The World Should Be Turned Into a Giant Police State

reply to post by abelievingskeptic


Right well lets not jump to conclusion if you read his other thread regarding Questions to an Occultist i think you would realize hes a pretty smart 17yo if that was the case.

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I am 24, and I don't have a tattoo, sorry..

I am an occultist yes, and have been for many years...

I don't quite grasp what bluff you are talking about >? I am simply speaking my mind of what i deem to be the truth and future for mankind!

Originally posted by ianr5741
I agree the world is in trouble, but the problem isn't in the ability of the people to do what's right. They would do the right thing to make a good future, except certain things have been taken from them. One of the most important of which is information.

The reason we make such poor decisions today is because somebody wants it that way. They don't want us to have the information, and what information they do want us to have is only that which serves the purpose of inspiring hate and division. Divide & conquer is the oldest tactic in the book...

We are manipulated into shortages of materials, land, food, water, money, education, healthcare, information, and friends.

None of this has to be. Humanity is suffering because the system we allow to continue is killing us. We must change that system, because it is not meeting human needs. Clearly, a world where enough food is produced to feed 27 billion people, yet 20,000 people starve to death every day has a fundamental problem in how it works.

Solutions are not centralization and control of decision making. When you eliminate input and creativity from larger and larger numbers of people, you don't create a smarter government, you create a more easily manipulated population.

Collectively, humanity has the means to create for itself fantastic wonders to solve humanity's problems. Avenues of communication are vitally important, but just as important is the authority of the people to do for themselves what is needed without interference or control. Today, we still have not matured to the idea that the people can and should decide for themselves. Instead, we are restricted by the state before we do anything. We need a license to drive, a license to marry, a license to run a business, a building permit, a tax permit, hell... we even need a license to fish.

If the minds of this world can communicate their ideas, and then discuss and revise plans collectively with all of humanity, the political results achieved would be far more efficient and effective than the actions of any president, political ideology, or bureaucracy. There is work to be done, but we shouldn't trust that work to supposed heroes. We can only save ourselves.

Right now we don't know we are being manipulated to self destruct. Once we realize just how much of human suffering has been caused by the will of a relatively small number of evil people, maybe humanity will finally learn the hard lesson that we are all in this boat together. The problems we are facing today are going to require everyone's cooperation to fix. The ship is sinking and if we all don't work together to fix it, we shall continue hating and fighting each other all the way to the bottom of the sea...

we need help imo.

there are people that can if we want them to....

www.geocities.com...

www.petitiononline.com...



www.youtube.com...

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I think the only real way to go if we are indeed looking for a NWO is something called Geniocracy.

The Raelians are pushing for this as their New World Order. more >>

I know it is hard for many of you to understand...

You are all in high spirits, ready to fight and lay down your lives for freedom
All talk and this and that...

But what are you going to do when the men with the big guns come knocking at your door ? you gonna go out Rambo style in a hail of bullets ? I don't think so...

Better to serve the NWO than to be sent to a detention camp thanks very much!

And no, once the NWO is in power, there will be no more crime and violence...

The crime and violence, wars, all that will get worse "before" the NWO steps in, it will be so bad that the world will beg on their knees for someone to step in and do something about it...

Then they will...

And there will be a 1000 years of peace on earth...

Originally posted by The Soldier Of Darkness
This is my own personal view.

I believe we humans have gotten to a state of mind where we are completely out of control, and i believe we should be controlled.

There is too much information, too much freedom, too much violence, terror and abuse in this world.

I for one welcome the NWO, and i can just hope they do the job properly, the world will be a better place for it.
[edit on 27-5-2008 by The Soldier Of Darkness]

Soldier,

Since we humans are NOT in control of this world and have been controlled since day one, your arguement is not entirely flawed. However, to avoid getting into further detail about who exactly are our controllers unless you would like a PM and then I would send you to the proper thread, I will talk about a few of your points.

First, we humans...some of us anyway, are "out of control" because of the free will that we are allowed to have on this planet. There are millions of good, hard-working people in this world who deserve their "rights" and do not need to be followed around by NWO cronies and their SS henchmen to "keep the peace" or whatever they would be doing. The control of the criminal element in this world would probably be a better approach and the only way to do that is to allow the good people to protect themselves and be provided with honest and positive information about the criminals they're protecting themselves and their kin against.

Second, information and freedom go hand in hand!! Secrecy of information and the absense of freedom are what keep people on edge and angry because they are not allowed to come and go as they wish and do what they please. Again, we can look back at the history of the Nazi regime. The people were controlled by fear and the threat of force if they did not obey or tow the party line in order to appease their leaders. Take the case of the North Koreans...If the people their were not fed constant propaganda about their leaders and knew how the rest of the world worked, maybe they would not put up with the oppression and control of their rights and livelyhood.

"Too much violence"....Violence comes from those persons abusing their free will to benefit their sick ambitions and, of course, those people will be punished in this life or the next. Also, violence stems from constant oppression and controlling factors. Take for example the occupation that we are carrying out in Iraq right now. The violence being thrown at our troops since we invaded comes from groups of Iraqis that refuse to give their country to foreign invaders, plain and simple. Would we not dish out our own forms of violence against any other invader of the United States?? To say that we wouldn't is both naive and hypocritical.

To say that the human race should be controlled constantly with Gestapo-like tactics would only create more hatred for the controllers!! And of course, as history shows us, the controllers don't have to put up with the laws they set upon their people since they are in charge and above the law. Time will only tell whether this NWO thing actually happens.


Purduegrad05

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right. I didnt actually see the other thread whenI wrote that. thats why I said " I could be totally wrong about who I think he is" and also aologized....k?..good


edit for typos

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If you consider control an axiom.Who in your opinion would be the least humanly flawed,person to place in controll?

