Lucia reveals the 3rd secret of Fatima

Originally posted by The angel of light

Hi,
I dont want to hijack this thread, that is completly out of my scope, my observation comes from the fact that there are ways to confirm the information previously to disclose it in a so public way, that it is also important to follow if the intention is actually to inform, avoiding the risk to discredit unnecesarily any institution without solid base.

But that's the point, we do have a solid base, we, as the people of the world, got a letter that we are supposed to hear since many years ago, and that hasn't happened, it was suppressed without giving us real reasons, we have the right to know, if it will be good or bad for us is not for anyone to define, if the church actually believes there is a greater spiritual force as they preach, then how come they disobey this way? if i have no doubt that if i jump from the top of a building i am going to die, i don't do it just because, the same, if they have the certainty that God exists and the letters are real and they know they can't lie, then why they do it? specially when the order came from St Mary?

That is in my opinion xenophobic, creates a so low impression about the ethic of who gives such a acid critic, is also lack of respect to the beliefs of the Catholic readers of ATS , lack of objectivity and anachronic, we are not still living in the time of the protestant-catholic prosecutions and intollerance of the XVI century.

It is because we are on these times of tolerance that we can say what we think, anyone is entitled to say what he thinks, and everyone else should respect and make his mind, we don't need to agree with everything, and is with different opinions only that we can get closer to the truth, please remember that words are very easy to interpret, for instance, this last paragraph can be very easily misunderstood, somebody could see as if you are the one being intolerant because you don't agree with what he said.

Please keep in mind i am not criticizing you, just trying to avoid misunderstandings, the last paragraph could be used against you very easy, i could say you are all those things because you are intolerant to people who don't agree with catholic church, and remember there are also people who belong to other churches and they also are entitled to express their opinion.

Sorry if i sound angry, i am not, is just that i talk like this

Kai

[edit on 4-6-2008 by Kaifan]

reply to post by Kaifan
When i was 16 or so, i went to a church to help with some work there, as i was handling some tools, the priest came angry at me because he didn't wanted me to do that at the time, he insulted me with any word you can imagine, as if i had done something very wrong, i left.

QBSneak000
"I believe nothing the Catholic Church tells ME!! I believe that they have lied and deceived ME."

I do appreciate your opinion and comments and I was not trying to start a "witch hunt".............(interesting choice) Just sharing my opinion with the right to free speech we enjoy. No one has to believe anything I say as gospel. Again everyone has free will to believe what they want.
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The Peace of God to all that belong to the light,
Dear Readers,

I think here it is necessary to clarify the following aspects:
1) As I am informed this is a forum to discuss predictions of known psyquics or prophets, so it is indeed crucial to confirm if this is really a part of the prophecy of Fatima or Not, if that was disclosed by Sor Lucia or Not, otherwise we can spent hours an hours talking about the personal prediction of somebody that is only using the prestige of other to publish its own threads.

That is a question that still remains unanswered by the author of the thread, that must be the part incharged to say on what base he assumed it was authentic, since it looks the purpose of the thread is not to discuss that, but to chk what is the opinion of the public with respect to it, something that is entirely secondary,

How can we give our opinions about something that supposely is famous & accepted as a Mystery since we dont know if it is an original or just another pirate version that comes from elsewhere?

2) We are not here to discuss our personal feelings with respect to this or other religion or moreover with respect to some particular person that was or is still working for certain religious organization,
or
about the scandals of the supposed personal behaviour of other members of that organization in USA,
or
the way in which possibly some smart people are earning easily big amounts of money discrediting an instutition,
that is lack of objectivity, we are here to analize a prophecy and thats all, so please put your personal Religious traumas or Catholicphobia aside.

3) I think my commentary of Witch hunting is not only quite correct to describe what was going on here, is may be the most descriptive way since anyway until now I dont find any reply here of the other members of the forum that does not point in that direction.

This is not Salem, New England in the XVII century, a land & epoch in which the fanatism was the Law, this is America in The XXI century, a country in which there is tolerance of any faith and religion legally stablished.

