Eustace Texas Student Arrested Because Of RUMORS

Eustace Texas Student Arrested Because Of RUMORS

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EUSTACE — A Eustace High School student remains in Henderson County Jail, charged with making terroristic threats at Eustace High School.

He was taken into custody last Thursday morning from the EISDs Discipline Alternative Education Program (DAEP).

Underhill was arrested by Eustace Police Chief Robert Walker at the site and charged with the third-degree felony.

He remained in jail Tuesday afternoon, in lieu of a $50,000 bond.

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Chris Underhill is my nephew. There is no hit list. They placed him in alternative school because of other students saying that he had a hit list. These students are ALL lying; they do not like Chris because he is different. They then arrested him after searching his house and finding NOTHING. There never was a hit list. Even after the last day of school [when he was supposedly supposed to kill the people on his hit list] he is still being held in jail. These people are wrong and someone should really do something about it. He didn't even get to walk the stage for graduation because of these false rumors. It's pathetic that people would go to this far of a length to hurt someone they don't like.

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reply to post by ElectroKate


As someone who was "different" in high school, I feel your pain. I had rumours spread about me as well. There was even a petition circulated to stop me from going to prom.


But you know what? It was a culmination of my own doing. The way I responded to the normal childhood harassment was completely contrary to what most people expected, which caused more people to get interested in trying to upset me. Eventually I had to learn that if you want to get a long in society, then that's exactly what you have to do. Those of us who are "different" have to try harder than anyone else to fit in, and thats just the way it is.

I'm sorry that the kids spread rumours about your nephew, but what the police did wasn't wrong, they simply responded to a "community concern".

Remember, this is a democracy where majority rules, which means you kinda have to make nice with the majority when you are in a cross section of young, hormone filled idealists.

I hope the police certainly realize what happened here quickly and release your nephew. I also hope your nephew learns how to train people to respond to him.

My disabled son was suspended for writing a list of people he ' hated'...he had it hidden in a notebook and the teacher admitted that he had told the child to write his feelings about the other kids down...and as he had no friends and was treated badly for being disabled he hated basically all his peers...but he NEVER threatened anyone..just said he ' hated ' them.

I raised enough hell to get the matter resolved and off his record...and the cops here would never cross me by hassling my son...they know a lawsuit would be immediate. In this day and age rights are being shredded and cops are salivating to get a chance to raid a home with no cause and arrest some kid on the basis of rumors and such. Police state crap, as usual. The ONLY way to stop police misconduct and false arrests is to SUE the filth in Federal court for damages...that gets a cops attention like nothing else can.

Originally posted by eyewitness86
My disabled son was suspended for writing a list of people he ' hated'...he had it hidden in a notebook and the teacher admitted that he had told the child to write his feelings about the other kids down...and as he had no friends and was treated badly for being disabled he hated basically all his peers...but he NEVER threatened anyone..just said he ' hated ' them.

I raised enough hell to get the matter resolved and off his record...and the cops here would never cross me by hassling my son...they know a lawsuit would be immediate. In this day and age rights are being shredded and cops are salivating to get a chance to raid a home with no cause and arrest some kid on the basis of rumors and such. Police state crap, as usual. The ONLY way to stop police misconduct and false arrests is to SUE the filth in Federal court for damages...that gets a cops attention like nothing else can.

Just to set the record straight, in my case which I posted right before yours. It was a disabled child who was the ringleader of the kids who harassed me.

The difference was, he had learned how to train others to respond to him, and I hadn't.



[edit on 4-6-2008 by Quazga]

I understand that the Police took needed action, but by now they should have figured out that they were wrong. Even after no evidence of a list being found in his whole house, they shouldn't have arrested him. He was doing just fine in Alternative School. Yes, Chris does bring some trouble on himself, but he never did anything to deserve his life being screwed up like it has been by this ordeal.

Originally posted by ElectroKate
I understand that the Police took needed action, but by now they should have figured out that they were wrong. Even after no evidence of a list being found in his whole house, they shouldn't have arrested him. He was doing just fine in Alternative School. Yes, Chris does bring some trouble on himself, but he never did anything to deserve his life being screwed up like it has been by this ordeal.

I agree, the police should realize by now what's going on. And I hope they do soon.

No child ever "deserves" to have the things happen to them that often do. The thing is, as unfortunate as it might be, we have to be vigilant about making sure things don't happen to us like this.

The reason I tell my child not to cause problems isn't because of what might happen to him which would be called for, but because of the chance of something much worse occuring to him.

For example, when I was in school, you could look at me wrong and I'd stab you with a pencil. I was a troubled child. Kids have to be aware that people will do crazy things. It's a bad idea to attempt to condition a child to what normal well adjusted people will do, just because that's not what's going to be a problem. It's the not so well adjusted people we got to watch out for.

This is true in corporate america as well. The executives are not typically rational human beings. So before you go telling one of them they are wrong, you got to figure out an extremely diplomatic way of doing so, and even then expect the worst.

Sounds like you have a cool nephew though, maybe a little troubled, but I think he can grow from this.

My eldest son was suspended for making a list. The list was for his birthday party but an anal moron in the principals office saw him adding to it in the cafeteria and grabbed him and said it was a drug buyers list and literaly dragged my son by the hair to the office and called the police. They then dragged every kid whos name was on it and tried to get warrants to search our houses. 26 kids parents decended on the school and made it very plain that should ANYTHING happen to any one on the list, they had a class action to deal with. We didn't stand for the BS and fought back. We where lucky. Your nephew is going to have a hard row to hoe on this. Guilt by association is rampant in our schools and workplaces.
Alist is just a list untill its acted on and a good lawyer (expensive) shopuld be able to make that school squirm.
PS This was years before Columbine(1987)

Zindo

[edit on 6/4/2008 by ZindoDoone]

It looks pretty obvious the young man needs a lawyer.
Has he been before a judge and appointed counsel?
Are you aware of what this new evidence is?

