Sites like ATS are monitored by an analyst and assigned a threat level

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[edit on 26/5/2008 by Mirthful Me]

Originally posted by marg6043
You have been long enough in this boards to understand this issues, and if you like your mood said are under some kind of impairment, "drugged" is not going to make you look very nice at all.

That's got nothing to do with it at all, woman. Who are you to look down on people who may or may not be drugged, for whatever reason?

Growl.

That's enough...

It's time to get back on topic in this thread. Period.

Any further diversions will result in my own form of analysis... And I think we all know what that means.

Thanks.

Just saw this thread...issues aside and on topic...

*Ahem*

Ladies and Gentlemen...Who watches the Watchers?

I do.

Rest assured, I have successfully infiltrated the ranks of ATS hierarchy and have kept a close eye on them...they really are just interested in creating an outlet for the discussion of alternative topics...I KNOW>>>I WAS FLOORED AS WELL WHEN I FOUND THAT TO BE TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am, however, mildly surprised that professional agencies have employed the same strategies that I have in the infiltration of such a site...

Now I know where all of my tax dollars are going.

For someone to read my ATS posts, lol.

reply to post by jhill76


And you know this how? I don't see any evidence of that in your post although its likely because some on here can be very radical in their statements.

reply to post by Sky watcher


From working at one of the buildings where this takes place. Also, from friends in the intelligence community.

I have no doubt that ATS just like any other site that has a very outspoken crowd of what could be considered political dissenters will be monitored by our very increased fascist government.

The paranoia surrounding the Bush administration and its constant monitory of American citizens can not be denied.

Why would it be that difficult for some of you to believe that there are people that work to monitor websites? I mean c'mon.

Business does it:

smh.com.au
Shobhana Srinivasan product manager, said 150 US companies now use BuzzMetrics to monitor what bloggers say about their brands, their competition and their category. "They are very much attuned to it [as an area]," she said.

"They want to know what does it mean? Is it good buzz or bad buzz and how does 10,000 conversations compare to what they are saying about my competition?"

Few, if any companies, admit to paying to eavesdrop. Y&R Brands would say only that "most of its major clients" have signed up for its service, which trawls the internet on behalf of clients looking for negative or positive keywords and how chatter about brands spreads from one blog to others. The information is displayed in a three-dimensional map that shows the websites that are most influential as larger, with others linking to it.

Ms Srinivasan said that clients are using the tool to track the effect of advertising, but also to neutralise the big-name bloggers.

She cited the example of a large cruise ship client that was launching a new liner. It identified the most influential bloggers and then invited them on the maiden voyage, knowing they would spread the word as soon as they hit

Is it that much of a leap of logic that the government pays people to analyze threats and public opinion?

Anybody that saw this as another "ATS disinfo" thread needs to re-read it. The OP never stated that they were posting here.

I think the proof that this occurs is the fact that everything the OP said is completely logical.

reply to post by PistolPete


Exactly. I just think people just read into the headline and never actually read the entire post. I urge everyone to read the entire post then come to a conclusion about the subject at hand.

Wow. A lot of naive people on ATS or maybe they just pretending to be.

Everything is being monitered and I am saying this as fact! Its not even a secret.

From wikipedia.

ECHELON is a name used in global media and in popular culture to describe a signals intelligence collection and analysis network operated on behalf of the five signatory states to the UKUSA agreement; Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the United States, known as AUSCANZUKUS.[1]

The system has been reported in a number of public sources.[2] Its capabilities and political implications were investigated by a committee of the European Parliament during 2000 and 2001 with a report published in 2001.[3]

In its report, the European Parliament states that the term ECHELON is used in a number of contexts, but that the evidence presented indicates that it was the name for a signals intelligence collection system. The report concludes that, on the basis of evidence presented, ECHELON was capable of interception and content inspection of telephone calls, fax, e-mail and other data traffic globally through the interception of communication bearers including satellite transmission, public switched telephone networks and microwave links. The committee further concluded that "the technical capabilities of the system are probably not nearly as extensive as some sections of the media had assumed".[3]

That is just the tip of the iceberg. Even the owners of ATS themselves have admitted that they get regular visits from every major intelligence agency, foreign or domestic.

Why would they not visit a site that discusses classified material either knowningly or not? They can't keep every mouth shut so the best thing to do is go online and debunk. The proof is all around. Just about every interesting thread gets derailed by "naysayers".

However, that doesn't imply we should be paranoid about what we post. Most of the people, including myself, are casual observers/participants and thus marginally threatning. Even second or third hand knowledge does not amount to much unless you have actual proof of your claims and willing to tell everyone.