Come on! this is not the parade of personal prejudges about certain religious institution! must be a mature talk about the validity or quality of a very specific prophecy and any other aspect is irrelevant.....

This is not question of if somebody can express freely or not his personal points of view about religion, Is if those points of view attain the subject or are only fog curtains that does not allow to go ahead in a serious discussion of the topic.

I continue being in expectation with respect to my original Inquiry, and the silence of the author of the thread is so eloquent, and certainly not very convenient to support the validity of this supposed " Fatima Prophecy" .

My impression until now is that this Thread if it was not created to discredit the Mystery occured in 1917 in Portugal and of course to discredit the Catholic Church, unfortunately now has that characteristics, and probably due to not only the vacuity of a solid source but also of the level of the discussion happend, so I challange JOINTHERESISTANCE and the other members that have replied to show me that I am wrong.

HINT:
A good principle to help in that Goal is to focus our interest in just the Facts that we have here, analyze only the provided evidence, and not other personal considerations

Thanks for your atention,
your friend,
The Angel of lightness





[edit on 6/4/2008 by The angel of light]

I don't discredit the Fatima sisters experience...in fact I whole heartedly believe that they did receive a message from Mary. I just think that the truth of those messages has been hidden away from humanity by the CC and that what they decide to disclose to us has been distorted to serve only their purpose.

I believe the saying "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely"

Why were the sisters hidden away from the public and not allowed visitors by the CC? sounds like a prison term. What gave them the right to do that and to decide what is best for the people of the earth? The Vatican, like the governments of the world have too many secrets hidden away that belong to the people of the earth. We deserve the truth.

No, the Fatima sisters experience did happen, they did talk to Mary and get messages.....just not what we have been told to this day in my opinion.

I am curious where the OP got the information from. I believe another poster said that the third and last sister died in 1995. Can this be verified?

Originally posted by Kaifan

Originally posted by JOINTHERESISTANCE

her name is Lucia, she is a cloistered nun and lives in a monastery in Portugal .

Sister Lucy passed away back on February 13:

www.fatima.org...

Please look at this, here a similar message upon the one on this thread may have been based, apparently there are several versions on the web, this one is from 2005:

journals.aol.co.uk...

[edit on 3-6-2008 by Kaifan]

As for this message only, i can say it is not real, because there are older versions on the Web that are not identical in content and form, when the original message was released i don't know, it may go way back in time when the net was not public yet, who knows? i did found several sites that display the letter, all of them with modifications, different dates and facts, so we can be sure this one is not the real message.

Quoted is the url from where i learned about Sister Lucy passing away on February 13, 2005, not sure how official that is, so here some more links:

www.insidethevatican.com...

en.wikipedia.org...

The actual date is on February 13, 2005, i was wrong i thought it was 2008.

The angel of light, i don't want to argue on this, so i will just let go, there are always different points of view on any particular issue and nothing good comes out of just keep arguing just for the sake of it, so i better not. I have my opinions, you have yours, let's all be happy about it

As for the thread, well, the OP hasn't said anything yet right? maybe he lost interest, but, since the letter is obviously faked, i guess we can say this time the truth will remain hidden from us again, QBSneak000 is right when saying we have the right to know the truth, why is being hidden from us? that one is some serious question that i bet will go unanswered for a long time..

Kai

[edit on 4-6-2008 by Kaifan]

Kaifan posted
As for this message only, i can say it is not real, because there are older versions on the Web that are not identical in content and form, when the original message was released i don't know, it may go way back in time when the net was not public yet, who knows?

Hi,

I could swear on a Bible that I had on my own hands and I read with my own eyes an exact version of this same letter on 1999 in one of my trips to SouthAmerica, so this letter would be around ten years old probably.

In the same way I can assure that the letter was discredited by Catholic authorities in that part of the world and that time I couldnt see any copy of it with oficial seal of the Vatican or any church or any signature of Sor Lucia, in fact there was no original handwritten of it but only fotocopies in circulation in many cities of that continent.

Anyway the letter was very well translated to various languages, I knew the version in Spanish previously than in any other language, so the people that is behind it, even if it would not be authentic are members of an international organization.

