Me RFID Chipped-Without inforned consent

Give me information. Please

I believe I was RFID Chipped by Halliburtan Corporation, in Houston, TX.

Prior to deploying as a Contractor, to Iraq. Op name: LOGCAP

Funny vaccination site: Right Medial Humerous area. Non standard injection site. Then the MD said " your a Vet ". I have never been in the DOD.

Medical Company at the site: ONSITE MEDICAL

People know my name 300 feet from me.

Believe multi pupose device.

Seeking Attorney.

Timothy Farnam

Grants Pass. Oregon

The RFID chips the size of a grain of rice or a smaller half grain size, depending on which company they used.

However I feel that nanotech could be used but highly doubtful at this time.

KBR workers in Afghanistan had to do all their med vaccines private - good to keep the paranoid mind at rest !

Get a Xray - thatll tell you straight off.

This cuts to the heart of what scares most of us -- an intrusion without consent. I'm glad to live in a country that isn't on the cutting edge. I did get an injection two weeks ago -- tetanus booster. Yah, it was time, and that was ALL that happened.

I would be inclined to explore this further.... as the previous poster said, get an X-ray, find out more. I personally would want to get rid of anything that I TRULY believed -- after investigation -- that tracked me.

They can RFID licenses and badges. Maybe that's how they know who you are? Or the facial recognition software that exist's?

Originally posted by opmed
People know my name 300 feet from me.

RFID chips do not work that way. The distance is too great.

Also, you cannot inject anyone with an RFID chip for a few reasons. You have them surgically installed. They need to know where they are located in order to read them. An RFID chip freely going through your bloodstream will end up killing you. RFID chips are way to big to fit in any needle. There are huge security flaws with human implanted RFID chips.

What your suggesting would not only allow a person to be tracked, information about them be available, and be dead within a week.

Try looking your badge, work clothes, shoes, something else. How can you say people know your name 300 feet away. Do many strangers come up to you from 300 feet away and say they knew your name before they saw you?

Seconded. EE here, RFID doesn't work that way. for a tiny little chip like those you can get put into pets, and by extension, into humans, you won't be able to read them at 3 feet, let alone 300. They're tiny, usually passive RF devices, which use a tiny printed antenna. Something the size of a grain of rice is too small to be effectively detected over distances much greater than near contact.

Also: were you conscious for the vaccination? Did it look like they jabbed you with a needle thicker than a clothes hanger? Like, almost 3/4ths as thick as a pencil? Because otherwise, there's no way they could get one in you with a needle. RFID devices can be made small, but they can't be made *that* small, especially if you want them to hold any real information. Furthermore, a passive RFID chip only holds about 32-128 bits. That's not a whole lot of information. If people know your name from something like that, they've probably got devices that already have all your information on them, and are just using a number given from the RFID to bring up your information. In which case you've got bigger problems.

It's all fantastically unlikely though.

The smaller they are, the harder they are to read at a distance. Passive RFID, such as one might use in a national ID card, or implant in an animal or person, are typically capable of being read only to 5-10 centimeters. If you build a device that is illegally high powered, you could expect to detect the chips as far away as 40-50 centimeters.

Do you want to know how to fry it?

Use an electromagnet. Leave the magnet taped to the area over night, and during the day if possible.

This will cause the metallic circuitry and nano tech to be pulled out of alignment and it will cease to function.

What to know how to remove it?

Use an even stronger electromagnet. Use one strong enough that you can feel the skin between the chip and magnet being pinched.

Where this magnet for a few weeks, and keep the skin covered so that it remains soft and moist. I recommend you use polysporin or other petroleum based antibiotic ointment - just a dab

Do not try to remove it by operation, the magnet will suffice.

The magnet will disrupt any frequency that it is currently modulated to and the data will be corrupt... until the magnet final does it's job and wrecks the circuits... or until it pulls it out ( should you chose this route)

Rest assured you are not the only soldier running around with a magnet stuck to yourself...

this is the first time that a tread on ATS made me feel sick to my stomach.

its not just the 'removing implants with magnets' it is also the implants being put in.

very, very disturbing.

