Am I Racist

To be honest I thought the Black - White divide was conquered way way back, African American & White American are (as far as I’m aware) spiritually , intellectually and physically (apart for the skin colour) the same, so stop diverting the thread onto colour of skin we are here to slag off each others religions.

Let's go people

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Originally posted by slackerwire
reply to post by nahsik

 

You do know that every race has a history of racism, discrimination, violence, wars, and segregation right?
You act as if whites invented those ideas.

Yes... everything is the fault of the white man when it comes to racism, slacker... didn't you know that?

Here's a very truthful email that was passed to me...

PROUD TO BE WHITE? - worth the read

Perhaps we should get rid of the term 'racist' all together and just
live our lives...

Michael Richards better known as Kramer from tv's Seinfeld. This
was his defense speech in court after making racial comments in his comedy
act. He makes some very interesting points.

Proud To Be White

Someone finally said it.
How many are actually paying attention to this?

There are African Americans, Mexican Americans,
Asian Americans, Arab Americans, etc.
And then there are just Americans.

You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction.
You Call me 'White boy,' 'Cracker,' 'Honkey,'
'Whitey,' 'Caveman' ... and that's OK.

But when I call you, Nigger, Kike, Towel head,
Sand-'n-word', Camel Jockey, Beaner, Gook, or Chink ...
You call me a racist.

You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you,
so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live?
You have the United Negro College Fund.
You have Martin Luther King Day.
You have Black History Month.
You have Cesar Chavez Day.
You have Yom Hashoah.
You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi.
You have the NAACP.
You have BET .
If we had WET (White Entertainment Television) we'd be racists.
If we had a White Pride Day, you would call us racists.If we had White History Month , we'd be racists.
If we had any organization for only whites to 'advance'
OUR lives we'd be racists.

We have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, a Black Chamber
of Commerce, and then we just have the plain Chamber of Commerce.
Wonder who pays for that?
A white woman could not be in the Miss Black American
pageant, but any colour can be in the Miss America pageant.
If we had a college fund that only gave white students
scholarships you know we'd be racists.
There are over 60 openly proclaimed Black Colleges
in the US . Yet if there were 'White colleges' THAT
would be a racist college.
In the Million Man March, you believed that you were
marching for your race and rights. If we marched for
our race and rights, you would call us racists.

You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and
you're not afraid to announce it. But when we announce
our white pride, you call us racists.
You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us. But, when a
white police officer shoots a black gang member or beats
up a black drug-dealer running from the law and posing a
threat to society, you call him a racist.

I am proud.
But you call me a racist.
Why is it that only whites can be racists?

There is nothing improper about this e-mail.
Let's see which of you are proud enough to send it on.

reply to post by orby1976


I live in the same area ...you have to live in these areas to understand what is going on ....I am not racist ...but I am culturist!!

Things are getting bad and one day the powder keg will blow...Hopefully I will see the signs and get my backside well away!

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Thank you for sharing that RabbitChaser!

I would also like to point out the the word "racist" is way way overused. There are THREE races! Assuming the poster is Caucasian, and they are concerned about Middle Eastern Muslims, do not worry, they are also Caucasian, so you are not racist.

Secondly, a few years ago the UK had a lot of IRA bombings. Do you think the people that were affected by those bombings might have become suspicious of unknown Irish Catholics when they met them? Do you suspect they might have wondered if those Irish Catholics were sympathetic to the IRA, or whether they cheered when they heard of the bomings? I would assume that yes, some of them probably did, did that make them racist?

I would consider myself a racist in some regards. On the otherhand I rather like Middle Eastern Muslims, my personal experience is that they are often nice, honest people. I may like them, but I can fully understand how it is very natural for people NOT to want to see their own culture and homelands taken over by foreign cultures, especially when it can introduce an element of fear and violence. If Europeans decided in masse to move to Middle Eastern countries and try to change their culture you can be darn sure they would face resistance (as it should be). That is not racism, it is one of the most basic of human instincts; protect the territory and resources from foreign, invading tribes. Of course when the invading tribe has a stronger army there is often not much that can be done, but when the invading force has NO army, well that is just stupidity.

There is nothing wrong with seeking to retain ones culture. Europe seems to be having a LOT of problems with immigration lately, and it is very sad. But then again perhaps Europeans were tired of their culture and way of life anyway (it seems that way).

Originally posted by orby1976
Not too sure where to put this post, mods please move if you wish.