There is a part of this letter that in my personal opinion was the drop that overload the cup, that looks more suspicious, the one that says that there will be an earthquake for eight hours.

If the way to intepret this is that the seismic motion will be continuous during all that time I think there is no way to be true, it is not realistic from the point of view of the Scientific knowledge we have of sismology. However, the people that believed it was an authentic prophecy said that it was the time along to occur the different subsequent repetitions of earthquakes after the strongest one.

If that would be the case the only possible event of such magnitude should be the big earthquake that the change of the position of the poles is going to produce, something that it is expected to occur in our epoch, affecting the entire planet, but anyway after other regional seismic motions that must occur before, like the California one that I am predicting to happen soon since about a year ago.

As I am one of the psychics with more accuracy in prediction of earthquakes the mention of this earthquake on that letter catched my atention.

if any of the readers of this thread wants to be informed about my forecasts of earthquakes I suggest to chk my threads at:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I dont want to say my last word about this letter but if somebody in someplace in some moment can know what is the trully origin of this letter and if actually it is related with Sor Lucia or not is good that share with us that evidence.

I know that Sor lucia until few years before her death conceded some special interviews to visitants but only with authorization of the Vatican, primarly priests or other members of the clergy or nuns. That could be the only possibility that I can see to acredit its authenticity, but at least the person that had that priviledge of such a visit must show the licence given by the church for that purpose as proof of it.

Let me finish by saying that my intention here was all the time to help to check the authenticity or lack of authencity of this prophecy, so I tried all the time to remain impartial about that.

Thanks for your atention,

the Angel of lightness



[edit on 6/5/2008 by The angel of light]

I am wondering if that is really the third secret of Fatima. It sounds exactly like the so called Three Days of Darkness I heard about years ago.

I heard a few extra details as well. Electricity will supposedly not work. Only one blessed candle per house will light up. It won't light up if a person in the house has committed a grave sin I believe I heard. Outside your house or dwelling, demons from hell will be on the loose cleaning up the Earth. You aren't supposed to look outside or listen to anything from outside. The demons can be just like in the movie Terminator. Supposedly they can impersonate people you know and sound just like them. They could sound like your missing spouse, friend, sibling or parent. Just whatever will draw you outside. Then you can suffer and die if you fall for it. Plus I heard many men will not be willing to stay inside for the whole 3 days. If you're male, there will be a very healthy female to male ratio afterwards. This part reminds me of some other religions lots of virgins in heaven for when they die.

I heard we would get a warning when the 3 days was about to start though. I don't know if that is a cross in the sky or some other supernatural event. I really wonder how much of the story or prediction could be true. Could we actually experience some type of solar or electromagnetic disturbance that disrupts all electricity? Could it involve war and outside the home are deadly poisons that kill on contact? I don't know. If I hear the supernatural warning event, then I'll seek shelter for 3 days but not before. I heard some people might actually sleep away for the 3 whole days. I was thinking if I'm really sleeply and the power is off and I get put into a supernatural sleep. Then if we have no power afterwards, I might have wished I woke up and went outside. A world without power would be terrible. No computer games, no internet, no air conditioning, no refrigerators. I guess the only thing I would have left to do is to help out all those young pretty female survivors. hmm, I wonder if this is like every guy gets 100 virgins but he doesn't even have to die story.

Ok I have to ask, what the heck is a blessed candle or is it just that. A candle that has been blessed. Do you have to go to a priest or can you buy them at the local church?

Most people, even the good ones may not have access to that and if they don't have one they are doomed? that doesn't seem right.

[edit on 5-6-2008 by QBSneak000]

[edit on 5-6-2008 by QBSneak000]

I meant a candle that is blessed. I actually have a whole box of them. Someone gave them to me. If everything I said is true, not having a candle isn't the end of the world, it would just mean you wouldn't have any light for 3 days. Pitch darkness for 3 days might drive some people crazy though. I haven't tried it. I wouldn't be surprised if priests are willing to bless candles from time to time.

