The College Conspiracy

Despite the way college has been forced to be seen, is it really the best way to invest in your future. All of the colleges in the United States, together, must make profits at least in the hundreds of millions, if not over a billion dollars. Most students don't like school. Many drop out. Many do not even end up in the fields in which they studied. Have we been socially engineered to believe that college is the only way to secure our futures, so that we can just dish out money to people with no real benefit. In fact, I'd like to ask who of you that have college degrees have, or have not gotten jobs that your course of study is pertinent to.

"U.S. college drop-out rate sparks concern"
Maybe your money is more profitably invested elsewhere, like a bank, or mutual fund. I'm not usually one siding with banks, but I'm quite sure that if somebody invested the tuition money to many universities into a C.D. or mutual fund, they would have more money at the end of the four years they would have been at school.

When it takes 12-14 years to pay off loans for tuition for 4 years of acedemia..I'd say a cd or mutual fund is definatly a better investment.. Also your not having your child indoctrinated by socialist idiots who fail you if you don't agree with them 100%!!!

Zindo

I went to a trade school to be a Certified Medical Assistant (nurse in a doctors office) and I am not currently in that field. I make more money as a recruiter in the culinary field. I am still paying off the student loan from 13 years ago! I told my son who is just starting high school this August that he will have to find his own way through college because I am just not going to pay for it. His father got his BS in biology and three, yes THREE years of med school and dropped out to do an internship in real estate appraising. His loans are not paid off and he didn't even get his degree. Stupid investment for sure!

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In fact, I'd like to ask who of you that have college degrees have, or have not gotten jobs that your course of study is pertinent to.

I have a college degree and I work in my field of study (computer mapping). I think college can be a great idea if one puts an effort into it. I think the point is most people attend college in their late teens and early 20s... so it's not shocking to find many people who end up working in an unrelated area years later. Remember there are two types of investment, money and knowledge.

Originally posted by o22a6ar
Despite the way college has been forced to be seen, is it really the best way to invest in your future. All of the colleges in the United States, together, must make profits at least in the hundreds of millions, if not over a billion dollars.

Try BILLIONS. Harvard's endowment is over $34 billion to be exact.

So with all the outcry over corporate greed, etc., why aren't people up in arms over schools like Harvard charging such high tuitions, pocketing BILLIONS in profits, and paying ZERO taxes???

Where's the outrage over this?

Yale is the same way here in New Haven,Ct. They have so much money that they buy up ALL the prime real estate in the city. They pay "ZERO" taxes and have the city council and mayors office in they're back pocket. The city is going broke and Yale demands all the services they can get. They allow no development or improvements that don't directly benefit the institution.

Zindo

Originally posted by ZindoDoone
When it takes 12-14 years to pay off loans for tuition for 4 years of acedemia..I'd say a cd or mutual fund is definatly a better investment.. Also your not having your child indoctrinated by socialist idiots who fail you if you don't agree with them 100%!!!

Zindo

Well said.

Also of concern are statistics stating that young males are choosing labor jobs rather than attend a 4 year college. In lieu of this 65% of the college student population is female. If this trend continues it may allow women to dominate certain specialties that were once dominated by men. I guess payback really is a $@^&*.

Originally posted by En4cer

Originally posted by ZindoDoone
When it takes 12-14 years to pay off loans for tuition for 4 years of acedemia..I'd say a cd or mutual fund is definatly a better investment.. Also your not having your child indoctrinated by socialist idiots who fail you if you don't agree with them 100%!!!

Zindo

Well said.

Also of concern are statistics stating that young males are choosing labor jobs rather than attend a 4 year college. In lieu of this 65% of the college student population is female. If this trend continues it may allow women to dominate certain specialties that were once dominated by men. I guess payback really is a $@^&*.

My college is the same way, more females than males. I guess back in the day men worked out, hunted to provide, then it was a different kind if labor, now they are back to physical work. Women will surely be the dominant gender, at least in most nations

Originally posted by EternalThought
Women will surely be the dominant gender, at least in most nations

Not if the muslims can help it.

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I don't know if this tread was related to the NIA Documentary with the same title (browse thru the answers, could not find it), but here it is:

www.youtube.com...

Or at the NIA site directly:

inflation.us...

I don't agree 100% with their premise (I do have an Mechanical Engineering degree which served my career very well over the last 35 years, but I'm not living in the USA right now, where the student loan could set you back lot of $$$ providing you have a job, not garantee, so maybe in today environnement, they have a point).

I work at a community college and see first hand the huge number of students who come to school and do not finish...I am talking A LOT!! Talk about wasted money from Pell grants, etc.

I think that college is a joke & that generally speaking the only people that really "NEED" it are doctors & lawyers. Everything else can be learned through experience.