Regarding the monitoring of ATS...It would be STUPID for Homeland Security,
DIA, NSA or CIA and other domestic & foreign 3 and 4 letter agencies NOT to.

It doesn't matter that if what's on this forum is BS or not....
or if it's mostly overblown...it's the Patterns of Traffic and Opinion
that COUNT not what is actually said.

Inter-related with monitoring of forums like ATS, Rense.com, CoastToCoastAM, etc.
is the Echelon System which is TASKED by the NSA (National Security Agency)
to Specifically monitor unencrypted (or weakly encrypted) international
communications including phone calls, faxes, emails, file transfers
or anything that can be interpreted and determined have certain related
keywords within a defined set of parameters call "Dictionaries".

Canada, USA, New Zealand, Australia and the United Kingdom have all agreed
to use both automated methods and live-personnel to intercept, monitor and
interpret KNOWN and TARGETED personal, business, embassy and government
communications that are indexed, correlated and then compiled
into REQUESTS that are forwarded to the requesting agencies
SigInt (Signals Intelligence) operations.

All partner countries in Echelon (since the 1960's and 1970's)
monitor ALL targeted communications within their relevant geographic area
but any data that fulfills the "Dictionary" requirements of another partner
is forwarded without analysis to the requesting partner.

These Dictionaries contain varied terms such as "Nuclear Bomb",
"Radiological Device", "Covert Operation" or any other relevant or desired term
and any NEARBY text or voice data will be Voice/Text Recognized and targeted
for further interception and "Data Traffic Analysis".

For example, if all of a sudden, 400 messages are being sent from
Los Alamos Labs to The Sciences Department in a Beijing University,
then THAT traffic pattern is a RELEVANT interception target.
It's NOT the content of the emails that are important but rather
the data traffic pattern that is a powerful indicator that something
is up and should be looked into.

And using very powerful, grid-based datamining software from Oracle
and Computer Associates, various text terms, traffic patterns
and non-local facts can be inter-related and correlated to form
time-based patterns of traffic or patterns of actions that
are then graphed as animations on large screens down in
"The Dungeon" at Ft. Meade.

For Example:

If a Stinger-type missile purchase was made in Syria from Iran
on Feb 22 and then a known arms dealer sent 3 pallets of "Smalls Arms"
to Amsterdam on Feb 23 and then 200 email messages were "Chattered"
between New York and a London Mosque during the week of Feb 24 to 28
then those "correlated" facts can be graphed and further targeted
for covert action or sent to Interpol or other relevant agencies
for further action.

The NSA people are expert at DATAMINING where you use the signals
gathering power of the Echelon system to gather all sorts of communciations
that are then FILTERED by "Dictionaires" and then each partners' requests
are "Pattern Searched" by automated Data Digger programs (i.e. Neural Nets,
Boolean Logic Trees, Wildcard Text Searches and even Date/Time loggers)
to see if there are consistent patterns in dates, times, locations, people
or places that when grouped together form a possible "Target of Opportunity"
for further analysis by SigInt agents, political analysts, translators,
or other personnel that could further glean nuggets of information gold
from the vast sea of daily personal, business and government international
communications.

CONTINUED FORM ABOVE:

And on a technical basis, the NSA was ORIGINALLY designated for the analysis
of INTERNAL threats to national security while the CIA was tasked with operating
foreign offices to gather EXTERNAL intelligence.

The addition of the Department of Homeland Security has muddied the waters
and now the NSA, CIA, DIA (Defence Intelligence Agency), Office of Naval Intelligence,
and many others of the 40-odd AMERICAN agencies tasks with domestic and foreign
intelligence gathering & analysis are ALL trying to combine their forces
and form an INTEGRATED intelligence apparatus than can SHARE data and then
ACT upon that within a timely manner.

The events of 9/11 showed up the fragmented nature of America's intelligence
operations when the FBI, the CIA and NSA all had relevant individual bits of
information that a massive attack was about to take place...BUT...no one SHARED
AND ACTED upon the small information nuggets so that a large picture could have
been determined, analysed and then acted on. The DHS was SUPPOSED to solve this
problem by serving as a central clearinghouse of intelligence

...BUT...

The process of integration is STILL ongoing and will likely NEVER be fulfilled
because of TURF WARS until ALL agencies are COMBINED into a SINGLE ENTITY
using a SHARED information/dictionary database and standardised set of
"Inference Engines" that can build correlated datasets into useful and edible
bowls of information cereal that is then forwarded to a stream of cross-trained
political analysts, technology experts, translators, photo ops personnel,
and other SigInt people whose INDIVIDUAL opinions and analysis is then FURTHER
correlated by down-the-line automated systems to rate and then graph multiple
intelligence nuggets into real-time updated "Threat Matrices" which can be
forwarded to domestic or Foreign "Threat Reduction & Elimination Action Teams"
for the in-field and door-smashing work!