I live in Leeds not too far from Beeston where the july 7 bombers came from. This for me is very worrying indeed. This is on my doorstep.
But the thing that bothers me is i never had a problem with muslims, i accept thet there is good and bad in all races.
Now i am very untrusting of them, and i am sick of our government letting them move over here to live.
We dont know if they are radicalised or not. must we live in fear while the government lets more over.Are we living in an invasion or what?
Was it not Enoch Powell who said the streets of England would be paved in blood.
Now i feel racist for feeling like this, but yet i never set out to feel like this. And now i feel ashamed.

To be honest i'm becoming the same way as yourself mate, i've never classed my self as a racist, but the way our country is going is quickly turning me into one. Not against blacks for example but more against religion. All religion has ever done is caused war. I also remember hearing somewhere that A QUARTER of all British muslims supported the 7/7 Attacks. i could go on and on, on this subject but the more i do, it becomes a rant and i sound more and more racist. So i'll stop here.

EDIT: i've just read RabbitChasers post and thast email is very true. The way i feel.

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Exactly the more you express your views, the more racist you'll sound.
I dont hate anybody for the colour of their skin, i never have, but just lately this country is going to the dogs. Immagrants are always coming over, taking our jobs for cheaper pay, so all the fat politicians can rake it in. They dont know all about who they let in. So to me the government is lining it's pockets at the risk of it's own people.
Nobody ever asked me if i agreed with letting immagrants in, and i suspect nobody else was asked. And i go to work everyday, pay my taxes(which are astronomical), But the working class Englishman has no voice now it would seem. If this is to carry on, i dont see a future for the U.K.

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Just look at how many Mosques are being built in the UK and the changing skyline..that's the future of the UK

Originally posted by shuck
reply to post by orby1976

 

Just look at how many Mosques are being built in the UK and the changing skyline..that's the future of the UK

And would we be allowed to build a church of England in the middle east???
I think not.
We are just one soft P.C. country

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS

Comments like "black people couldnt invent a wheel" and "black people have inferior intellect" are totally unacceptable.

So the truth is unacceptable to you? I thought this website was about finding the truth of things?

"The truth about hate, is people hate the truth."

Originally posted by HowlrunnerIV


And if laws were applied equally to both ethnicities would those figures still be true? As you can't appear to get current figures for your pretty bar graphs, I don't see why I should match them with current info, so:

If laws were applied equally to both races, black arrest rates would be even higher. Today the police are afraid of arresting blacks, as when they do, most of the time they get racist lawsuits against them. I've personally witnessed a black male robbing a white male on a street in Syracuse, NY and a police officer drove right by without stopping the robbery. Police do not even want to prevent black crimes any more.

As far as "current figures go", I'm sorry, those are official numbers from the US Government and they do not do studies like this every year, usually only every 5-10 years. But you are a bit naive if you think the figures change much in 5 years.

Originally posted by HowlrunnerIV
Why do possession of powder coc aine and crack coc aine have different penalities? Why does possession of crack coc aine bring imprisonment, but possession of powder coc aine does not? Would it be because crack is a black drug and blow is a white drug? Would it be because blow is the recreational drug of choice of Wall Street?

I don't know what country you live in, but I'm a certified law enforcement officer and possession of both is the same crime. New York Penal Code § 220.06 says that possession of coc aine of any kind is Criminal possession of a controlled substance in the fifth degree, which is a class D felony. The "imprisonment" that the arrestee will face is not up to the police officer but up to the judge/jury.

Originally posted by HowlrunnerIV
You see, your own ignorance is jumping out to moon you in public. The very use of the verb expatriate shows that you consider these white people to be native to the USA. Ipso facto, by your use of that verb in reference to them, you consider the deportation of black people to also be expatriation and therefore they are native to the USA.

It's ironic you accuse me of ignorance, but you cannot even get the facts about common laws right.

As far as whites being native to the USA, yes we are, we founded this country, we fought against the british and died establishing this country, and we alone built this country from nothing into the most powerful country to ever exist.

If that does not make us native to our country, I don't know what does.

Originally posted by AgentStovkowski

I don't know what country you live in, but I'm a certified law enforcement officer.

And it's good to see the boys in blue feel the same too, I always thought they were too afraid of the racial card to speak up. Having said that i bet you feel your hands are tied alot of the time.



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Originally posted by orby1976
And it's good to see the boys in blue feel the same too, I always thought they were too afraid of the racial card to speak up. Having said that i bet you feel your hands are tied alot of the time.

