Brain Implantation..Information is the Modern Day version of Warfare.

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Thanks Ding...

[url=A great collection of informations and research on this topic.

I actually think that there is probably enough specifics in that link(s) to accurately research and verify...and I feel closer to resolution (Sorry Sky...it's not paranormal)...

Posted for potential relevance...

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The most favored sites are just above the brow ridge, the nasal sinus, and the
base of the skull.. in one pic there was an implant in the lower jaw..

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Brain Transmitters

What They Are and How They Are Used

Doctors in Sweden
began placing brain transmitters in the heads of anesthetized patients without the persons’ knowledge in about 1960. The insertion was conducted through the nostrils and took only a couple of minutes to perform.

Implanted devices can remain in a person’s head for life. The energy to activate the implants is transmitted by way of radio waves. Professor José Delgado wrote about the technology in Physical Control of the Mind in 1969.

The Technology and Its Possibilities
Brain transmitters have been thought to be impossible by the majority of people and have been relegated to science fiction. The fact is that scientists developed the technology into reality at least forty years ago.[1]

By means of two-way radio communication called telemetry, or remote control, one can send wavelengths round trip to a brain transmitter in a person’s head. The wavelengths flow through a person’s brain, then return to a computer where all aspects of a human being’s life are uncovered and analyzed.

To allow brain waves, measured by electroencephalograph (EEG), to be analyzed by a computer instead of through a printout offers new possibilities of interpretation. The charting of mental thoughts, vision, hearing, feelings, and behavioral reactions can lead to an analysis of the foundation of personality. It allows one to study the psyche more completely. In addition, one can follow chemical reactions, observe patterns of neurons, or follow an illness or disease and analyze it at an earlier stage of development. All of the above and much more can be discovered with bio-medical telemetry.[2]

During the 1960s, brain transmitters as small as a half of a cigarette filter made it possible for doctors to implant them in patients easily and without surgery.

Two-way radio communication throughout the world to the brain was possible by the late 1950s. This was done in many ways. For example, vocal messages could be sent by radio waves to receivers placed in the head, where a person with an attached transmitter could answer directly to a central location with his thoughts, by brain waves data (EEG) carried with radio signals.[3]

Distances were not a problem, since radio waves could travel globally at the speed of light.

“The X-ray shows a transmitter implanted in my brain.” — Implant victim.

Liquid crystals which are injected directly into the bloodstream and fasten themselves to the brain have been developed in the last ten years. It works on the same principle as the usual transmitters and uses the same technology and contains the same possibilities.[4] [Note:1]

How It Began - Experiments with the Brain

As early as the 1920s, European scientists made discoveries which paved the way for future development of brain stimulation. The Swiss W. R. Hess could identify 4,000 different places in the brain’s hypothalamus, which are in direct contact to certain physical and mental reactions. By stimulating specific points in the brain by an electrical current, the stimulation of one point of the brain could bring about aggressive reactions, while the stimulation of another point could bring about calmness. Through electrical currents to the brain, Dr. Hess could change peoples’ personalities, bring about feelings of happiness or sadness, hunger or satisfaction, etc. All of this was achieved over seventy years ago.[5]

To the Present and Victims for Life

Brain transmitters, also called electrodes, stimoceivers, and endoradiosondes, can control the brain and transmit data. They can be used to influence people to conform to a political system. They can be applied to remotely monitor and control human beings to serve as agents. The technology exists and is being utilized. The devices usually remain in a person’s head for life.


“Autonomic and somatic functions, individual and social behaviors, emotional and mental reactions may be evoked, maintained, modified, or inhibited, both in animals and in man, by electrical stimulation of specific cerebral structures. Physical control of many brain functions is a demonstrated fact. ... It is even possible to follow intentions, the development of thoughts, and visual experiences,” wrote Dr. José Delgado in the book Physical Control of the Mind in 1969. At that time Dr. Delgado was a Professor of Physiology at Yale University, where he developed techniques for electronically and chemically influencing the brain. He has published more than two hundred scientific works and is a well-known authority in neurology and behaviorism.

In the preface to the book, it is written that Dr. Delgado, “... shows how, by electrical stimulation of specific cerebral structures, movements can be induced by radio command, hostility may appear or disappear, social hierarchy can be modified, sexual behavior may be changed, and memory, emotions and the thinking process may be influenced by remote control.”[6]


It is possible to change people, create illness, modify opinions, and dull or activate the senses by penetrating centers of the brain with radio waves. People then obey controllers instead of their own natural choices. Monitoring of individuals’ brain activity can instantly reveal all private experiences and observations of others.


