Why are Atheists...Atheists?

reply to post by weedwhacker



Ok I mentioned two pathologies did I not? So your not like Mr Hitchens who has a fatal condition of atheism... then I bet you migght fall in to ctaegory 2. Go back and look. 2 possiblities . Not an accusation a question. So if the answer is yes ask yourself why did a stranger know just from astheism. Because as a trained atheologist I have studied this disease.

reply to post by Reverend SamuelTophatJack


Oh dear!!! RS Top that!!! I just had to mention.....I have met so many more devoutly religious homosexuals than atheist homosexuals!!!!

Your charaterizations are overtly bigoted. Your mindset seems stuck....and whle not sure what religion you subscribe to, but if it's christian, then you are not following that particular 'faith' very well, it seems.

I fervently hope you will give this a lot more thought....do you know the hackneyed acronym, "WWJD"???

reply to post by Reverend SamuelTophatJack


Atheism is a fatal condition??

By that logic, all of life is also a fatal condition!!

Islam is a fatal condition, if you happen to be a Sunni in a Shi'a neighborhood......

Mormanism was fatal, to many, before they fled in the 1800s.

See my point?

christianity used to be a 'fatal condition'.....had to throw that in, it's not unknown what happened when the 'heresy' of christ's followers was beginning....they had to be secretive, less they be killed.

reply to post by weedwhacker


Well I said it was not an accusation it was a question I guess your response is all the answere needed to verify my hypothesis. and I never said all homoswexiuals were atheists. i said all atheists have two predominant patholgies: genus hitchensism, genus liberaccism. The diagnostic manuals reflect this as well.

I prefer the term 'secular humanist', but it's immaterial. All religions are merely displays of foolishness. Here's 22 thoughts to keep you thinking. ;-)

1. The fact that a believer is happier than a sceptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a
sober one.
The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality. - George Bernard Shaw

2. Faith means not wanting to know what is true. - Friedrich Nietzsche

3. I believe in God, only I spell it Nature. - Frank Lloyd Wright

4. We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them
for his own mistakes. - Gene Roddenberry

5. To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and it remains premature today. - Isaac Asimov

6. A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for what he knows. - Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain)

7. Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. - Seneca the Younger

8. Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned. - Anonymous

9. Not only is there no god, but try getting a plumber on weekends. - Woody Allen

10. If I were not an atheist, I would believe in a God who would choose to save people on the basis of the totality of their lives
and not the pattern of their words. I think he would prefer an honest and righteous atheist to a TV preacher whose every word is God,
God, God, and whose every deed is foul, foul, foul. - Isaac Asimov

11. Belief in the supernatural reflects a failure of the imagination. - Edward Abbey

12. With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do
evil things, that takes religion. - Steven Weinberg

13. I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence. - Doug McLeod

14. The world holds two classes of men - intelligent men without religion, and religious men without intelligence. - Abu’l?Ala al Ma’arri

15. Since the Bible and the church are obviously mistaken in telling us where we came from, how can we trust them to tell us where we are
going? - Anonymous

16. I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.
- Susan B. Anthony

17. The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike. - Delos B. McKown

18. Two hands working can do more than a thousand clasped in prayer. - Anonymous

19. Atheism leaves a man to sense, to philosophy, to natural piety, to laws, to reputation; all of which may be guides to an outward moral
virtue, even if religion vanished; but religious superstition dismounts all these and erects an absolute monarchy in the minds of men.
- Francis Bacon

20. The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust,
unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal,
filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. - Richard Dawkins

21. A God who kept tinkering with the universe was absurd; a God who interfered with human freedom and creativity was tyrant.
If God is seen as a self in a world of his own, an ego that relates to a thought, a cause separate from its effect. he becomes a being,
not Being itself. An omnipotent, all?knowing tyrant is not so different from earthly dictators who make everything and everybody mere
cogs in the machine which they controlled. An atheism that rejects such a God is amply justified. - Karen Armstrong

22. It is not as in the Bible, that God created man in his own image. But, on the contrary, man created God in his own image.
- Ludwig Feuerbach

... and a few more just in case...;

23. People ask me what I think about that woman priest thing. What, a woman priest? Women priests. Great, great. Now there’s priests
of both sexes I don’t listen to. - Bill Hicks

24. All the biblical miracles will at last disappear with the progress of science. - Matthew Arnold

25. Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence. - Anonymous

26. Be thankful that you have a life, and forsake your vain and presumptuous desire for a second one. - Richard Dawkins

27. What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. - Christopher Hitchens

28. In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with reality at any point. - Friedrich Nietzsche

29. It will yet be the proud boast of women that they never contributed a line to the Bible. - George W. Foote

30. On the first day, man created God. - Anonymous

31. I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other
possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. - Stephen Roberts