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Well we will have to come up with a solution to stop people feeling intense emotions, im sure something exists that can be used...

Every person is required a daily dose of this "emotion control" drug..

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Could you elaborate on that a bit more please ?

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There will be many who refuse to be a slave like you, there will be many who will go down in a hail of bullets. there is some who still have heart left and will bow down to no man.

Just because you are willing to lay down your life does not mean others will.

No crime and violence, 1000 years of peace, come on lad wake up.

“Better to starve free than be a fat slave”

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But what are you going to do when the men with the big guns come knocking at your door ? you gonna go out Rambo style in a hail of bullets ?

Yes.

TheRedneck

Why do you people always have to see the bad in everything, you are all so negative you know...

C'mon and be positive for once and see the good side in this whole deal!!!

"The World Should Be Turned Into a Giant Police State"

I wouldn't be so much against certain aspects of the "New World Order" if I could be totally sure that the majority of those in a position of power to implement it weren't maniacal in all the wrong ways. But after everything they've done over the many years I don't think I could ever trust them -- I mean, it would probably take about a thousand years for them to prove themselves sufficiently, by which point they will have probably manipulated or maimed the history books again so everyone believes they're "good."

"There is an ancient Indian saying; that something lives only as long as the last person who remembers it. My people have come to trust memory over history. Memory, like fire, is radiant and immutable, while history serves only those who seek to control it -- those who would douse the flame of memory -- in order to put out the dangerous fire of truth. Beware these men, for they are dangerous themselves, and unwise. Their false history is written in the blood of those who might remember, and of those who seek the truth."

-- Albert Hosteen ("LOL")

To any truly benevolent organisation out there, if you even exist; you have to do something, if you aren't already. You have to do something fast.

reply to post by The Soldier Of Darkness


There is no good in taking away people liberty.

It's a good idea in theory, however deception and riches shouldn't determine who leads and who follows. The "good" people aren't interested in ruling something like that, only the decadent, evil and greedy people want that role.

And there lies the problem, they say it's for the good of the world, but really it's nothing more than a scheme for them and their buddies to gain more power. Anyone who believes different is simply naive.

Originally posted by The Soldier Of Darkness
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Well we will have to come up with a solution to stop people feeling intense emotions, im sure something exists that can be used...
Every person is required a daily dose of this "emotion control" drug..

Are you suggesting an "Equilibrium" style state of society?? If you've ever seen the movie then you will understand the reference I'm making here. You will also understand and remember that those finatics in the movie who did not wish to be emotionally controlled kept on fighting so that they might one day live in an oppression-free world!! AND OF COURSE, with this rebellion by those who were against the oppression of their emotions, came VIOLENCE....the very thing you think will go away once we are completely controlled which is not likely. And when I say violence, I mean killing and destruction on both sides of the spectrum; the rebels and the CONTROLERS!!
As you can see, there will be no end to this type of violence so long as freedom loving people are oppressed, it's just that simple!! Also, this "emotion drug" that you speak of will not be put into my body, EVER!!

Curious....but who among the population makes the decision as to who is and is not "required" this emotion drug?? People like you?? If you think like this then, again, you're thinking here is flawed as you are NO BETTER than me or anyone else in this Universe!! These decision makers, once again, can be compared to people like Heindrich Himmler and Herman Goering...people that I will never take seriously!!

Purduegrad05

Originally posted by The Soldier Of Darkness
reply to post by abelievingskeptic

 

I am 24, and I don't have a tattoo, sorry..

I am an occultist yes, and have been for many years...

I don't quite grasp what bluff you are talking about >? I am simply speaking my mind of what i deem to be the truth and future for mankind!

you may be 24 but your mentaity is one of a 17 year old kid in this thread. Sorry, but for you to say some of the things you are saying in this thread it is quite obvious.
And I don't take offence or am worried about what you may "deem" to be true. If there is such a thing as the NWO it will not fly so easiy as you are predicting. That is assured. Maybe the "dark forces" will prevail or whatever it is you are incinuating, but they will have to bring a lunch. It won't happen with everyone just lying down and taking it.

And if you choose to just ly down and take it thats fine. If that is how you choose, then so be it, but do not expect to come here and try to spread fear without it being rebuffed.

I don't know what bluff you are saying I am calling? other than it seems like you are just looking for attention.

reply to post by abelievingskeptic



That is your opinion, and i respect that...

But why are you saying I am coming on here and spreading fear ?

All i am doing is posting a thread of what i believe to be true, under political ideology, and we are debating it..

there is no fear mongering here

I agree with the overall idea, just not the details.

Noone should be terminated, you can find a use for anybody.

A hive mindset, absolutely no secrets. If you feel the need to have secrets, you've done wrong and its your own problem. Otherwise its just
a problem with your self conscious or ego.

Reciprocal punishment. You murder, youre killed, you steal, you lose all your possessions, you rape, youre tortured. Eye for an eye.

Complete open one world government, everyone has access to all information. In a one world state, theres no national security because theres no country to country warfare.

The brightest and healthiest should rule, no questions asked. Standardized tests for IQ and physical and mental health tests for everyone. The best sit on a board of directors who rule. Democracy is silly. Why elect a leader who may be less intelligent than the voters? Corruption can't happen in a highly technical transparent government, every minute of every day everybody is monitored.

You think youve lost your freedom? Freedom is a sham, theres only 2 things your free to do in any society. You are free to struggle in a society, or not to struggle. But always within a society, always in a box. We are already oppressed by nature as default, people don't like to admit it though.