“This is the second implanted transmitter; this device appeared under rather unusual circumstances on 10th March 1972, when I became tranquilized in the hotel where I was temporarily lodging. This implantation preceded a period of prolonged torture with personality-altering radio signals 10 - 20 hours a day and they started communicating directly with my brain. It was then I realized that they could discern my thoughts and, indeed, experience my entire range of cognitive activity. ... The picture was taken at Karolinska Hospital where all radiographers deny that any foreign object can be identified in this picture. However, there are a number of overseas physicians who testify the obvious fact, that several transmitters can be seen quite clearly.” — Robert Naeslund, INMC, Open letter, Stockholm, Sweden, May 1993, page 32.

Dr. Robert G. Heath, of Tulane University, has implanted as many as 125 electrodes in a human being’s brain. In his experiments, he discovered that he could control his patients’ memories, sexual arousal, fear, pleasure, and cause hallucinations.

Overriding Proof Against the Hospitals

“In response to your most recent letter regarding the roentgen films, I can only confirm that some foreign objects, most likely brain transmitters, have been implanted at the base of your frontal brain and in the skull,” wrote Professor Peter Aaron Lindstrom from California to one of his Swedish patients. The patient was a victim of an implantation of a brain transmitter over twenty-five years ago. Dr. Lindstrom, who taught at the University of California, San Diego, added, “There is no excuse for doctors to implant brain transmitters in people’s heads.”

There is complete evidence that Södersjukhuset, Karolinska, Nacka, and Sundsvall hospitals, among others in Sweden, have implanted brain transmitters without the permission or knowledge of the patients for many decades.

Mental Patients Utilized

Investigations at different mental hospitals in Sweden have shown that a great number of patients out of fifty interviewed, thought themselves to be victims of long-term medical experiments. A number of these patients were actually in need of mental care due to the experiments. There were also many at the hospitals who were forcibly placed there because they had declared that a transmitter had been implanted in their heads during an operation, or in conjunction with admittance to the mental hospital.

Checks were made of all groups with electronic devices which confirmed that there were radio waves traveling from brain transmitters in many patients.[7]

Interviews with patients were done at Långbro Hospital, Beckomberga Hospital, as well as at Karolinska Hospital Psychiatric Clinic.

The radio waves which pass through the brain are not necessarily registered by one who has a brain transmitter. Only when the effect is greatly increased, for example when experiments are performed, is it possible for the victim to detect them.

“This is the third transmitter placed in my head and the first which was embedded in my brain. Without doubt it was implanted while being detained by the police in Stockholm 1973; this was my first period of custody and afterwards I underwent considerable personality modification, a process which had already begun in 1967 but accelerated rapidly towards criminality after the implantation of the second transmitter.” — Robert Naeslund, INMC, Open letter, Stockholm, Sweden, May 1993, page 32.

Electronic Measurements

This picture shows the frequencies 18.5 - 18.7 kHz which were sent from a brain transmitter. The chart was created by a printer connected to a radio frequency analyzer computer during measurements from a transmitter in a person’s skull.

While measuring other persons, the wavelengths were counted at similar values.

Long wavelengths are commonly used since they work over vast distances at the speed of light, and the frequencies are often between 15 - 35 kHz.[8]

The radio waves are called “frequency shift” signals and can flow within a certain wavelength area. They do not occur in a decided frequency, but rather through a special modulation, the radio waves identity. The bandwidth was 150 Hz and the effect in all measurements was between 1 - 10 microvolts.

Measurements were done with the following electronic devices:

Hewlett & Packard Spectrum Analyzer 3585 A

Roedre & Schwarts VLF-HF Receiver EK 070

Marconi Spectrum Analyzer

Dynamics SD 375 Spectrum Analyzer

Nicolets Radio Frequency Analyzer Computer

Court Trials in Canada

were heard against a number of hospitals in Montreal in 1989. The hospitals were accused of carrying on long painful experiments with patients which began in the 1950s. One of Canada’s most honored doctors, Ewen Cameron, Head Doctor at Royal Victoria Hospital and Allen Memorial Institute, worked on assignments from the Secret Police that ordered experiments with, among other things, brain transmitters.[9]

“Furthermore, it can be seen that electrodes placed in the occipital lobe are blocking the blood flow behind their delimitation where the oxygen depletion is caused and this is seen as well in his frontal brain just above the implanted transmitter. Among the changes caused by the frequencies affecting his brain, the reduced oxygen levels have induced an alteration of neurological functions, and impaired cognitive abilities including that of memory. Moreover he [Mr. N’Tumba] has obviously been anesthetized without his knowledge so that this implantation could be performed. ... The x-ray examination was performed at Brook Hospital Main, September 16, 1992.” — INMC, Letter to British Prime Minister John Major, Stockholm, Sweden, October 9, 1992.