32. You do not need the Bible to justify love, but no better tool has been invented to justify hate. - Richard A. Weatherwax

33. What’s “God”? Well, you know, when you want something really bad and you close your eyes and you wish for it? God’s the guy that ignores you. - Steve Buscemi (From the movie “The Island”)

34. As far as I can tell from studying the scriptures, all you do in heaven is pretty much just sit around all day and praise the Lord.
I don’t know about you, but I think that after the first, oh, I don’t know, 50,000,000 years of that I’d start to get a little bored.
- Rick Reynolds

35. Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime; give a man religion and he will die
praying for a fish. - Anonymous

36. Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color. - Don Hirschberg

37. God should be executed for crimes against humanity. - Bryan Emmanuel Gutierrez

38. To say that atheism requires faith is as dim-witted as saying that disbelief in pixies or leprechauns takes faith. Even if Einstein
himself told me there was an elf on my shoulder, I would still ask for proof and I wouldn’t be wrong to ask. - Geoff Mather

39. I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest
inconvenience from it. - Mark Twain

40. Of all religions the Christian is without doubt the one which should inspire tolerance most, although up to now the Christians have
been the most intolerant of all men. - Voltaire

41. And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt
His existence. - Bertrand Russell

42. Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? - Epicurus

43. I’m a polyatheist - there are many gods I don’t believe in. - Dan Fouts

44. If it turns out that there is a God, I don’t think that he’s evil. But the worst that you can say about him is that basically he’s an
underachiever. - Woody Allen

45. A lie is a lie even if everyone believes it. The truth is the truth even if nobody believes it. - David Stevens

46. Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream up a God superior to themselves. Most Gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child.
- Robert A Heinlein

47. I refuse to prove that I exist,” says God, “for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing. - Douglas Adams

48. It ain’t the parts of the Bible that I can’t understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand. - Mark Twain

reply to post by Reverend SamuelTophatJack


LOL!!!!!!!

"genus hitchenism" ???? Did I spell that correctly??

Honestly, please, now, provide a reference to this 'genus'.....LOL!!!!

A genus (plural genera, sometimes 'genuses') refers to a low-level taxonomic rank in classifying organisms....and no, that DOES NOT imply that Mr. Hitchens is a sort of low-level organism, because I expect you to go there!! LOL!

Organism rankings: Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus, Species.


We humans, for instance, all fall into the category of the 'mammal' genus.

Certainly hope you don't wish to argue that fact. But making up a 'genus' based on a person's name? We'll let our intelligent ATS readers judge for themselves.

(hint....I will inject a new one....genus hiltonis) As in Paris Hilton...not the brightest bulb on the shelf.....

reply to post by Reverend SamuelTophatJack


I really, really hope you are joking. If not, then you are so, so, so deluded. I was raised in the Christian church, know the bible like the back of my hand, and also work with the mentally unwell. And guess what - I don't believe in God. That is the logical choice at which I arrived after many years of education and research. Please tell me this is a joke. Also, your spelling and grammar make you appear uneducated, so it's probably in your best interest to not try and convert anyone to your religion via typing.

reply to post by wreckage


Oh, isn't this fun! I love quotes, and bravo on yours! Here are just a few showing the otherside!

Of course all quotes are only as valuable as the person's stance will allow them!

"It's better to live as though there were a God and find out there isn't one, than the other way around!" - Einstein


"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings. A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty.." - Einstein

“I have known a lot of atheists, but I’ve never known a happy one!” - Dolly Parton

"Only a person of deep faith can afford the luxury of skepticism." - Friedrich Nietzche

"I believe that there are parts to human nature that cannot be reached by either legislation or education, but require the power of God to deal with." - Stephen R. Covey

"I shut my eyes in order to see." - Paul Gauguin

"Why indeed must "God" be a noun? Why not a verb...the most active and dynamic of all?" - Mary Daly

"In the brush doing what it's doing, it will stumble on what one couldn't do by oneself." - Robert Motherwell

"God must become an activity in our consciousness. " - Joel S. Goldsmith

"Go confidently in the direction of your dreams! Live the life you've imagined. As you simplify your life, the laws of the universe will be simpler." - Henry David Thoreau

