Am I Racist

He states that he is untrusting towards them and is sick of the government letting them move over here.

How is that not a prejudice remark?

How do you think an immigrant feels when they are told this. Especially a refugee. You don't realise how lucky some of you people are in the country you live in.

If he does not want to discriminate these people why does he not take the 'initiative' to understand who these people are? It's not hard to say hello? I often do it at work or at uni. It is really an eye opener sometimes learning about different cultures. Maybe you should travel? I doubt you do it with this kind of attitude.

He already lives in a culture that has a high incidence of casual violence, so he's already got a good chance of being killed on the street. But he thinks he should be worried also about suicide bombers maybe thats irrational but it's still valid.

How often does a bombing occur in england compared to a stabbing, murder, violence?

Remember the IRA? Were you prejudice against the irish folk like you are now?

Do you think you've gone a bit too far, he's asking if he's racist because he feels he can't trust them, it's not about whether he's a racist because he doesn't like their skin colour, he doesn't want to discriminate he's just wary of people.

Do you not understand that it is fear and distrust that can lead to discrimination and violence in a community.

And we've lived with them for 30 years+ and no real problems. No his fear is about being blown up when they become radicalised, not whether his mom is going to run off with a black guy.

I'm not talking about 30 years, I can't believe you even said that. i'm talking about the way you have treated them since shipping them off from africa as slaves to another country.

What he doesn't understand is 'they ghetto-ize themselves, don't speak the language and have an innate distrust themselves of white people'(there racist). So the media and government have the same message then don't trust muslims from what you say, I don't think thats true.
I think your missing the subtlety involved and in truth he's not being that subtle, lets try not to throw the word racism around like it's a fad, let's give him the benefit of the doubt and let's not be so quick to judge.

And why do they ghetto-ize themselves? Time and time again they do this to protect themselves from the racial and discrimination onslaught of people like you who can't see them as a human beings but on a prejudice belief as the enemy.

How hard do you think it would be for you moving to a country where the primary language is not english and you are forced to speak a foreign language that you do not understand. Also the fact the fact that a lot of these are refugees

reply to post by carslake


Thankyou, they should read the OP like you said

He states that he is untrusting towards them and is sick of the government letting them move over here.

How is that not a prejudice remark?

Ofcourse it’s prejudicial, why are you surprised at that, if you back people into a corner ofcourse they have resentment why shouldn’t they. You don’t live in a world where everything is just and fair, it’s not like that. Don’t ask people who don’t have anything to have principals your asking to get beaten and it’s the same the world over look at what’s happening in South Africa right now.
Were highly suspicious of the government and it’s motive behind immigration. We know the reasons for it, there is no shortage in the labour force, what there is a shortage of is cheap labour. Immigration in the U.K. is being driven by one entity the Confederation British Industry it’s wage-gouging at it’s extreme.

How do you think an immigrant feels when they are told this. Especially a refugee. You don't realise how lucky some of you people are in the country you live in.

Seriously who gives a # what an immigrant thinks he has no loyalty to us. Were struggling to maintain our standard of living and there being used as a tool to batter us down with and we’ve got people like you telling us were a set of #’s, in truth we haven’t got anything to give. What’s half of nothing the answer is nothing. Only thing we’ve got to be fortunate for is free education and free health care, but in 10 years time we won’t have free health care, corporatism is already making inroads into that cash cow. And there’s 4 billion people in the third world, I think they should all get free education and health care, tell me how do we do it? Or are they all moving to England.
Refugees eh, or is it economic refugee. Those who have been displaced by war or their life is in danger should be given refugee status. I think you need to understand why some countries are and remain poor here let me help you the GATT, fair trade, farm subsidies, import tariffs, market manipulation, manipulation of the monetary system, recycling petro-dollars, profiteering, exploitation, corruption, power with no responsibility etc, etc………

If he does not want to discriminate these people why does he not take the 'initiative' to understand who these people are? It's not hard to say hello? I often do it at work or at uni.