“... a meeting between Mr. John Austin-Walker, Member of Parliament, and a victim of mind control, impressed on him the importance of pursuing investigations into the matter ...” — INMC, Letter to British Prime Minister John Major, Stockholm, Sweden, October 9, 1992, page 1.

Many Others Cry for Help

Doctors at the World Health Organization’s (WHO) office in Copenhagen say that many Swedes write to them, stating that they have been exploited for hospital experiments. Many say that devices must have been implanted in their heads.

The United Nations’ information office in Copenhagen also says that upset residents of Sweden have contacted them and have sought help as victims of hospital experiments.

Amnesty International in Stockholm and Copenhagen tell a similar story, as well as the Citizens’ Rights Movement, representatives of the Green Party of Sweden, and a number of female members of the Swedish Parliament.

Those who contact the National Swedish Board of Health and Welfare (Socialstyrelsen) about this issue are sent to Department Ptp (formerly HS4 and SN3). Then they are informed that they are psychologically ill and that they run the risk of being admitted to a mental hospital if they continue to talk about a device in their heads. Additionally, they are told that brain transmitters do not exist.

Swedish Board of Health and Welfare

The person Dr. Lindstrom later helped had by 1977 written to authorities in Sweden and explained to them to what he had been subjected. Among those he wrote to was the General Director of the Board of Health and Welfare.

Declared Mentally Ill

Dr. Annmari Jonson at the Board of Health and Welfare referred to the letter a year later when she explained, “He intensely maintains everything which he had written to the Board of Health and Welfare. He exhibits, in this way, obvious misconceptions and points clearly to the need for psychiatric examination.”

The examination was conducted in 1978 by Dr. Janos Jez, who wrote:

“He says that he is convinced that a device was applied in his head during an operation at Södersjukhuset. He ought to be considered dangerous if this pattern of misconceptions cannot be erased; and if he then begins to doubt his ideas and thereafter begins to have insight into his illness. He should therefore be committed to an asylum.”

Five years later Dr. Lindstrom wrote, “... I can only confirm that some foreign objects, most likely brain transmitters, have been implanted at the base of your frontal brain and in the skull. ... I fully agree with Lincoln Lawrence who in his book on page 27 wrote; ‘There are two particularly dreadful procedures which have been developed. Those working and playing with them secretly call them R.H.I.C. and E.D.O.M. — Radio-Hypnotic Intra-cerebral Control and Electronic Dissolution of Memory ...’”

The patient wrote to both the doctors and the Board of Health and Welfare’s General Director, Barbro Westerholm, and included a copy of Dr. Lindstrom’s declaration. However, none of them desired to answer, which indicates both the Board of Health and Welfare’s attitude towards the issue, and even the doctors’ guilt.[10]

What Brain Transmitters Look Like

The above photographs are of brain transmitters. The above one on the left is an enlargement taken from an X-ray. The above picture on the right was taken at an operation to remove the implant.


The above one on the right shows the shape of the most usual type of brain transmitter. It looks like a bullet and is put into place through the nose. This device was inserted during an operation at Södersjukhuset in Stockholm by Dr. Curt Strand at the end of the 1960s, without the knowledge or consent of the patient. It was placed just underneath the brain. This implant is the same shape on both sides and its actual length is 16 millimeters (mm) or .62 inch, with a width of 7 mm (.27 inch).

The above picture to the left shows a brain transmitter which has the shape of a mushroom. It was implanted through a surgical opening in the forehead. Its actual size is 7 mm (.27 inch) across the head, while the stem is 4 mm (.16 inch).

Most implant victims are unaware of the devices because they were sedated during the procedures. Then they are amnesic, monitored, and controlled. However there are some disclosures.

“This is the fourth transmitter in my head and it was inserted in connection with an appearance at Nacka Police Station, just outside Stockholm, on 26th November 1975, ostensibly for interrogation. I was locked up in a cell, but after a short while I fell into a deep sleep from which I emerged to an entirely new life. It is during these hours when the transmitter was implanted, and when, I awoke I had a searing high frequency signal at about 100 db in my skull. This was to plague me for about 16 hours a day for the past eight years and completely transform my life. It depressed the functional capacity of my right cerebral hemisphere and altered my personality, behavior, and abilities as if they no longer were part of myself.” — Robert Naeslund, INMC, Open letter, Stockholm, Sweden, May 1993, page 32.