You can be sure if I spoke about this publicly and posted my name, I would be fired in a heartbeat.

During training, officers have to watch I kid you not, NINE "diversity training" videos. Most of them an hour long. Not all at once and not on the same day, thank god. The videos are basically an hour long brainwashing of why minorities are better than white people, why we should make sure we have undeniable proof that a black committed a crime before we arrest them, and sometimes the videos just tell us not to arrest minorities at all and just go after white people. Now, of course they don't word it like that in the video but that is the message they are sending to us.

9 out of 10 blacks you arrest will accuse you of racism and say that is the reason why you arrested them, never mind the fact they broke the law. And out of those 9, usually 5-7 of them will be let go by a liberal judge despite their crimes, because the judge believes their "BUT THE COP IS A RASIST!!!1" excuse.

The funny thing is, they will even cry racism when it's a BLACK COP that arrested them. Look at that thing down in NYC, that black guy that got shot by police on his wedding day. They are crying racism, and saying the NYPD are racists - DESPITE THE FACT THAT 3 of the 4 OFFICERS THAT SHOT HIM WERE BLACK THEMSELVES.

So it's a really scary thought when you consider that blacks make up only 13% of the population, but 65%+ of people in prison are black, and 1 out of 3 of all black males are in some form of the correctional system (maybe not necessarily prison). The numbers would be so much higher if they didn't claim racism and get off the hook for their crimes all the time.

All the races are not equal. Anyone who lives in a cesspool of multiculturalism and actually lives every day with the other races knows this. Africans are a primitive race with lesser IQ, this is an established fact and this shows on EVERY intelligence study ever conducted where the study noted the candidate's racial background. Usually the white liberals that think we are "all equal" and all "one color" live in a mostly-white neighborhood and have never seen a black person before, let alone had the dis-opportunity of interacting with one.



And it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that lesser intelligence = more crime and more primitive, uncivilized behavior. If mountain lions were as intelligent as humans and could talk to us, they wouldn't go around attacking us would they, and they wouldn't be dangerous.

My point is proved yet again.

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And if people are happy to go-on living like this, it wont be long before we lose all our rights.
I can believe it when you say you'd be fired, and that is totally wrong.
I recall a while ago somewhere in Africa when the Africans were going round ousting white folkes from their homes and farms, to ETHNIC CLEANSE their country.
Was they called racist for not wanting white people there, did people start threads slagging them off for what they were doing.
The answer"NO"
And yet we are slated for only thinking things.

what it does come down to is a commonality that people hate each other intrinsically and must learn to get along with different looking people then different ideological groups
i feel pretty good about not having a prejudice, (a prejudgement of someone i don't know) but i feel bad for allowing the media and current events to make me suspicious of everyone

I wouldn't pejudge muslims. but when they live in my neighbourhood and go around stabbing, and raping and drug dealing all the time(which over here they do)Ask anyone living in Leeds or Bradford. They live by their own rules. Cant drive to save their life, they have their own road rules.
Dont have any respect for the law.They're only British when they want to be. I challenge anyone to spend a month in Bradford, your opinion of them will soon change.
It's like a living plague.

I can believe it when you say you'd be fired, and that is totally wrong.

Would totally be fired. Especially now that I'm working for a federal department. In fact if I said my name or badge number on this site, the FBI would be investigating me in a heartbeat, they DO troll sites like this, and even some "racist forums" looking for officers that are racist or officers that show anti-government "libertarian" views.

As far as police being racist goes, I don't see how many can be. When we get hired, we go through a 6-month long background investigation. Part of it is a background packet that is 36 pages, with more than 500 questions asking us about every intimate detail of our life. We can't lie on it, because after we fill the packet out and it gets reviewed, we have to take a polygraph test (lie detector test) for them to be sure we answered truthfully on the packet.

Questions on the packet include everything you didn't want anyone to know. Things you would never tell anyone about yourself. Things you've done. Everyone has something they hide and would never tell anyone, but on the packet, you have to admit to it. One of the things I had to put on the packet was that I stole something from another kid in school when I was 8 years old. Yes, the packet is that detailed.

To get the the point, there are several "are you a racist" questions on the packet. If you are a "racist" that is an instant disqualifier and you won't be hired.

Fortunately, I wasn't a "racist" before I had this job so I was hired. Only after working every day with minorities, did I learn the truth of what they are really like.

And the packet and the polygraph are the tip of the iceberg and only the initial stages of the background investigation phase.

