Sharon Stone:China earthquake is karma

stupid porn star

I will never buy DIOR any more

What puzzles me is why do so many westerners who have never been to Tibet,
stiffly believe Tibetan are oppressed, tortured, slaughtered.
Mr.Dalai and western MSM really did a "good job" in this regard.

[edit on 27-5-2008 by gs001]

If the so called "human rights abuse in Tibet" specifically means
the punishment toward the tiny group of separatists,
I believe the dispute between Chinese and westerners will never end.
Because in western eyes they are "freedom fighters"
but in the eyes of Chinese people (not only Chinese government)
they are criminals and deserve judicial punishment.

Originally posted by Cyberbian
reply to post by zarzar

 

A person may speak for themself of rightiousness; but to do so about the affairs of another land is questionable, when there remains so much unrightiousness in ones own land.

I think, it is just a personal choice for what to speak and not to speak. But we have to know well the consequences of what we do and be responsible to oneself and the others. In the case with Sharon I would not hurry up in making fast conclusions, since she is in actor after all

Anyway, I was working in the area of human rights throughout the years, and I think what we have done both domestically and for the oppressed countries had a good result. In our case we could not just stay and watch quietly all those dictators doing a serious harm to people in the countries they have the power. We had to speak out and we will always do that, either individually or not. That is our moral obligation - at least for us.

I am not Chinese, but I have been to mainland China. They seem to be a good people. Simple generous and sincere. They give up much, willingly for the good of the whole, and in turn for the good of themselves.
They are more profoundly like Americans than people wish to recognize.
The differences lie in the subtleys. The prime difference being the focus on social and personal interconnectedness. Unlike the American trend toward alienation.

My one regret for the Chinese people is that they have bought into the western way, lock stock and barrel. They had the opportunity to have technology without making the mistake of the automobile. I wish for them they had looked at our mistakes as well as our successes, and designed a more sane way of life than we have.

They clearly prize technological development over their own cultural heritages. This is understandable after the cultural revolution where Mao worked to erase their historical culture. Now they like to parade in the costumes of the subcultures for major events, while erasing the subcultures themselves from existence.

Oh what a sad world they will find when they can drive from one end of China to the other and never experience a difference from having stayed home.

That is a good observation.

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do you freedom/human rights fighter so bravely protests against the torture ur super civilized, righteous, humane gov inflicts on the terrorist suspects or the iraqi prisoners? or the way ur very humane sensible brave white cops treat the black bums or wrong them into prinson (per ur own TV program)? or the time-and-again missed bomb exploding scores of iraqi civilians or even soldiers of ur dear allies? or the savage massacre of chidren and women commited by Israeli soldiers at the small Lebanese villiage or Palestinian slums? or the distorted reports of ur alleged just media about China or the Chinese gov?

have you ever actually visited Tibet and talked to those ex-serfs of DLLM to make clear what their life used to be under the reign of the hypocritical theocratic dictator who knows nothing about mercy and essence of buddism but all the tricks ur CIA #ers have taught him to defame our government?

Yea, our gov is not perfect. there are corrumptions, in some cases, to the outrageous extent, but we governed ppl can feel the improvement of our life, not just in economic terms but also the freedom in speech and media, little by little. We Chinese ppl do not hold a hostile attitude to ur guys or ur gov. inspite of all the flaws we see in their governance and diplomatic policies or u ppl. Then why don't you guy come and find out the truth and judge thing with a unbiased heart and mind? If you have never done any research rather than just listened to what ur media instilled in ur mind, u r not in the position to give a comment.

reply to post by zarzar


do you freedom/human rights fighter so bravely protests against the torture ur super civilized, righteous, humane gov inflicts on the terrorist suspects or the iraqi prisoners? or the way ur very humane sensible brave white cops treat the black bums or wrong them into prinson (per ur own TV program)? or the time-and-again missed bomb exploding scores of iraqi civilians or even soldiers of ur dear allies? or the savage massacre of chidren and women commited by Israeli soldiers at the small Lebanese villiage or Palestinian slums? or the distorted reports of ur alleged just media about China or the Chinese gov?

reply to post by zarzar


have you ever actually visited Tibet and talked to those ex-serfs of DLLM to make clear what their life used to be under the reign of the hypocritical theocratic dictator who knows nothing about mercy and essence of buddism but all the tricks ur CIA #ers have taught him to defame our government?

Yea, our gov is not perfect. there are corrumptions, in some cases, to the outrageous extent, but we governed ppl can feel the improvement of our life, not just in economic terms but also the freedom in speech and media, little by little. We Chinese ppl do not hold a hostile attitude to ur guys or ur gov. inspite of all the flaws we see in their governance and diplomatic policies or u ppl. Then why don't you guy come and find out the truth and judge thing with a unbiased heart and mind? If you have never done any research rather than just listened to what ur media instilled in ur mind, u r not in the position to give a comment.