Doctors Warn

Dr. Robert J. Grimm of the Good Samaritan Hospital in Portland, Oregon, stated in March 1974 at a doctor’s symposium in California, that he viewed brain control and influencing the brain with radio waves was of similar importance as to the debate concerning the detonation of the first atomic bomb in Hiroshima. He also asked, “Do scientists have the right to pursue projects potentially destructive of human life, and in this era, destructive of the individual?”

And Protest to the Swedish Government

The chairman of an internationally influential scientific organization in Canada, Dr. Andrew Michrowski, wrote in 1985 to the Swedish government and sought an answer about Sweden’s obvious encroachment of human rights. He saw clear evidence that Swedish doctors implanted brain transmitters in patients, and referred to the Declaration of Human Rights signed by Sweden.

The Swedish government did not reply.

“This X-ray shows three transmitters in the frontal lobes. All of these were implanted on different occasions by the Swedish police. The detainee had been put to sleep unaware, as usual, at the police remand center in Stockholm. A doctor writes in his statement concerning this X-ray:

‘...Later I received your additional skull film which clearly demonstrated some implanted transmitters, one inside the brain and two probably just underneath the brain.’

The upper arrow indicates the object lodged completely within the brain. All these transmitters were inserted through the nostrils and implanted into the frontal lobes in the vicinity of the upper opening of the nasal passage.” — Lennart Lindquist, Evamarie Taylor, and Robert Naeslund, Cybergods, Stockholm: Gruppen, 1996, page 11.

Another medical opinion about X-rays, “... taken at Karolinska Hospital where all radiographers deny that any foreign object can be identified.” — INMC, Open letter, Stockholm, Sweden, May 1993, page 32.

FOA Educates Doctors

Since the 1960s, the Swedish Defense Research Institution (FOA) has educated hospital doctors, mostly surgeons and psychiatrists, regarding brain transmitters and bio-medical telemetry.

One of the books which was used twenty-five years ago at FOA’s Department 3 in education had the title Bio-Medical Telemetry (1968), written by Dr. Stuart Mackay. Dr. Mackay wrote in the introduction that, “The purpose of this book is to introduce a wide segment of the scientific community to the rapidly developing field of bio-medical telemetry. It presents to physicians, engineers, and scientists information about the possibilities of different telemetric methods. It gives biologists a background in electronics to enable them to choose equipment.”

The former head of FOA, Lars-Erik Tammelin, and the following director, Bo Rydbeck, are medical doctors with advanced knowledge in biology.

When Bo Rydbeck became head of the FOA in 1985, he said in an interview in the newspaper Dagens Nyheter that, “Among the current assignments, more intensive effort will be put into information technology.” Which includes both telemetry and brain transmitters as essential parts.[11]

Dr. Mackay continued in his introduction, “Among the many telemetry instruments being used today [1968] are miniature radio transmitters that can be swallowed, carried externally, or surgically implanted in man or animals. Recent developments include pressure transmitters small enough to be placed in the eye, ultrasonic and radio units for free-swimming dolphins, units for tracking wild animals, and pill-sized transmitters of many designs and functions that can operate continuously for several years. The scope of observations that can be made is too broad to more than hint at with a few examples. ... The possibilities are limited only by the imagination of the investigator.”

Dr. Stuart Mackay has worked as a Professor at the University of California, Berkeley, and at many foreign universities. His main fields are Medicine and Biology.

Computers and the Brain

“Dr. Delgado is optimistic that with the increasing sophistication and miniaturization of electronics, it may be possible to compress the necessary circuitry for a small computer into a chip that is implantable subcutaneously. In this way, the new self-contained instrument could be devised; capable of receiving, analyzing and sending back information to the brain, establishing artificial links between unrelated cerebral areas, functional feedbacks, and programs of stimulations contingent on the appearance of predetermined wave patterns,” wrote Samuel Chavkin in The Mind Stealers (1978), a book about psychosurgery and mind control.

Samuel Chavkin was the founder and chief editor of the Science and Medicine Publishing Company, which publishes periodicals concentrating on medical topics.

In the preface to the book it is stated that, “Telemetry for the surveillance of every citizen is on the drawing boards. Chavkin’s prediction that mind-control techniques could become standard equipment of governments, prisons, and police departments is backed by forceful documentation.”[12]

Bio-telemetry systems that remotely “mind read” and “mind control” have existed for decades. Brain transmitters measure EEG and transmit data to computers that instantly translate it into words. Implants also deliver electric shocks that control a brain and behaviors. The devices are now less than 1 mm (.04 inch) in diameter.