Takes two to tango m8, we’ll meet half way and then we can integrate you into our culture, but somebody is out there telling them whitey is a bastard.

It is really an eye opener sometimes learning about different cultures. Maybe you should travel? I doubt you do it with this kind of attitude.

Don’t patronize me kid!! I've been to places you'll never go.(edit angry but damn thats arrogant kicks himself )
We have a large Afro-carribbean community and asian and south asian community, we get along fine most of the time.

How often does a bombing occur in england compared to a stabbing, murder, violence?
Remember the IRA? Were you prejudice against the irish folk like you are now?

Oh FFS!! Your almost as culturally aware as the IrishAmericans where did you get your insight from TIME magazine LOL!!. From the top one more time but certainly not the last. The English especially the Northern English are a mix of ethnicities, which are Irish, Scots and mainly English. I am part Irish I have loyalties to both and care for them in equal measure, anyone who wants to come down my neck of the woods and starts trying to divide us gets dropped on their head repeatedly. It’s because they usually understand nothing of the dynamic involved and we haven’t got the time or inclination to explain to one-dimensional retards.

Do you not understand that it is fear and distrust that can lead to discrimination and violence in a community.

Yes thanks I do understand, understanding doesn’t stop it from happening though does it.

I'm not talking about 30 years, I can't believe you even said that. i'm talking about the way you have treated them since shipping them off from africa as slaves to another country.

Your not talking about 30 years.

You can’t believe I said that.

Your on about the way ‘I’ have treated them when ‘I’ shipped them off.

I was going to ignore this as you are obviously not sure what your on about. But I won’t, because I think it’s important to understand how some people are discerning and some people aren’t.

The OP stated racism and questioned the trust involved with immigrants that are of the muslim faith. Now obviously there’s a contradiction in logic with the terms used, however we understand what he’s getting at so there’s no need to state the #'in obvious. But wait a moment and let me state the #'in obvious to you, who mentioned people of African descent.
Okay you throw some crap it doesn’t stick so you take another position and throw some more crap, do you have an agenda against white people, is it just you don’t like whitey.
You want to find the slave owners then look to the colonies that’s where the plantations were. Slavery was abolished in 1809 in the British empire and theres no history of plantation or slave ownership in the British working class more so those that remained in the old world. Allthough we did serve in the Navy, Army and Marines and we were used as a tool in empire building and the general exploitation, like we are today we get a ‘glorious’ death with no profit share from the commercial enterprise. Actually maybe I should ask my dad what he did with all the loot.



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And why do they ghetto-ize themselves? Time and time again they do this to protect themselves from the racial and discrimination onslaught of people like you who can't see them as a human beings but on a prejudice belief as the enemy.

They ghetto-ize themselves because there poor people who have no education, no knowledge of the language, because there a little bit scared of whitey because people like you have a partial and a distorted view of the world. Which in truth is pure vitriol and you’d like to share it with anybody who’ll listen. Go on make a stand on the moral high ground dispensing your so called wisdom, in truth your stood on a pile of crap of your own making while you fashion a rod for your own back. Stop throwing the word racism around and the accusation, it’s getting to the point it doesn’t mean anything anymore and that truly is dangerous.

How hard do you think it would be for you moving to a country where the primary language is not english and you are forced to speak a foreign language that you do not understand. Also the fact the fact that a lot of these are refugees

Well if I was speaking a foreign language that I didn’t understand, I would well and truly be #ed wouldn’t I. At least it ended with a laugh that’s the most nonsensical crap I’ve heard in the last few days.

Are any of these racist? One could argue they are all simply bias against politicians and those affiliated...

First it was Obama...


Then it was his wife...


But were They really first in the latest years of this kind of thing?


My alteration to Hals'...


And this very scary one...


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reply to post by orby1976



All I see your post as is ignorance, not trying to be offensive of course , it's simply that people fear the unknown.

I am a muslim, what did I do on july of those bombings? I phoned up everyone I knew because I was worried about them! My brother was taking a train to edgware road, luckily he didn't run into any bombs.