You may have consented unknowingly by signing your name under the fine print. Just a thought. I would do everything I could to recover those documents, so that you can share them with the rest of us.

Originally posted by doctormcauley
Do you want to know how to fry it?

Use an electromagnet. Leave the magnet taped to the area over night, and during the day if possible.

This will cause the metallic circuitry and nano tech to be pulled out of alignment and it will cease to function.

What to know how to remove it?

Use an even stronger electromagnet. Use one strong enough that you can feel the skin between the chip and magnet being pinched.

Where this magnet for a few weeks, and keep the skin covered so that it remains soft and moist. I recommend you use polysporin or other petroleum based antibiotic ointment - just a dab

Do not try to remove it by operation, the magnet will suffice.

The magnet will disrupt any frequency that it is currently modulated to and the data will be corrupt... until the magnet final does it's job and wrecks the circuits... or until it pulls it out ( should you chose this route)

Rest assured you are not the only soldier running around with a magnet stuck to yourself...

Powerful magnets will actull not fry RFID chips, and it's very unlikely that they will do anything to physically remove them from your body. They're simply not made of magnetic metals. Mostly they're made of thin copper, some silicon, and plastic, or ceramic. Metals are, as a group the worst biomaterials, and are only implanted into people when they need the sheer strength. An RFID implant just needs to stay in the body, so they are typically packaged in plastic or ceramic, which have far less chance of being rejected due to allergic or other reactions. Ferromagnetic materials have no place in the actual functional RFID device.

If you want to see how little effect a magnet will have on an RFID chip, try using one on one of the RFID chips at wallmart or target, and then try and shoplift the product right through the RFID readers, and see how far that gets you.


EDIT: Microwaves, such as from a microwave oven, will kill RFID chips, often impressively, slightly pyrotechnically so. But I don't know how you'd go about getting that much microwave radiation into your body, and seriously doubt it'd be safe.

EDIT 2: I guess you could burn out an RFID tag if you moved a powerful enough magnet fast enough past the site to induce a current in the antenna, but simply having a magnet near an RFID tag won't do anything.

EDIT 3: You could wrap the suspected site in aluminum foil; radio doesn't penetrate metal well, so it should make it so nobody could read the chip. You'd look kind of silly though.


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[edit on 6-6-2008 by mdiinican]

Not to mention that these chips are alkaline based aren't they? So trying to remove one counld be a fatal mistake, unless done properly.

Originally posted by 12.21.12
Not to mention that these chips are alkaline based aren't they? So trying to remove one counld be a fatal mistake, unless done properly.

nah, they're small passive electronic devices containing some read only memory and an antenna. Most of the time, they're in sticker form, for tracking inventory and preventing theft. For implantation in animals, they're usually encased in some kind of non bioactive substance, like plastic, ceramic, or maybe glass,

RFID chips can be made VERY small, down to less than half a millimeter to a side (and even smaller, nowadays, but that's out of my department) , but those require near contact to be read, because of their near microscopic antenna. The very small RFID chips are more for embedding in money, credit and gift cards, IDs, etc. I haven't seen one personally, but they're certainly available. They don't tend to be the kind put in living things, though.

It should be perfectly harmless to remove, unless there is some kind of purposely installed tamper-proofing system, which I don't think is very likely at all.

Hell, apparently Kodak developed edible RFID tags, for medical purposes, they track how quickly things pass through your intestinal tract. Now of course, all kinds of things that you can eat just fine would kill you if you were to put them in your bloodstream instead, but RFID chips tend to be made of relatively benign substances, and are rather small. Damaging the covering would allow copper and silicon into your blood, which are slightly toxic, but there shouldn't be *that* much of either in an RFID chip. Not enough to be deadly.

The human body would release antibodys to combat the the implanted chip as it does with any unknown substance that enters the blood stream, thats why vacines are usually so effective.

Originally posted by smokey101
The human body would release antibodys to combat the the implanted chip as it does with any unknown substance that enters the blood stream, thats why vacines are usually so effective.

This is true, but things meant for implantation into flesh are coated with materials that leukocytes can't break down, so typically, after antibody attachment, leukocytes surround the foreign body, and clump together to form giant multi nucleated cells, encapsulating the foreign body. after that, everything continues as normal.