Dr. Delgado conducted experiments in the early 1960s that placed an electrode on the eardrum (middle ear) of a cat. The device picked-up people’s conversations and transmitted them to a receiver for listening. According to Victor Marchetti, co-author of The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence (1974), the CIA attached a tiny radio implant to a cat’s cochlea (inner ear) for surveillance purposes.

A few years after Delgado’s implanted “bug” experiments, Dr. Ralph Schwitzgebel developed a miniature radio receiver so that a therapist could communicate with his subject.

Very small combination microphone-transceiver-speakers are implanted in unsuspecting people’s ears. The instruments transmit nearby conversations and deliver audio commands to individuals that are usually unaware of the voices.[13]


“X-ray photograph taken the day following the operation [August 12, 1987, St. Carolus Hospital, Ji Salemba, Djakarta], the 1/2 cm [.20 inch] deep area of branded cortex can be identified, as can the implanted transmitter.” — INMC, Open letter, Stockholm, Sweden, May 1993, page 15.

In 1985
an advertisement placed by the Swedish Citizens’ Rights Movement in over thirty daily and weekly publications stated that doctors in larger hospitals in Sweden inserted brain transmitters in anesthetized patients during operations. At the same time, a letter signed by fifty people was sent to the Attorney General.

The Attorney General Questioned

Those who had signed the letter had read through material which showed that the reality of brain transmitters is a fact. The signers demanded an answer from the Attorney General on whether the implantation of brain transmitters is a crime or not. Those who signed the letter were representatives from different human rights groups, the Swedish Peace Movement, professors from, for example, the Royal School of Technology, lawyers, and others.

The State Says Yes to Brain Transmitters

The Attorney General did not reply to the letter. Instead, he sent it to the Attorney District (Överåklagaren), who said that this issue should not be considered a crime. Decision from May 15, 1985, Överåklagaren Register number AD II 76-85.

However, of course it is one of the harshest crimes which the state can commit; to deny the right of the individual to his or her own brain, and to inner peace without the interference of government authorities. Since Sweden signed the Human Rights Act, it must follow the act’s assumptions. In any case, it means that a new relationship has been created between the state and the people of the country.

“There are similar signs, here and now, like in Germany during the 1930s, where the country’s leading doctors and politicians see individuals as objects of experimentation where their brains and behaviors are changed,” wrote Samuel Chavkin about the United States in 1978. The same can be said about Sweden, the same ideas exist here. Mind-control technology has changed since the 1970s and has been developed even further.[14]

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[edit on Sun, 24 May 2009 13:17:18 -0500 by MemoryShock]

Sorry for the long excerpt above...

Another link that focuses on Swedens participation in this field - with pictures/X-Rays

Edit To Add - The citation list is impressive, at about 3/4's of the way down the page...

“A Method for the Remote Control of Electrical Stimulation of the Nervous System.” E.L. Chaffee and R.U. Light. Yale Journal of Biology & Medicine, 1934, 7.

Remote Control being discussed in 1934...sometimes I feel like a moron when I consider how much the penultimate "they" must know...talk about a potential culture shock...

[edit on Sun, 24 May 2009 13:39:41 -0500 by MemoryShock]

Then, see if those patterns are generalizable — if everyone has similar patterns.

Link

Does this mean that there are more?

I am over the fact that I am 'an isolated case'...and as well over the fact that I may not interpret my situation correctly.

The above suggests that there are others.

My god for proof...

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Believe me brother, (or sister, I'm not sure) you are right on the money on this one. In the 1980's I took part in a series of experiments at the Defense Inteligence Agency on ways to improve the polygraph. It was and for the most part still is more art then science. The goal was by EEG and MRI determine if someone was telling the truth, not full blown "mind reading", but the next best thing. We studied evoked potentials. Uncontrollable and not subject to any anti-polygraph conditioning. It's been known a long time certain drugs, like valium can "blunt" the reponse to questions. After using such drugs the polygrapher would say, if other counter-conditioning was used, the results were inconclusive. You could honestly state your age, and he would still get "inconclusive". Drove one polygrapher I knew nuts.

The idea was to see if a nonsense statement would provoke a detectable response. Such as "he took a drink from the radio". You could construct a series of questions based on surprise, producing in the brain what was called "the P-100 wave", otherwise known as the double take wave. The experimental results were most interesting, I have no doubt the technology has vastly improved since those "dark ages".

Heres my story on it. They use subvocalisation to hear everything I think.

Get alot of text messages.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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The more I am on ATS, the more I feel like a loon!

I rarely believe topics people post unless provided with proof like yours...