I'm really wondering if I'm going to ever see the so called Three Days of Darkness. I was more concerned when I heard my mother say she was keeping track of how old the anti-christ was by how old I am. She told me the anti-christ was born the same year. Isn't it nice to have a parent to make you think of all kinds of strange things? I still can not find anything on the internet about that. However I did find the church of Satan was founded that year. So maybe she could be right. Personally I don't know why anyone worships Satan. I heard he is going down. My sense of humour.

For those who don't get it, going down (getting taken out) versus going down to the pit from which he comes. Many people don't even believe he exists nowadays and don't believe demons, angels or anything supernatural exists. I accidently put someone like that in supercrisis mode back in my college days without trying.

"Satan's greatest trick was convincing the world he didn't exist"

I remember hearing that somewhere......sounds about right. As for 3 days of darkness...that could be from a few things I can think of mostly from say volcanic ash in the atmosphere choking out the suns light.

So only blessed candles with light? not regular store bought ones? How is this possible? nor will lighters or matches work? if thats the case how in the heck would you light the blessed ones?

[edit on 5-6-2008 by QBSneak000]

posted by orionthehunter
I meant a candle that is blessed. I actually have a whole box of them. Someone gave them to me. If everything I said is true, not having a candle isn't the end of the world, it would just mean you wouldn't have any light for 3 days. Pitch darkness for 3 days might drive some people crazy though. I haven't tried it. I wouldn't be surprised if priests are willing to bless candles from time to time.

Hi,
Thanks to mention the very important aspect of the candles mentioned in that prophecy, I missed to explain that so important detail in connection with the investigation arround this supposed letter of Sor Lucia in 1999.

It was precisely because the great concurrence of people in Peru to the churches requesting the blessing of the candles to the priests that the Bishop of El Callao and the Archbishop of Lima decided to send a message through a Tv program saying to the public that this letter was not supported by the Catholic Church.

Also this detail was the one that created the suspicion, to the official comission of the Catholic Church incharged to investigate the authenticity of this letter, that the trully origin of this prophecy was in the merchants & manufacturers of canddles that wanted to increase their sales using the fear of the People about the arrival of the new Millenium.

Somebody also compared at that epoch the letter with the incredible stories of the magical realism that Gabriel Garcia-Marquez wrote in Hundred Years of Solitude, to say that it was a typical news than only can occur in Macondo. ( The mythical land in southAmerica in which supposely happend the famous Novel)

Unfortunately I didn't know what was the final result of the investigation, if they found the reponsibles of this, probably everything ended at that point. I lost the trace of that event and never returned to know about this business until the last week that I watched this thread, almost ten years later.

I am wondering if the sales of candles are now so low that probably somebody is needed to revive the letter.

Your friend,

The Angel of lightness




[edit on 6/6/2008 by The angel of light]

I checked out Wikipedia on these prophecies. It seems the second included a way to avoid WWII but the Catholic church did not act upon it until WWII was in progress.

If the church believed these prophecies then they are are working for the other side. The alternative is that they do not believe them and are liars.

If the church believed these prophecies then they are are working for the other side. The alternative is that they do not believe them and are liars.

Hi,

Well the Catholic church is an institution that is managed by men, so is subject to all the weakness of the human conditon, even of the possibility that their leaders would act wrongly in certain occasions, that is the reason for which it is so important when the Pope convoque to Pray for the comunion with saint spirit, since it is needed to distinguish the truth.

About Fatima there were initially a lot of mistakes, a lot of skepticism but moreover a lot of fear for the consequences if the Church accepted these prophecies as authentic since the goverment of Portugal at that time was secular and openly antireligious. It was only when the time passed and the facts were showing that it was indeed a revelation that the official attitude changed.

About the Second WWII I cannot say to much but it was thanks the possitive attitude of John Paul II when he decided to consagrate Russia to the Holy Heart of St Mary, following the instructions of Fatima, that it was fullfilled the promise given by the Virgin in 1917 to produce the fall of the Atheist Comunist dictarship and the return of that so important Nation to the Christianity, in many aspects that prevented the possibility of a WWIII on the XX century.

if you would like to know more about this topic pls chk my thread about it at:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

We must understand that also the Catholic Church as a so big and international organization has different factions, it is in some sense divided between liberal and conservatory sectors. During the time of Paul VI it was even a rebelion against the changes introduced by the Vatican II conceil in the liturgy leaded by Mons. Lefevre in France.