So while many on ATS could perceive "Them" and "They" as a threat to their
free speech, it is mostly a bunch of "Desk Noids" and automated "Black Widow"
downloading programs that will be looking for a few keywords or a consistent
pattern of subject matter or people before they send it down-the-line to
the covert action "Black Beret" teams who will simply be non-descriptly walking
on by as you do your morning jog and then "They" will be the ones calling 911
as you collapse and expire from that "Sudden Heart Attack".

No one will EVER know the REAL reason why you died once the life insurance
company calls your wife to say there is a "Problem" with your policy
and it can't be paid out until they have their "Agents" look around your office
to see if he really WAS a non-smoker and then have the wife sign her legal rights
away in excahnge for some payout money....;-)

OK BRING ON SOME MORE OF THAT CONSPIRACY THEORY BABY !!!!!!!!

BY the way....I am a sleeper agent/Manchurian candidate of the Bavarian Illuminati,
the NSA/DIA/CIA/FBI/ONI/CSIS/FBI/BATF/RCMP/GRU/FSB/KGB/FIS/MI5/MI6/NHL/NFL/MLB/Bilderberger/
CFR/Trilateral Commission/Rockefeller/NWO/Saurian/Nephelim/Annunaki/Cephalapods/OSI/
Rothschilds/18th Street Gang/Los Lobos/KISS/NWA/TUPAC/Trailer Park Boys/X-Files/
Stargate SG1/BSG/Free Masons and finally the UR2L8 division of the
Cult of The Dead Rubber Chickens....UR P2wnd !!!!!!!

Originally posted by StargateSG7
BY the way....I am a sleeper agent/Manchurian candidate of the Bavarian Illuminati,
the NSA/DIA/CIA/FBI/ONI/CSIS/FBI/BATF/RCMP/GRU/FSB/KGB/FIS/MI5/MI6/NHL/NFL/MLB/Bilderberger/
CFR/Trilateral Commission/Rockefeller/NWO/Saurian/Nephelim/Annunaki/Cephalapods/OSI/
Rothschilds/18th Street Gang/Los Lobos/KISS/NWA/TUPAC/Trailer Park Boys/X-Files/
Stargate SG1/BSG/Free Masons

ROFL, so THAT's what the spook world is calling itself these days eh?

Originally posted by StargateSG7
The addition of the Department of Homeland Security has muddied the waters
and now the NSA, CIA, DIA (Defence Intelligence Agency), Office of Naval Intelligence,
and many others of the 40-odd AMERICAN agencies tasks with domestic and foreign
intelligence gathering & analysis are ALL trying to combine their forces
and form an INTEGRATED intelligence apparatus than can SHARE data and then
ACT upon that within a timely manner.

If the american government with a trillion dollar intelligence budget cannot stop a band of rugged mujahadeen warriors then what purpose does it really serve? Is it really targeting the bad guys or someone else? Hmmmm......

This is one of the largest sub-cultures of it's kind on the entire internet. This would be a very important place for the government to observe us. If any of these conspiracy theories are real then wouldn't the government have a vested interest in making sure we don't learn too much? We are one of the largest conspiracy sites on the web and alot of folks here don't like Bush. But how many secret service agents are here for the purpose of protecting the president and how many intelligence agents are here spreading disinformation? It's two different things and quite honestly it could very well be two completely different intelligence organisations.

If they are keeping secrets they have to do whatever is in their power to keep those secrets safe. This would include a whole variety of tactics including disinformation. The simple size and scale and openness of this site makes it one of the most important of it's kind anywhere. The government would obviously be interested in making sure we don't get too close to the truth. That means monitoring posts, monitoring threads and discussions, monitoring evidence being presented, and monitoring how close we are to the truth~!

-ChriS



[edit on 26-5-2008 by BlasteR]

I disagree with Bush's policies and hope he gets TAKEN OUT. Oh no now I'm on a list. You think I care? I am not afraid of anyone as ones own fear is the only thing which holds them back.

Originally posted by CPYKOmega
I disagree with Bush's policies and hope he gets TAKEN OUT.

The Major is curious, taken out where? To dinner? The movies? The old ball game? The Major would go for the old ball game considering our President's connection to baseball and the obvious patriotic connection.

The Major would also like to commend those that have lived up to the finest ATS tradition. Much as the Major anticipated, fingers were pointed, accusations made, and innuendo was abound. This reaffirmation warms the Major's heart, and has undoubtedly brightened the day of those that are watching.

Dismissed.