It is nice knowing such information, and I feel another conspiracy is the goal to make "conspiracists" to seem like crazy people. Some are, but regarding issues like this - barely anyone even knows about it!

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Could this explain the 6 month headache that just won't go away? Hmm..

Originally posted by FritosBBQTwist
The more I am on ATS, the more I feel like a loon!

I rarely believe topics people post unless provided with proof like yours...

It is nice knowing such information, and I feel another conspiracy is the goal to make "conspiracists" to seem like crazy people. Some are, but regarding issues like this - barely anyone even knows about it!

It sounds conspiratorial of me, but I cultivated my username for awhile before discussing this so that I might be taken seriously...so thank you for the kind words.

And yes, Conspiracy theorist is just another label with 'negative' connotations because it doesn't fit into the social paradigm that is propagated throughout our society as the ideal social image...and while I contend that there is a lot of paranoid thinkers out their, the biggest contributer is lack of awareness/exposure...you really have to dig and know where to dig for this. I just happened to be exposed to it subjectively...

Originally posted by Skyfloating
What I do sometimes wonder is if it is really possible to erase memories and replace them with other ones.

Radiolab on NPR discusses this subject somewhat. In fact, this particular show (FREE MP3 of entire show!!!):
Radiolab episode: Memory and Forgetting

From the show's description:

...LeDoux’s research goes sci-fi, when he and his colleague Karim Nader start trying to erase memories. And Nader applies this research to humans suffering from PTSD.

It's a very interesting subject, and it appears to work. Keep in mind this is only what's made available to the public. I wonder how advanced this technology is in the top secret world.

The is every reason to believe this is happening, and no reason not to.

The control of someones mind is viscous and inhuman and the organizations that advocate it, and the people who do it -0 should be attacked and destroyed without mercy.

theres a big club out there, and you aint in it pal- george carlin

its a possibility that our lives were all planned out before us. not saying its fate or anything but the ones in control, control how they see fit. mostly by suggestion. its all bait. everything you hear and see, its all bait.

remember folks, nobody can tell you who you are. be who you will, but make sure its you. change if its not. we are all evolving. we are in this state of consciousness for a reason. and maybe the reason is deception. but what makes a seeker stop seeking? nothing! maybe the seeker was programmed to be one, maybe he was programmed to find out glitches unaware. but now that he is truly aware he then realizes this is what he came to do. come, see, and conquer, with the mind alone. ask questions, not to troll but to seek the truth and the only way we can find the truth is if we hear all that there is to hear. the best lies are half truths cus we want all the eggs in one basket, lol. dosent work like that, i wish it would and maybe its like that somewhere else but welcome to the #in planet earth, lol


along the wonderful journey of life, or consciousness and holograms, whatever you wanna call it. why use endless wasted energy goin up and down the karma dualistic rollercoaster? is this what builds individuals or machines?

i really dont like being pessimistic about things but when it comes to seeking the truth, its not always a cinderella slipper ending conclusion when you find a jewel, lol. and it seems like the path never ends and im stuck sippin tea, "happy" as a hatter but hey, how's your life? circumstances, some differ, some same.

p.s. i dont hate the postman, only the message he brings, lol


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Originally posted by Lone_Rainger
maybe the seeker was programmed to be one, maybe he was programmed to find out glitches unaware.

Interesting that you mentioned that...the thought crossed my mind...more as a possibility and passing notion but it still crossed my mind...

For the record and whatever it is worth...

I posted the following on facebook about twenty minute ago (yes I have a facebook account):

"Remote Hypnosis is fun for everyone!!".

I walked away for a second to get some water and when I returned to look at it and admire my own "cleverness" my ear rang very audibly...as if a tuning fork were struck next to my head...except I felt it from the inside. It lasted about 5 seconds.

True Story and one hell of a synchronized tinitus shot.

History Channel Episode Of "That's Impossible" Entitled Mind Control

I am watching it right now and they just demonstrated a subvocalization. As well, they demonstrated a phone call via a cell phone and an "external implant" where the phone call was placed using measured thought. The conversation was electronically communicated via the measured subvocaliztion and transmitted to the cell phone.

First time air; will update when video shows up on youtube or the above linked website.

Edit to Add - They essentially demonstrated publicly that which I have been discussing here...

2nd Edit to Add - The episode just substantiated the use of technology described by Patent 6, 470,214 as capable of producing nerve signals that are percieved by the brain as voices..."much like the voices reported by targeted individuals".

So I suppose the implant assumption may have been off base (except if I think that the communication is two way...which I do). At any rate, I am actually excited to see this on a 'mainstream' cable channel. I have never seen such a concise look at Mind Control, inclusive of modern capabilities, in an hour television show. I can't wait to link the video.