So, it seems to me the only evidence of any wrongdoing is the word of some high school students. No corroborating evidence? I must have missed the session where "innocent until proven guilty" was changed to "guilty if the accuser says you are". Sounds more like a domestic violence case in that respect.

The kid should be released with an apology unless there is evidence that he did something wrong.

Our children are being taught 'group think' by the system. Or rather, they are not being taught to recognize and maturely contend with the 'group think' mentality.

Might I remind you of the 'voting kindergarten' class' horrendous manipulation by their teacher recently.

This is a very bad trend - lynch mob mentality - rising like a disease among our children who long for the 'power' to affect someone's life - even if it is vicariously through others. Fight this by teaching your children, show them what YOU think, and how YOU would act in a similar situation.

Suggest they read or watch movies of the examples provided by the arts in the days BEFORE the media became a force for homogenized stupidity. - there's plenty out there.


[edit on 4-6-2008 by Maxmars]

Originally posted by Quazga
reply to post by ElectroKate

 

Remember, this is a democracy where majority rules, which means you kinda have to make nice with the majority when you are in a cross section of young, hormone filled idealists.

A lil OT but out of curiosity where did you get this notion from that this is a democracy?

reply to post by Quazga


Community concern? You don't get it do you? You used to need evidence to Jail someone. You used to need probable cause not RUMORS. This is a violation of due process. If they can do this to him they can do it to anybody. Even you, on rumors.

Jesus, what the Hell is wrong with schools these days? When I was in high school I wore a black trenchcoat and fedora, carried military surplus rucksacks for bookbags and packed a Swiss Army knife.

And not one single authority figure had a problem with it (aside from my hat indoors, that is). My electronics shop teacher borrowed my knife so much I practically had to beg him to buy his own!

Back then (1988-92) when a person had a problem with you they brought it up to your face. They didn't sneak around like sick little weasels to the teachers and administrators trying to get you in trouble. Hell, the few who tried that garbage usually ended up in trouble themselves, for wasting the principal's time! Amazing what a difference sixteen years can make.

We had open-campus lunches, no metal detectors, no cops, no cameras--and we did just fine. But, as usual, a few idiots off their meds (and oblivious parents not watching their kids) have ruined it for everyone.

Welcome to the Police State, where training to be a slave begins in school.

People should not have to walk on eggshells to please mainstream America.

Those who harass others will look for any reason to do so. Kissing up to them only encourages it.

I am sorry for your nephew. Tell him to not let the weakness of others affect him. It already did with him getting falsely accused, but strength arises out of stressful situations.

reply to post by Quazga



"" Remember, this is a democracy where majority rules, ""


A Democracy? Really?

Care to show me where it says that in our Constitution, I'd love to see it!?

reply to post by ElectroKate


It seems to me that your nephew is just the victim of the "in" kids because he is different and relatively new to the area. They seem to have a problem with his artistic nature and his choice of art.



This country is going to hell, when i was in high school kids didn't go around trying to get other kids arrested because they didn't "fit in " . What these kids probably see as sticking it to him, may very well ruin his life. It's really a shame when the athorities take away a young mans freedom simply because of the rumors of a few who don't accept him.


I don't see how they charged him without concrete evidence, seems like it's all circumstantial hearsay. I also noticed that they said that there are people that have signed statements and will testify, but no one that has seen the supposed list will come public with it.


I understand that the police have to take the necessary precautions, but i think it really sucks that he had to miss his graduation ! They could have escorted him to and from the graduation ceremony just as they did to and from the alternative school. He worked years to finish school and deserved to graduate on stage ! Now if it comes out that this was just a case of kids targeting him for being different, or an old girlfriend getting back at him, they can't give him back what he lost out on.


What concerns me is that this could effect his plans for his future career. Even if he is innocent, the felony charges may very well prevent the military from accepting him.


I would suggest that if the charges are dropped, or if it goes to trial and he is found not guilty that he pursue a civil suit against the parties that signed the statements against him. If the accusations were unfounded they should be sued for liable & defimation of character.

[edit on 4/6/08 by chise61]

reply to post by ElectroKate



What happened to him, is due to the chaos injected into our society.

It's not gonna be a police state, it's gonna be a police planet.


This is insane. I'm sorry that happened.

It really sucks not to fit in...sometimes, it's a character builder.

Maybe if a good portion of the town showed up to complain about this, maybe in the future something similar might be handled different.



Alot of my comments here, are rejected as he was...


I wish I could think of something to help.

Originally posted by Quazga
[Remember, this is a democracy where majority rules, which means you kinda have to make nice with the majority when you are in a cross section of young, hormone filled idealists.]

[I also hope your nephew learns how to train people to respond to him.]

I'm sorry to disillusion you but America is NOT a democracy, It is a republic, majority doen't rule, 2/3 rds rules.


And this situation has nothing to do with what percentage rules, what it has to do with is a miscarriage of justice. They have locked this young man up and charged him with a third degree felony based solely on rumors. Where is the evidence against him?


He doesn't have to make "nice" with anybody, he has a right to be different and live his life how he wants to, not how his classmates want him to. Since when did it become a crime in this country to be different, to stray from the norm ?


Can you please explain to me how he is supposed to go about "training" people on how to respond to him ?