"The universe will reward you for taking risks on its behalf." - Shakti Gawain

"It is within my power either to serve God or not to serve him. Serving him, I add to my own good and the good of the whole world. Not serving him, I forfeit my own good and deprive the world of that good, which was in my power to create." - Leo Tolstoy

"The devil is always good to beginners." - Auld Scottish Proverb

"The proverb says that providence protects children and idiots. I know it because I have tested it." - Mark Twain

"Providence always makes it a point to find out what you are after, so as to see that you don't get it." - Mark Twain

"All good things arrive to them that wait - and don't die in the meantime." - Mark Twain

"There is only one Jesus Christ. The rest is but a dispute over trifles." - Queen Elizabeth I

"Good people stop evil and promote virtue, obeying Heaven and accepting its order." - Confucius

"If people have no faith, I don't know what they are good for. Can a vehicle travel without a link to a source of power?" - Confucius

"Those who have offended Heaven haven't a prayer." - Confucius

"Good Lord, what is man? For as simple he looks, do but try to develop his hooks and his crooks, with his depths and his shallows, his good and his evil, all in all, he's a problem must puzzle the devil," - Robert Burns

"The prince of darkness is a gentleman." - William Shakespeare

"The world is a kind of spiritual kindergarten where million of bewildered infants are trying to spell God with the wrong blocks." - Edwin Robinson

"If you dine with the devil bring along a spoon." - Machiavelli

"We have grown in numbers, wealth, and power as no other nation has ever grown. But we have forgotten God...Intoxicated with unbroken success, we have become too self-sufficient to feel the necessity of redeeming and preserving grace, too proud to pray to the God that made us!" - President Lincoln in 1863 Proclamation

"The atheist is a curiosity. The very fact that a man say, "I don't believe in God, shows that he does. Where does he get his conception of the God he denies? The only real atheist is the man who never heard of God." - The Old Tyler

"But a man's reach must exceed his grasp, or what's a heaven for?" - Elizabeth Barrett Browning

"I just take dictation." - Ernest Hemingway

"The primary imagination I hold to be the living power." - Samuel Taylor Coleridge

"I myself do nothing. The holy spirit accomplishes all through me." - William Blake

"The position of the artist is humble. He is essentially a channel." - Piet Mondrian

"The music of this opera (Madame Butterfly) was dictated to me by God: I was merely instrumental in putting it on paper and communicating it to the public." - Giacomo Puccini

"Straightaway the ideas flow in upon me, directly from God." - Johannes Brahms

"We must accept that this creative pulse within us is God's creative pulse itself." - Joesph Chilton Pearce

"I paint not by sight but by faith. Faith gives you sight." - Amos Ferguson

"We are not necessarily doubting that God will do the best for us; we are wondering how painful the best will turn out to be." - C. S. Lewis

"There is only one good definition of God; the freedom that allows other freedoms to exist." - John Fowles "The French Lieutenants Woman"

"We make our destinies by our choice of Gods." - Virgil

"God make me the person that my dog thinks I am!" - LOL!

"The Gods have their own rules." - Ovid

And here is a sad consequence regarding Darwin:

(In the course of reducing the mystery of nature to a set of mechanical laws, Charles Darwin suffered greatly.)

"I cannot endure to read a line of poetry (he mourned in his journal). I have tried to read Shakespeare, and found it so intolerably dull that it nauseated me. I have almost lost my taste for pictures and music. I lament this curious loss of my higher aesthetic tastes...My mind seems to have become a machine for grinding general laws, out of larger collections of facts, but why this should have caused the atrophy of that part of the brain alone, on which the higher tastes depend, I cannot conceive." - Rob Brezney on Darwin

Perhaps this next quote could be applied to Darwin:

"And those who were seen dancing were thought insane by those who could not hear the music." - Friedrich Nietzsche





[edit on 1-6-2008 by MatrixProphet]

Originally posted by Reverend SamuelTophatJack
reply to post by weedwhacker

 

Ok I mentioned two pathologies did I not? So your not like Mr Hitchens who has a fatal condition of atheism... then I bet you migght fall in to ctaegory 2. Go back and look. 2 possiblities . Not an accusation a question. So if the answer is yes ask yourself why did a stranger know just from astheism. Because as a trained atheologist I have studied this disease.

Rev,, umm with all due respect, umm are you dyslexic or do you just want to have us think WE are whenever we "try" to read your posts.

I don't mean to insult you as I have been skooled on the memeplex virus for hating Christians called Autism which when exascerbated in debates against them becomes Atheism but I thought it was a misnomer.