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Thanks for the heads up. Looks like it's on again at 2 am EDT.

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by MemoryShock

...when I was young, I used to play a mind game prior to falling asleep...if I ever lost my train of thought, I would attempt to recall what 'thought' prompted the previous one so that I could trace back to what initailly got me going in that direction. I don't this as well as I did back then, but it is a memory excercise that I am unsure how I came up with.

For some people that is a meditation that is supposed to lead to hyper-awareness, by the way.

I have done this ever since I was little. I do it all the time for everything. I always wondered why I did it. I use to ask people if they did that and they just looked at me funny. I do this throughout the day if I lose my train of thought.

This is really an excellent thread that appears to be getting little attention relative to what I believe it deserves, but with that being said....

I am currently a senior Psych. student at a research university in GA.
I can tell you that what we learn in school, without a doubt, does NOT substantiate your story.

Now, with that being said, I am in no way a doubter of your story.

I believe that certain measures pertaining to the manipulation of BEHAVIOR are totally possible, but when dealing with the human brain, things tend to become more tricky.

The brain works by using what we call an electrochemical process and this process is facilitated by individual neurons, which are wholly separate from one another.
These neurons use BOTH the concentration gradients of the actual chemicals found within each neuron and the electrical charges of said chemicals in each neuron to communicate, but it is the ELECTRICAL charge that is passed between the neurons that decides if a neuron should fire and, if it does fire, then what type of neurotransmitters should be released to determine the type of neuronal communication.

My point in typing this, is to say that modern psychopharmacology focuses solely on either INCREASING (agonist) or DECREASING (antagonist) the potential of neurotransmitters.
The focus is on the chemical aspect of the electrochemical process, but the actual process used in deciding how the nervous system will respond is the ELECTRICAL part of the electrochemical process.
(We do discuss electroshock therapy. Torture in my opinion)

This is something that is quickly glossed over in the undergraduate understanding of the function of the human brain.
We solely focus on the chemicals involved in the nervous system.

Okay, now in my opinion this is purposefully overlooked in favor of things that can be isolated, synthesized and finally patented in order to make money.
Unfortunately the brain does not work well when things are isolated. This is contrary to the mechanisms involved in brain function. The brain does not isolate certain specific behaviors or beliefs to one area of the brain. Several areas work in conjunction in order to produce thoughts/behaviors.
(This is a design feature of the brain that makes it similar to bulkheads on a supertanker, imho. The brain is the only organ that does not actively regenerate its cells, so as a protective measure evolution designed the brain in this fashion).

NOW....

I say all of this to essentially reinforce some parts of your story.

The mechanisms behind brain function are known, but not openly shared in academia because of one reason, PROFIT for the pharmaceutical companies.

Ibogaine is a perfect example.

Whatever is happening to you, I am of the opinion that finding a therapist who is congruent to your story could do miracles for any behaviors in which you engage that you find personally distressful.

Any therapist who tries to diagnose you, especially the voices part or the paranoia part, without diagnosing ALL 5 AXES in the DSM and without validating what you tell them, then they are suspect and you should leave immediately.

Not all shrinks are freaks and, believe it or not, many of us have had similar experiences and helping others is a way for us to work through similar issues.

A good therapist should not judge, be honest, be congruent with you in what they say and DO, and always empathize.
If you do not feel comfortable then it is for a reason.

Never doubt yourself and know that if you are talking about it on this forum and you are aware of your situation, then you ARE NOT AXIS II.

YOU ARE AXIS I.
And axis I disorders are behavioral and can be accommodated.
(I tell you this to make you wary of certain diagnoses)

Shalom, and I can only offer you faith and hope, and BTW....

I was heavily manipulated as a child. I know that what you are speaking of is real; however, most in the field of psychology will not believe you because we ARE TAUGHT not to believe you.

Like I said, find a therapist that does "believe" you.
There are big truths and little truths.
The opposite of a little truth is a lie, but the opposite of a big truth is still the truth.

Originally posted by Josephus23
This is really an excellent thread that appears to be getting little attention relative to what I believe it deserves, but with that being said....

Thank you...

I am currently a senior Psych. student at a research university in GA.
I can tell you that what we learn in school, without a doubt, does NOT substantiate your story.

In all fairness, I am a college drop out with interest...

Now, with that being said, I am in no way a doubter of your story.

I thank you again.

I believe that certain measures pertaining to the manipulation of BEHAVIOR are totally possible, but when dealing with the human brain, things tend to become more tricky.