People have artificial medical devices put in them all the time. hip and knee replacements, pacemakers, artificial blood vessels, screws into bone, heart valves, etc. Unlike living substances, the body can't fully reject artificial substances (presumed here to be biomaterials, because you shouldn't go sticking just any old thing into people unless you're actually trying to make them die), except in the instance of allergy. Other things can go wrong, of course, but most people wouldn't be phased at all after having some kind of pet tracking type RFID capsule implanted in them.

Am I the only one not getting paid to post in this thread?

Who do I talk to for that?

EDIT: Microwaves, such as from a microwave oven, will kill RFID chips, often impressively, slightly pyrotechnically so. But I don't know how you'd go about getting that much microwave radiation into your body, and seriously doubt it'd be safe.





how about using three cell phones at once all pointed at the chip.

thats enough microwave power to pop popcorn...
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Theres also a machine that can zap VHS tapes and immediately make them blank, but I don't know if this should be reccomended or not.

Originally posted by 12.21.12
Theres also a machine that can zap VHS tapes and immediately make them blank, but I don't know if this should be reccomended or not.

well VHS tapes are magnetic based, so it could just be an electromagnet. Any magnet will screw up a VHS (or other) tape, or floppy discs. I'd expect any such device would be perfectly safe to use on your body, but I doubt it'd actually achieve anything. RFID tags are based on solid state memory, which isn't magnetic based, and is generally diamagnetic, so a magnet can only really ham them by inducing a current in the antenna.

Perhaps a high power pulsed magnet?

en.wikipedia.org...

Degaussing magnetic data storage media

Data is stored in magnetic media, such as hard drives, floppy disks and magnetic tape, by making very small areas called magnetic domains change their magnetic alignment to be in the direction of an applied magnetic field. This phenomenon occurs in much the same way a compass needle points in the direction of the earth's magnetic field. Degaussing, commonly called erasure, leaves the domains in random patterns with no preference to orientation, thereby rendering previous data unrecoverable. There are some domains whose magnetic alignment is not randomized after degaussing. The information these domains represent is commonly called magnetic remanence since it is due to remanent magnetization. Proper degaussing will ensure there is insufficient magnetic remanence to reconstruct the data.[1]
Erasure via degaussing may be accomplished in two ways: in AC erasure, the media is degaussed by applying an alternating field that is reduced in amplitude over time from an initial high value (i.e., AC powered); in DC erasure, the media is saturated by applying a unidirectional field (i.e., DC powered or by employing a permanent magnet). A degausser is a device that can generate a magnetic field for degaussing magnetic storage media.[2]

I've always wanted to try sticking my ID in one and see what happens the next time it goes through a card reader.

[edit on 8-6-2008 by 12.21.12]

Originally posted by 12.21.12
en.wikipedia.org...

Degaussing magnetic data storage media

Data is stored in magnetic media, such as hard drives, floppy disks and magnetic tape, by making very small areas called magnetic domains change their magnetic alignment to be in the direction of an applied magnetic field. This phenomenon occurs in much the same way a compass needle points in the direction of the earth's magnetic field. Degaussing, commonly called erasure, leaves the domains in random patterns with no preference to orientation, thereby rendering previous data unrecoverable. There are some domains whose magnetic alignment is not randomized after degaussing. The information these domains represent is commonly called magnetic remanence since it is due to remanent magnetization. Proper degaussing will ensure there is insufficient magnetic remanence to reconstruct the data.[1]
Erasure via degaussing may be accomplished in two ways: in AC erasure, the media is degaussed by applying an alternating field that is reduced in amplitude over time from an initial high value (i.e., AC powered); in DC erasure, the media is saturated by applying a unidirectional field (i.e., DC powered or by employing a permanent magnet). A degausser is a device that can generate a magnetic field for degaussing magnetic storage media.[2]

I've always wanted to try sticking my ID in one and see what happens the next time it goes through a card reader.

[edit on 8-6-2008 by 12.21.12]

I think mythbusters tried that, and it didn't do anything, but hey, may as well try for science. Try using a mostly expired gift card or something. One with like 50 cents on it. I mean, what else would you do with it?