Some Examples of why I think college is a joke:

* My husband will be paying off a TECH SCHOOL degree until our own kids are out of high school
* My sister is in law school, and thankfully she is mega-smart so she won't have much debt, but there are others in her class who are well over $100k in the hole......and some of them want to work in jobs that start at $30k/yr
* Many of my female friends went to college, spent tens of thousands of dollars because "you have to go to college" & now, they're stay-at-home-moms, with no plans of going back to work for 5-10 years. You really think that the information you learned then will be relavent? Do you really think that it was worth it?
* A kid with 0 life experience, having never worked a job in his life got hired in at my Aunt's company (where she has been for 14 years) making almost twice what she makes (doing the same job) what?
* It is so ridiculously expensive that it cannot be justified

My youngest will be starting college next year, but my oldest isn't going to college. One thing that really irritates me about the whole college thing is that when people ask if my oldest is going to college and I say "no", I get a condescending,
"Ohhhhh". People act like college is a status symbol and if you don't go, then you are either too poor or too dumb. I get the " ahh, I see, your kid wants to be a minimum wage earner, and must have no goals in life" kind of vibe.

That really makes me mad.

College doesn't make you creative.

Sorry guys, if your not creating anything, then your wasting your time.

I do not agree. I cherish my college education above almost anything else I possess and I wouldn't trade it for anything. I majored in English and minored in psychology. I am a librarian, so I would say I am definitely in a field related to my degree. But financial gain and career direction was not even the most important thing I gained from college. IT IS NOT ALWAYS ALL ABOUT $$$$$, AND MATERIAL GAIN, PEOPLE. The two most important things college taught me are self-confidence and the ability to reason and think critically. I do not know of any other environment that teaches one to think critically quite like a collegiate environment. Just so that we are all on the same page, here is the best definition around of true critical thinking (and by the way, critical thinking is a universal principle that has been in existence for thousands of years and is not, I repeat, is not, a social or political precept, contrary to what some would try to manipulate you into believing):

www.criticalthinking.org...

Maybe it is the fact that I struggled to get through college, taking 8 years to obtain a 4 year degree, that makes my education so dear to me. I took several semesters off over the 8 year span for personal reasons, but I made it through and graduated with a Bachelor of Arts degree. I'm not saying college is the right thing for everyone, or that everyone even needs it. I am all about personal choice!!!! But the notion that college it is not worth the monetary investment, or should be talked down or discouraged altogether as a choice, is ludicrous! If a person chooses to attend college, choosing the right one to attend is just like any other large purchase or investment -- you need to shop around to find the best one for the money and for your budget, and, most importantly, the best one for your individual needs.

It is reprehensible that certain factions within TPTB have embarked on a sinister underhanded crusade against higher education, but it is no surprise. OF COURSE they want to keep people from becoming educated. OF COURSE they would prefer that the population abandon the skills of reasoning and critical thinking. What better way for TPTB to ensure that they continue to occupy their place of power and control than to keep the population from acquiring the skills to uncover their true purposes and intentions!

Of course TPTB are going to try to convince you that education is bad!! The last thing they want is for you or your children to become their intellectual equals! By dumbing down the population, they can continue to run amok and do as they please, unchallenged! And let's face it folks, going to school isn't always exactly fun and can be a major drag, so those factions within the TPTB who are telling you college is bad already have that obvious psychological advantage over you in convincing you to reject higher education. Be very careful about buying the propaganda you're being sold against college education. You do so at the peril of the future of our country, our society, and in fact, the future of the world.

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Just realized that there was an ATS thread on my links with an ongoing discussion at:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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I would love to attend that college with the "socialist" idiots. Most of my profs were incredibly conservative. One of them was very far right.

For me, college was the best thing I have ever done. It is my only major accomplishment thus far. I struggled to pay for it (16K) out of my disability pension, which I suppose makes it more meaningful for me. I did recieve a couple bursaries in my third year, but they only came to $2000. My degree is broad enough that I am almost guaranteed to work in some field related to it. I think that college is a fantastic investment if you choose the right school and the right major.

I have a degree in Business Administration.....and used it for many years making a lot of money....w/out that degree I probably would never have gotten past receptionist.

I then decided to go back to school because I was changing my career choice to do something I wanted. Majors: Criminal Forensics, Homeland Security with a minor in US Intelligence.

I had to go back to school to learn this stuff. I could not just learn it in a book and expect to get a job....

While I believe much about college is a farce (IE taking classes that have nothing to do with your major and the costs of it)....I still believe it is absolutely necessary if you are wanting a certain career.



ETA...just realized this is an old thread bumped oh well...there is my opinion