Tricky indeed. One of the things I would love to stipulate, regardless of my experience, is that neurochemistry is individual. I am interested, mildly, that this topic was bumped because I am in the process of working a dream theory...yeah...for actual real. I would like a bit more by way of neurotransmitter/hormone physiology attention but my basis is that of individual...

I think, as expressed, that I may be an experimetee...but in an odd turn of events, I find that places me in an interesting position to ponder further for broad spectrum comprehension. Weird? Perhaps...

The brain works by using what we call an electrochemical process and this process is facilitated by individual neurons, which are wholly separate from
one another.

Consider the chemical solution the electrical signals are transmitted. They differ (for ease of reference) based on the circadian rhythm. This, of course, is different for individual experience. Hence why I think my experience, at the least, could provide some interesting insight....even if I am just paranoid, I'm trying to place it within psychological models...

These neurons use BOTH the concentration gradients of the actual chemicals found within each neuron and the electrical charges of said chemicals in each neuron to communicate, but it is the ELECTRICAL charge that is passed between the neurons that decides if a neuron should fire and, if it does fire, then what type of neurotransmitters should be released to determine the type of neuronal communication.

How does this relate to experience? -Honest question which would further m response-.

My point in typing this, is to say that modern psychopharmacology focuses solely on either INCREASING (agonist) or DECREASING (antagonist) the potential of neurotransmitters.

And my problem with this strategy is that experience is not factored. Humans have similar neurochemistry. The experiential reason for chemical association is not factored in my pharmaceuticals. Too general an application in my opinion.

The focus is on the chemical aspect of the electrochemical process, but the actual process used in deciding how the nervous system will respond is the ELECTRICAL part of the electrochemical process.
(We do discuss electroshock therapy. Torture in my opinion)

I disagree. Electro-chemical associations to an individual's experience is more relevant than a static application of neurotransmitter manipulation.

This is something that is quickly glossed over in the undergraduate understanding of the function of the human brain.
We solely focus on the chemicals involved in the nervous system.

Agreed. See above...

Okay, now in my opinion this is purposefully overlooked in favor of things that can be isolated, synthesized and finally patented in order to make money.

Agreed.

Unfortunately the brain does not work well when things are isolated. This is contrary to the mechanisms involved in brain function. The brain does not isolate certain specific behaviors or beliefs to one area of the brain. Several areas work in conjunction in order to produce thoughts/behaviors.

Agreed again...memory relates to body function as well as cognitive. Much to explore there....

(This is a design feature of the brain that makes it similar to bulkheads on a supertanker, imho. The brain is the only organ that does not actively regenerate its cells, so as a protective measure evolution designed the brain in this fashion).

Research "Neurogenesis" and "Apoptosis"...

I say all of this to essentially reinforce some parts of your story.

Thank you. I could use some reinforcement...

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The mechanisms behind brain function are known, but not openly shared in academia because of one reason, PROFIT for the pharmaceutical companies.


I think it is even beyond pharmaceutical. There may even be DOD application.

Remote hypnosis....I have experienced it (my last birthday I was sleeping in a bush listening to voices. Rancho Cucamonga, please don't ask me to go into details...I was there for three days and it was cold!(( True Story. ))

Whatever is happening to you, I am of the opinion that finding a therapist who is congruent to your story could do miracles for any behaviors in which you engage that you find personally distressful.

Thank you. I have found myself to be the better therapist. My behaviour is not one hundred percent functional in the classical sense but my socil circle, currently, reinforces my thought process. To Say, I supplement my friends and family in away that they find my advice useful...oddly enough.

Not all shrinks are freaks and, believe it or not, many of us have had similar experiences and helping others is a way for us to work through similar issues.

I have known people to study psychology to figure out "What was wrong with them"...They were duly noted.

Never doubt yourself and know that if you are talking about it on this forum and you are aware of your situation, then you ARE NOT AXIS II.

YOU ARE AXIS I.
And axis I disorders are behavioral and can be accommodated.
(I tell you this to make you wary of certain diagnoses)

Thanks again...I will look into the Axis'...

I was heavily manipulated as a child. I know that what you are speaking of is real; however, most in the field of psychology will not believe you because we ARE TAUGHT not to believe you.

The government is eons ahead of the modern psych journals...

The opposite of a little truth is a lie, but the opposite of a big truth is still the truth.

Interesting...but not defintively true.

I thank you for your post. It isn't over for me. I know this. I hear the voices on a daily basis. Creepy? Sure. I am hesitant to state it because it is creepy. But my senses aren't one hundred percent faulty...and I will continue as I am...

You rock and thank you. Please post more as you continue...