westerners seem to think different. Go to the West Bank and show them this thread; President Abbas will probably recommend you pay a visit to Hamas in Gaza. Btw, do you know who Abbas is? (without using Google, please)

Has the OP ever been to the West Bank or does he/she sit at home declaring e-jihad on the internet instead? So please, understand the conflict before getting excited with your keyboard in future

Unlike the OP, infinite has friends in Israel and from Palestine. I understand the conflict unlike some.

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reply to post by infinite

Instead he/she is blaming the Jews

really , and how is that , i am blaming jews , not israel ...

Secondly, if you bother paying attention or even reading the Geneva Conventions; you will clearly see the Israeli's have not violated any of the protocols. No one has accused them of breaking it either. Not even the United Nations.

clearly this is BS from a person , who has not read Geneva conventions and neither the ICC or nuremburg trials...

Belligerent occupation is governed by The Hague Regulations of 1907, as well as by the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949, and the customary laws of belligerent occupation. Security Council Resolution 1322 (2000), paragraph 3 continued: "Calls upon Israel, the occupying Power, to abide scrupulously by its legal obligations and its responsibilities under the Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in a Time of War of 12 August 1949;..." Again, the Security Council vote was 14 to 0, becoming obligatory international law.

The Fourth Geneva Convention applies to the West Bank, to the Gaza Strip, and to the entire City of Jerusalem, in order to protect the Palestinians living there. The Palestinian People living in this Palestinian Land are "protected persons" within the meaning of the Fourth Geneva Convention. All of their rights are sacred under international law.

There are 149 substantive articles of the Fourth Geneva Convention that protect the rights of every one of these Palestinians living in occupied Palestine. The Israeli Government is currently violating, and has since 1967 been violating, almost each and every one of these sacred rights of the Palestinian People recognized by the Fourth Geneva Convention. Indeed, violations of the Fourth Geneva Convention are war crimes.
www.mediamonitors.net...

clearly Israel violates the Geneva conventions , AND IS CLEARLY IS WAR CRIMES....

No one has accused them of breaking it either. Not even the United Nations.

lol, This is the biggest load of BS I ever read...

The U.N. Human Rights Commission

Indeed, it is far more serious than that. On 19 October 2000 a Special Session of the U.N. Commission on Human Rights adopted a Resolution set forth in U.N. Document E/CN.4/S-5/L.2/Rev. 1, "Condemning the provocative visit to Al-Haram Al-Sharif on 28 September 2000 by Ariel Sharon, the Likud party leader, which triggered the tragic events that followed in occupied East Jerusalem and the other occupied Palestinian territories, resulting in a high number of deaths and injuries among Palestinian civilians." The U.N. Human Rights Commission then said it was "[g]ravely concerned" about several different types of atrocities inflicted by Israel upon the Palestinian People, which it denominated "war crimes, flagrant violations of international humanitarian law and crimes against humanity."

In operative paragraph 1 of its 19 October 2000 Resolution, the U.N. Human Rights Commission then: "Strongly condemns the disproportionate and indiscriminate use of force in violation of international humanitarian law by the Israeli occupying Power against innocent and unarmed Palestinian civilians...including many children, in the occupied territories, which constitutes a war crime and a crime against humanity;..." And in paragraph 5 of its 19 October 2000 Resolution, the U.N. Human Rights Commission: "Also affirms that the deliberate and systematic killing of civilians and children by the Israeli occupying authorities constitutes a flagrant and grave violation of the right to life and also constitutes a crime against humanity;..." Article 68 of the United Nations Charter had expressly required the U.N.'s Economic and Social Council to "set up" this Commission "for the promotion of human rights."
www.mediamonitors.net...

The paradigmatic example of a "crime against humanity" is what Hitler and the Nazis did to the Jewish People. This is where the concept of crime against humanity came from. And this is what the U.N. Human Rights Commission determined that Israel is currently doing to the Palestinian People: Crimes against humanity. Legally, just like what Hitler and the Nazis did to the Jews.