What did other muslims I talked to think? They were sad, they were shocked, they reacted just like everyone else. These terrorists have killed more muslims than anyone else! So of course we are also scared for ourselves and our families, just like normal people.

Also you have nothing to fear! If these terrorists were really a threat, you would hear about "successful" bombings every week! you have bigger chance of dying by our very own goverment, (pills etc) or dying in a car crash or getting stabbed by chavs lol.

Peace.












[edit on 25-5-2008 by _Phoenix_]

Seriously who gives a # what an immigrant thinks he has no loyalty to us.

Enough said.

Although I do understand your viewpoint I don't agree at all. Not every Muslim is a terrorist and not every terrorist is a Muslim.

And even if you happened to have some kind of radical Islamic terrorist cell living next door to you do you honestly think your in danger? Are they going to suicide bomb your house? I think you'll be fine.

Originally posted by orby1976

I live in Leeds not too far from Beeston where the july 7 bombers came from. This for me is very worrying indeed. This is on my doorstep.

And of course, you also live in a city, with murderers, rapists, child molesters, ect etc on your doorstep!

Which of course happens WAY more often than any terrorist attack in leeds, wait has there ever been one in leeds!? You should definitely worry more about those other things lol.

reply to post by orby1976


You strike me as more of a racialist than a racist.

While you acknowledge that the majority of any race or religion is peaceful, you notice the overall trends surrounding the issue of terrorism.

You make no bones of it, by seeing that the terrorists are indeed islamic. This is fact, it is not conjured from thin air. However what you must do is not judge people based on where they come from... I would hope that you would treat a person as any other.

I do understand your position. I mean, when was the last time this country was attacked by buddhist terrorists? We may acknowledge that some religions have become more radicalised than others. This is not racist in my opinion, it is factual.

Are you racist? No.
Are you islamophobic? Yes. But then as am I in some cases.

The best course of action in my opinion is to just get on with life. Do not succumb to terror, because then the terrorists will have won. Do not begin hating all muslims for the actions of the few, because then more will join the radical cause. Beat the terrorists by showing compassion in equal dose to them showing hatred. Make your country into a shining example so that they may not refute your method of governance or your way of life.

Originally posted by carslake
Seriously who gives a # what an immigrant thinks he has no loyalty to us.

I am an immigrant to this country and you damn well better believe I am more loyal to this crown and country than the majority of native British people.

No offence to you my native countryman, but most of you dont really realise what a brilliant country you have here. You dont stand up for it, and you dont appreciate it.

But you know what, I do. When I became a subject of this nation I swore an oath to Her Majesty and the state of Great Britain.

And you have the audacity to tell me I have no loyalty to this country? **** you, quite frankly. **** you.

You are NOT a racist because:

How can you be racist against a religion?

Muslim is a religion and not a race of people so don't worry about it, you are not a racist.

edit: argumentitave. i should know better.

[edit on 5/25/0808 by spines]

Originally posted by orby1976


I live in Leeds not too far from Beeston where the july 7 bombers came from. This for me is very worrying indeed. This is on my doorstep.

A terrorist attack could happen anywhere I suppose. If the area that you live in bothers you because of a certain type of people, then maybe you should move.

But really, would you feel any safer anywhere else?

I do think you are racially profiling, which is being racist.

Originally posted by Zanzibar
I'm sure that some did cheer when the Towers came down, but then again, I imagine people from every religion probably would have.

I'm pretty sure it was the Israelis who were caught cheering and having a photo shoot.


And to the OP. YES YOU ARE RACIST. Again, I will explain the difference between racism and stereotyping.

Stereotype: All Indians own gas stations.
Racism: You are Indian, therefore you own a gas station.
Stereotype: All Muslims are terrorists.
Racism: You are a Muslim, therefore you are a terrorist.

Because there are Muslims now in your neighborhood or whatever, you are fearing that they are terrorists, based upon a stereotype. What's more is that you have applied the stereotype as truth, and believe that because they are Muslim, then they must be terrorists. That is racism.