Also for long time the are rumors of internal divisions and other plots like the one that supposely ended the life of Johh Paul I, only 33 days after his election as a result of a supposed conspiracy by cardinals involved in the Ambrosian bank scandal when he decided to order and investigation of the finances of the Vatican.

Other famous possible plot is the one that refers to the the Conclave of 1958, previously to the election of Johh XXIII. It looks that initially there was another Pope elected, the so conservatory Cardinal Siri of Genoa, but he decided to dont accept his election as a reaction toward the unconfort of hte more liberal sectors of the Church, that thought if he became Pope there would be a terrible prosecution of the Church in the Comunism world.

However the story says that The cardinal Giusseppe Siri rejected the election only after he was officialy proclamed Pope, even after he chose the official name of Gregory XVII. The story would not be so important if there were no sectors of the church that laterly tried to reconsider this election due to the impact produced by the changes promoted by John XXIII. There are even attempts to show that his election was not legal and since Siri was the real Pope, if that would be true the election of other three Popes can be invalidated because the Cardinal of Genoa died only in 1989.

you can find more about this story, that for many is only a legend, known and the Siri Thesis, at
en.wikipedia.org...
or
www.thepopeinred.com...
or
www.insidethevatican.com...

Of course the official version of the Church is that on 1958 there was a misunderstanding due to the color fo the smog expeled to anounced the result of one votation of the Conclave and that all this is mere speculation created by the media.


thanks for your atention,

the Angel of lightness.



[edit on 6/6/2008 by The angel of light]

I would like to ask just a few things:

- Why the different names when becoming pope?, do you know? i don't mean tradition or nothing like that, i mean the real thing, please if you know let us know too. do you?

- You talk about politics inside the catholic church, but that just seems and proves that the church has really taken other path than the true religion our ancient ones had, isn't it?

- I understand that religion is one thing and personal beliefs are something else altogether, but, i feel you get into a defense position when people say bad things about the catholic church, would it be the same if i talked wrong about some other church, say, jehova witnesses? or some other? i guess if you are really on the light, you must answer truly or else you will try to damage my credibility with words that tend to guide others to think your opinion is right and mine is wrong, hope not, i hope for your truly honest answer, nothing else.

Well, i'll be waiting, i want to know.

Edit to add this quote:

Of course the official version of the Church is that on 1958 there was a misunderstanding due to the color fo the smog expeled to anounced the result of one votation of the Conclave and that all this is mere speculation created by the media.

Men, i just wish that people would stop being so ridiculous, smog and colors and votations, ha ha, come on, this is completely a human choice and no supreme being was involved in this choice, this is the truth, i have no doubt devine beings exist, i doubt they are involved in all this politics thing.

Or i am mistaken? please explain otherwise.

Kai
Kai

[edit on 8-6-2008 by Kaifan]

[edit on 8-6-2008 by Kaifan]

The Peace of God to all the belong to the light,
Dear Readers,

Well let me respond you by parts:

1) About the names of the Popes: Along the first centuries of the Christianity, men elected bishop of Rome continued to use their baptismal names after their elections. ( Although is good to clarify that St Peter was a name given by JesusChrist to a Galilean man originally named Shimon, the first Pope)

The custom of choosing a new name started in AD 533 and since the election of Mercurius, a native Roman from a converted family. Mercurius had been named after the Roman god Mercury, and he thought that it would not be convenient for a Pope to be kown after a Pagan god. So Mercurius consequently ordered that he would be known as John II.

if you or any other reader wants to know more about this pls chk:

en.wikipedia.org...

2) The Latin Church ( known also as Catholic) , among the Orthodox, Armenians and Coptics ones represent the oldest part of the Christianity, they are the legitimate successors of the 2000 years of tradition that started with Jesus Christ and his 12 disciples. St Peter, the first Bishop of Rome was also ordered by Jesus as the Head of the first Christian Church.