The Precursor to Genocide

Moreover, a crime against humanity is the direct historical and legal precursor to the international crime of genocide as defined by the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. The theory here was that what Hitler and the Nazis did to the Jewish People required a special international treaty that would codify and universalize the Nuremberg concept of "crime against humanity." And that treaty ultimately became the 1948 Genocide Convention.
www.mediamonitors.net...

Though party to the 1949 Geneva Conventions, the state of Israel until now refuses to sign on to the 1st Additional Protocol, with all its protections and moral norms. In essence the protocol is complementary to the 1951 Genocide Convention: it outlaws many of the insidious ways in which a whole population may be erased. How ironic that Israel remains outside, its citizens composed of Jews who faced an equal rationality of extermination within the time frame of recent memory.
weekly.ahram.org.eg...

Unlike the OP, infinite has friends in Israel and from Palestine. I understand the conflict unlike some.

proof??? seems to lies to me ....

The fact the OP justified sucide bombings in the above post and does not know the meaning of the word genocide just shows the mentality we are dealing with here. Playing the holocaust card is tasteless too. What is funny, yet again, the OP is calling everyone "imperialist racist nazi's" for pointing out his/her poor agruments. Learn the meaning of words before throwing them around in future

please prove my arguements as poor as your arguements have zero credibility currently

Learn the meaning of words before throwing them around in future

go learn the geneva conventions first:

for your info on the 1st additional protocol:
the 1st Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions, 1977 -- is explicit: "It is prohibited to attack, destroy, remove or render useless objects indispensable to the survival of the civilian population, such as foodstuffs, agricultural areas for the production of foodstuffs, crops, livestock, drinking water installations and supplies such as irrigation works, for the specific purpose of denying ... sustenance value to the civilian population or to the adverse Party, whatever the motive, whether in order to starve out civilians, to cause them to move away, or any other motive."

[edit on 7-6-2008 by manson_322]

more for you infinite ....UN general assembly

Special Political Committee says Israel's 'grave breaches' of Geneva Convention are 'war crimes and an affront to humanity'

The Special Political Committee on 8 November asked the General Assembly to declare that Israel's "grave breaches" of the 1949 Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War were "war crimes and an affront to humanity".

The Committee also asked the Assembly to condemn "the continued and persistent violation" by Israel of the 1949 Geneva Convention and other applicable international instruments, and "strongly" condemn 15 specific examples of Israeli policies and practices in the occupied territories.
findarticles.com...

from 1986, Un chronicle

[edit on 7-6-2008 by manson_322]

Firstly, the UN Human Rights Council and Commission is a joke. Many nations with poor records are allowed on the Commission, Zimbabwe once had a seat on it. Arabs nations, which are currently on the council, are carrying out bias campaigns against every other nation and blocking the UN from investigating their own abuse (Egypt for example)

Your sources are extremely bias towards Israel especially Al-Ahram weekly, which thinks Islamists are a force of peace and Jews control America Yeah...not the best source in the world. As for Media Monitors: Well, that site thinks Christian Zionists are committing genocide against Muslims across the world and many articles seem to have problems with Jews.

And, more worrying, it writes about conflicts which the July 7th bombers in London mentioned in their suicide tapes and blamed on the Jews. Not the best thing to be posting on ATS.

Why are you posting sources which are extremely anti-semitic?

The fact you are posting anti-semitic sites and insulting the memories of 6 million Jews is quite sick. Genocide means wiping out an entire race of people, Israel has not killed dozen of Palestinians. Notice how your little Arab nationalist websites do not mention that

Btw, that UN general assembly vote. Did you read the article? Over 20 nations abstained on key parts because they believed the draft speech was political motivated. None of the main council members voted.

So, I have just proved all you are doing is using anti-semitic websites and Arab nationalism to back up your posts.



[edit on 7-6-2008 by infinite]

If you do not believe it about Al-Ahram, here is a site showing their anti-semitic view.

Anti-Semitic Cartoons (Contains shocking pictures)

(ATS members may find the drawing of the Star of David pretty offensive)

It is also believed to have links to terrorist groups, mainly Hamas, and has been characterised as a "apologist" to Islamic terrorism. American members will be shocked by the papers views on 9/11 by saying the attacks were justified.

I think the OP is going to be very embarrassed for using a quite offensive source.