After the packet and the lie detector, comes the ACTUAL "investigation" part. They will call everyone you have ever known or ever talked to since you were born. They will ask them things about you. They will call your teachers, your family, your doctors, everyone. So you had better hope no one hates you and will lie and say something bad about you.

They also check federal "lists", like from the FBI, CIA, etc, etc. If you are on some sort of "watch list", any at all, that might also disqualify you. And you might be surprised how many people are on "watch lists" even though they've never done anything.


My point with all this is, the whole "cops are racist" thing is far from the truth, because a racist cannot be hired as an officer. An officer can BECOME a "racist", but it's not usual. In my case it was.

PS: I use the word "racist" in my post, but I mean "racially aware".

Originally posted by AgentStovkowski
All the races are not equal. Anyone who lives in a cesspool of multiculturalism and actually lives every day with the other races knows this. Africans are a primitive race with lesser IQ, this is an established fact and this shows on EVERY intelligence study ever conducted where the study noted the candidate's racial background.

I am not denying your statistics but I want to see how truthful you are willing to be. From these same intelligence studies, doesn't it also show that asians are more intelligent than whites? Asian top the charts with whites behind them right? If you agree with this then you are not racist and are actually only pointing out facts.

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Now to me that does not sound so much like a "Muslim" problem. Many Muslim countries have strict laws, and their citizens are very polite and civilized (not to mention if they are caught stealing or raping or stabbing they will get their hands/heads cut off). The U.S. has a fair amount of Muslims, many from Middle Eastern countries and they are surely not filling up our prisons. I suspect the issues you are seeing have more to do with race than religion or ethnicity. Perhaps you are a racist afterall. : )

Racist because i dont like what they do???
18 years ago my friend who was 14 at the time was stabbed through the throat by a gang of muslims, i watched his life ebb away,while waiting for an ambulance
Have they ever caught anyone?? (No)
Then in 1995 my ex girlfriends sister was murderd by her mums boyfriend who was a muslim, His name was Tariq rahmen, she was called rachel rooney. it happened in Bradford. He murderd her and the 7 year old boy she was baby sitting for. And he only got 8 years.
8 YEARS!!! WHERE'S THE ******* JUSTICE IN THAT.
If it had been a white guy, he'd have got life.
So dont accuse me of being racist when they made me this way.

Originally posted by WhatTheory

Originally posted by AgentStovkowski
All the races are not equal. Anyone who lives in a cesspool of multiculturalism and actually lives every day with the other races knows this. Africans are a primitive race with lesser IQ, this is an established fact and this shows on EVERY intelligence study ever conducted where the study noted the candidate's racial background.

I am not denying your statistics but I want to see how truthful you are willing to be. From these same intelligence studies, doesn't it also show that asians are more intelligent than whites? Asian top the charts with whites behind them right? If you agree with this then you are not racist and are actually only pointing out facts.

This is the truth, Asians are slightly higher on the intelligence charts than Whites. And also look at Asian cities, they have some pretty advanced technology and cities that are just as good as white cities. Note: This is EAST ASIANS we are talking about. The South Asian's aren't so intelligent and are pretty primitive as well, like from vietnam, cambodia, sri lanka, indonesia, etc. Japan, China, South Korea, etc are the Asians we are talking about.

You will also notice that Asians in America are also pretty civilized like whites, and do not commit many crimes. I'm fine with Asians being here, as they are productive members of society and not harmful to us.

But then look at Africa. What have they as a race accomplished? The ones that still live in Africa still live in mud huts, eat bugs and hunt things with spears. The only reason why blacks in America can do anything productive at all is because we WHITES introduced them to white society, white inventions, and white education.


The "BUT BLACK'S DONT GET GOOD EDUCATION!" or "BUT THEY ARE OPPRESSED!" or whatever excuse liberals come up with, just doesn't fly. Blacks have been on the earth longer than whites according to scientists, even liberal scientists, which means they have had more time as a race to advance and create a society for themselves, but no, they still live in the stone age. If they don't get the right education, why don't they CREATE the education? If they are oppressed, why don't they get the intelligence to FIGHT OFF their "oppressors" and stop being weak? It's because they can't. They are not capable of doing it.



yet in the short time, whites have been on earth, look at what we have accomplished. When we didn't have education, WE created education and educated ourselfs. When we were oppressed, we invented newer and better weapons to defend ourselves.

Sorry, all races are not equal. Just as all animals are not equal.

The food chain applies to everything, human races included.




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