If you want to know more about my points of view with respect to the so important role of the Catholic Church in modern times pls refer to my thread at:
www.belowtopsecret.com...

If you want to know more about my message with respect to ecumenism and Religions pls refer to :

www.belowtopsecret.com...

Let me finish saying that I respect all the religions, since my mission is to unite all the people that belongs to the light. However, let me clarify that some of the names of denominations that you gave in your last reply correspond actually to sects and not properly to churches.

thanks for your atention,

The Angel of lightness


[edit on 6/9/2008 by The angel of light]

I have read much about Fatima. The predictions in the 3rd Secret have to do with the Pope and dissobidience to The Holy Father. Pope John Paul II was obviously the Pope in the Third Secret. As far as sensationalism regarding it to curiosity seekers, it is onbious that The Blessed Mother would not speak in the manner that many of your responders have stated. Fatima written by William Walsh in 1947,is probably the best book on the subject. The most outstanding part of the story is Juanita's vision of the Pope she did not know which Pope it was, but from her description of the crowds praying with "The Holy Father" pertained to the Pope's of the 20 Century most notibly John Paul II becuase he prayed in the manner she describes, and the huge crowds praying with him in the streets of Rome are significant to his Pontificate when close to 5 Million people came to Rome when he died. The long streets were filled this initself points to JP2. The Pope That prays for us all is also significant Pope JP2 considered all people his responsibility. Unity Publishing has excellent information regarding the 3rd secret. Sister Lucy stated that he who is not with the Pope is not with God.

You may read the authentic 3rd part of the fatima message at the official website of the Vatican.www.vatican.va. The 3rd part is actually very symbolic and does not say specific events nor specific dates. The Church interpreted it in a symbolic way too. The interpretation is also in that website.

The email you receive seemed very familiar. I once received a chain letter containing a lot of the things that were written in your email.
I was still around fourteen or fifteen yrs. old at the time. I'm now almost 34 years old. The 3rd part of the message was made known to the public I think around the year 2000.

However, it is my hope that people all over the world will change their ways and decide to follow Christ once more. This is the only way we can attain peace and happiness, and the only way we can give back to God what He has given us.

The three days of darkness

Many saints have spoken of this prophesy, St. Pio (Padre Pio wrote about a revelation he had.

From a translation of a copy of a personal letter written by padre Pio addressed to the commission of Herolds bach appointed by the Vatican which testifies to the truth and reality of these revelations given by Our Lord Jesus Christ to Padre Pio, a Capuchin priest who bore the stigmata.

January 28, 1950

Keep your windows well covered. Do look out. Light a blessed candle, which will suffice for many days. Pray the rosary, read spiritual books. Make acts of spiritual communion, also acts of love, which are so pleasing to us. Pray with arms stretched out or prostrate on the ground in order that many souls may be saved. Do not go outside the house. Provide yourself with sufficiant food. The powers of nature shall be moved and a rain of fire shall make people tremble with fear. Have courage I am in the midst of you.

Originally posted by Incarnated
THIRD SECRET OF FATIMA is false.

The Third Secret is still locked up and will remain that way until much to late in the game.

I agree. The actual last secret is about the breakdown and collapse of the Catholic church. Why would there be any need to hide the posted information. It's completely focused on preserving the belief in the Catholic church. That's nothing new or worth keeping a secret. The Apocalypse is already a known prophecy.

Originally posted by Matrix1111

Originally posted by Incarnated
THIRD SECRET OF FATIMA is false.

The Third Secret is still locked up and will remain that way until much to late in the game.

I agree. The actual last secret is about the breakdown and collapse of the Catholic church. Why would there be any need to hide the posted information. It's completely focused on preserving the belief in the Catholic church. That's nothing new or worth keeping a secret. The Apocalypse is already a known prophecy.

Apparently this part of the secret was kept a secret for the fear of chaos in society. But who knows

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It came from the vatican and it is all true...so get your candles ready and be prepared. also get plenty of bottled water and lots of blankets because it will be cold.