BTW, in case u guy will mention the 89 student democratic movement, all i want to say is: it's history, like ur dirty history about the indians, the black slaves (it's still not history in ur country now), ur resort to war to prevent the south from seceding from the federation (why? do u really believe all they want to free the black slaves?) come on, let by-gones be by-gones. let's focus on the status quo.

Originally posted by nonoknowsoso
reply to post by zarzar

 

do you freedom/human rights fighter so bravely protests against the torture ur super civilized, righteous, humane gov inflicts on the terrorist suspects or the iraqi prisoners? or the way ur very humane sensible brave white cops treat the black bums or wrong them into prinson (per ur own TV program)? or the time-and-again missed bomb exploding scores of iraqi civilians or even soldiers of ur dear allies? or the savage massacre of chidren and women commited by Israeli soldiers at the small Lebanese villiage or Palestinian slums? or the distorted reports of ur alleged just media about China or the Chinese gov?

Well, the government in the country I live is not perfect, but it does not employ torture in any way. I do not live in the US, but in Europe. You are making some kind of mistake I think. There is no much point of shifting the topic to the US/Israel human rights abuses - this is widely discussed in this forum and most of the people here have common view on the issues. Additionally there is also Russia, half of post-USSR states, half of Africa, half of Latin America, and so on. But that does not make the Chinese Communist party less guilty of killing around 80 million people in peaceful time.

I am not talking about the media reports, but the numerous evidence we have from many different sources and about what I personally have experience in this regard.

Originally posted by zarzar
Anyway, I was working in the area of human rights throughout the years, and I think what we have done both domestically and for the oppressed countries had a good result. In our case we could not just stay and watch quietly all those dictators doing a serious harm to people in the countries they have the power. We had to speak out and we will always do that, either individually or not. That is our moral obligation - at least for us.

Obligation? Is that called moral superiority complex?
Are you sure Chinese people need your "obligation"?
Are you going to persuade Chinese people that those separatists who
want to split their country is NOT their enemy but their friend?
I guess that must be a toooooooooo hard work.

Originally posted by nonoknowsoso
BTW, in case u guy will mention the 89 student democratic movement, all i want to say is: it's history, like ur dirty history about the indians, the black slaves (it's still not history in ur country now), ur resort to war to prevent the south from seceding from the federation (why? do u really believe all they want to free the black slaves?) come on, let by-gones be by-gones. let's focus on the status quo.

Well, there are still ongoing repression of different people in China and your government cannot hide that fact from the international community despite their huge effort to do so. I was born in Christian family and I have followed quite closely how the Chinese government persecutes innocent Christian people because they don't want to obey to the government control of their faith. It is more so with the Muslims in the Xinjiang region.

Yesterday I was talking with a few Chinese users about Falun Gong. He just repeated the government propaganda that Falun Gong followers impose danger to themselves and the social stability. Well, we know that Falun Gong is practiced far and wide nowadays and the number of Falun Gong people is getting bigger and bigger. I asked them to show me a few cases where the Falun Gong followers have done something illegal abroad or have imposed a danger to themselves or other people, but without citing Communist party media sources and without cases from China, which are reported by the same sources. They just avoided my request. One of them said that Falun Gong forbids going to see doctor if you are ill, and I asked him with so many followers around here, if they don't go to see doctor for so many years would not be there a lot of reported cases of death by not going to see doctor? There is none of those and even more Falun Gong denies that accusation. We know perfectly well what happens when one does not to take care of his teeth problems. Would not the Falun Gong followers become extinct by now here if we follow that logic. The issue was again avoided. Additionally here we could freely access the Falun Gong books and we could see that their teachings are not as the Chinese government portrayed them - it teaches people to be good to one another, to think first of others, to improve your character, etc.

Why is the Chinese government lying so blatantly? Why does it think we are so stupid not to double check it's propaganda nonsense? That is why your glorious nation's image is so tarnished now in the eyes of the international community. You have to face the facts and the consequences of what your government has done.

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Well, I don't know where you got the number 80 million and what do u mean by this. I think a gov is a, how to say, a family maybe. each family has a skeleton in the cupboard. some of those now eminent families in the world have a not-so-decent history of getting rich, and some of their members still engage in some filthy business nowadays. but the guilty generation have passed away, their sin died with them. You shouldn't blame the current generation for the crimes of the former generation, just because they are in the same family, right? Yea, I admit that our gov is pretty defective. We civilians also want more transparency of the gov operation and more public survaillance on the decisions of the bureaucratic gov (esp. local gov). But things can't change overnight, right? anyway, the new china was founded only 60yrs ago from almost nothing. no money, no industry, no food, no dignity, not to speak of democracy. moreover, the parliament, heavily-funded election might not be the only choice for improving the political status of a country. We still walk a long way towards economic prosperity and democracy and we also welcome friendly advices and benign constructive critics. But we need no evilly-intended pressure aimed to overturn our gov for the most part because it is labelled "communit".