And to whoever it was that says Racism is opposed to Patriotism. That is wrong. Racism fuels Patriotism. Hell, Jingoism even. The entire Afghanistan/Iraq war has been pretty much based upon racism. The Islamic faith has been painted as evil and Muslims are portrayed as ominous and treacherous in movies for past 50 years.

While you're busy keeping an eye on them A-rabs, how do you know that white guy down the street won't give you blankets full of smallpox? Or force you to work in a Malaysian sweatshop? (stereotypes)


You might be a racist if...
you still use the word "race" in a context that does not involve speed and agility.

I am glad I come from multiple races, and by definition couldn't possibly be racist. I would only be hating myself. Can anyone here name a major difference between races other than the pigment of ones skin? It is simply reflected light. Look at earth from afar, and we all appear as a dot, 1 dot.

I travel to England and Ireland alot, and I have to say, I think there busing in paki's and other muslims to devalue your money. I constantly have to deal with them when i buy things in convenient stores there, and god forbid if i need directions, they don't speak English and they smell, terribly, and it isn't that usual European smell either. They live on welfare and get more money then an honest Englishman working a not so glamorous job, so what is there motivation to work? They form there own communities of shabby housing and speak there own language, they have no interest of assimilating like true immigrants should. The fact is the more they bus in the more taxed you will be and the less money you have, same as here in America, and everywhere else where there paying immigrants and other lazy trash to sit on there butt and waste money from the system. Immigration should be completely closed off and incredibly selective in every country, only taking the best and leaving the garbage behind. Borders should also be enforced by force and monitored. Your also not racist, considering most stereotypes are completely true, but admitting truth makes you "racist" under the new system. The fact is your country will continue to bus people in for whatever big plan they have set up next, which is going to be a doosy considering the trouble there going through.

Originally posted by Freezer
Look at earth from afar, and we all appear as a dot, 1 dot.

Not these guys, they see planets as a threat! I don't feel comfortable around you and your ways, I'll destroy your planet! for freedom!
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[edit on 25-5-2008 by _Phoenix_]

reply to post by Ruggeder


Sounds a bit racist to me.....

Originally posted by Ruggeder

I travel to England and Ireland alot, and I have to say, I think there busing in paki's and other muslims to devalue your money. I constantly have to deal with them when i buy things in convenient stores there, and god forbid if i need directions, they don't speak English and they smell, terribly, and it isn't that usual European smell either. They live on welfare and get more money then an honest Englishman working a not so glamorous job, so what is there motivation to work?

If they are all on welfare, how can it be that you have to deal with them in when you are in convenient stores? Sounds like some of them must be working to support themselves and their famililes. Some must be motivated if that is who you run into at conveniet stores.

Do you contraindict yourself often?

Also, what is a usual European smell? Does America have a particular scent, or Canada? How about Mexico?

You, are appear to be more racist than anything I have read or heard for a long time!

You asked, "Am I Racist," but the only one who really knows the answer to that question is you, so the person you should be asking is yourself.

You might think or say something like:

"I don't like black people because they wear red shoes."
"I don't like Chinese people because they wear blue hats."
"I don't like white people because they wear pink shirts."
"I don't like Muslims because they eat peas."

But you already know not all black people wear red shoes, just like not all Chinese people wear blue hats, not all white people wear pink shirts and not all Muslims eat peas.

You may not like or feel comfortable around people who wear red shoes, blue hats, pink shirts or who eat peas, in the same way that you obviously don't feel comfortable with certain people moving into your country - you may feel threatened for your own reasons, which may be difficult for you to understand or even comprehend, but your feelings are real and I think there are a lot of people who feel the same way - but who don't talk about their anxieties, worry and/or anger because they're afraid of repercussions; they might be worried about what others might think of them.

Kudos to you for having the courage to be honest about your feelings.

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[edit on 25-5-2008 by Artista]