- Con

reply to post by Conspiriology


OK.....now I am confused, Con

your use of the word 'skooled', then a mention of a 'memplex virus' that causes Autism, and thus, if I read what you wrote correctly, a 'hatred' of Christians?

Did I understand your post correctly?

The 'memplex virus' causes Autism, and that Autism manifests as a 'hatred' for a particular religion??

Whew! What a relief!! I don't have Autism!!! Because, since I don't hate Christianity, then I do not have Autism!!!

I feel much better knowing this. Because, while I don't 'hate' christianity, I do happen to disagree....not with the principles....the life-affirming humnistic principles of christianity, I just happen to have noticed how weak humans have 'corrupted' the 'message' of so long ago, to greedy and needy ends.

So, Christianity, if properly practiced, is a sound philosphy....not to be hated. When it is mis-used, then the mis-use needs to be pointed out. It is not the philosphy, it is the person using it in the wrong way.....for persoanl gain, whether it be monetary or power over others; it is wrong to be mis-used, and it is wrong to not speak up when we see it happening.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by Conspiriology

 

OK.....now I am confused, Con

your use of the word 'skooled', then a mention of a 'memplex virus' that causes Autism, and thus, if I read what you wrote correctly, a 'hatred' of Christians?

Did I understand your post correctly?

The 'memplex virus' causes Autism, and that Autism manifests as a 'hatred' for a particular religion??

Whew! What a relief!! I don't have Autism!!! Because, since I don't hate Christianity, then I do not have Autism!!!

I feel much better knowing this. Because, while I don't 'hate' christianity, I do happen to disagree....not with the principles....the life-affirming humnistic principles of christianity, I just happen to have noticed how weak humans have 'corrupted' the 'message' of so long ago, to greedy and needy ends.

So, Christianity, if properly practiced, is a sound philosphy....not to be hated. When it is mis-used, then the mis-use needs to be pointed out. It is not the philosphy, it is the person using it in the wrong way.....for persoanl gain, whether it be monetary or power over others; it is wrong to be mis-used, and it is wrong to not speak up when we see it happening.

So you must have that dyslexia from reading the Rev's post.

mmmm

pity

- Con












[edit on 2-6-2008 by Conspiriology]

reply to post by Conspiriology


Con.....

You are certainly not helping yourself here.

I thought I saw you tell another ATS member that what they posted made no sense.

Then, I offered an 'olive branch' to you, a proclaimed christian.....you pulled my whole freakin' quote!!

But, you decided to call me 'dyslexic'??

I think we need a credibility check......anyone??

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by Conspiriology

 

Con.....

You are certainly not helping yourself here.

I thought I saw you tell another ATS member that what they posted made no sense.

Then, I offered an 'olive branch' to you, a proclaimed christian.....you pulled my whole freakin' quote!!

But, you decided to call me 'dyslexic'??

I think we need a credibility check......anyone??

Not helping myself AH HA HA I am crackin myself up watching you!

LOL you are killin me weed HA HA HA. Olive Branch my butt! What you have offered me is the same thing I see you have done to ashley by you and several others in your clique. I want to sit here and post and ten mins later edit my post and wait ten mins and edit it again just to watch you jump for joy that you have something to belittle.

HA HA CON you pulled my whole freakin' quote!!! HA HA That was precious weed.

If I could give you an oscar for that performance I would.

- Con
PS: Ash, I guess I owe you five bucks lol



[edit on 2-6-2008 by Conspiriology]

reply to post by Conspiriology


Very typical, and poignant as well, Con.

Ash has not communicated to me, about these recent posts.

In fact, I think YOU are acting childishly. Or just not fully reading what I have posted.

I will let the adults judge.

reply to post by weedwhacker


Con's not the most mature person to have an intelligent discussion with. He's yet to get the mature and logical part down. He appears overly defensive and hyper ready to laugh at and attempt to annihilate any poster replying to him.

reply to post by MatrixProphet


Too bad that none of those posts are logical.

Einstein, as proclaimed by himself, believed God to not be the God of Bibles by the end of his life, but rather the universe itself.

Einstein made many contradictive statements pertaining to God throughout his life, he struggled with that issue. There are quotes of him denying God, and quotes of him accepting God, so his quotes about God are irrelevent unless his stance on God is understood.

"The atheist is a curiosity. The very fact that a man say, "I don't believe in God, shows that he does. Where does he get his conception of the God he denies? The only real atheist is the man who never heard of God." - The Old Tyler

This guy is dumb. I mean... I could once again post the definition of Athiest, but I'd rather not waste my time, you neither care to read it, nor care to understand it. An athiest gets the concept of God from religion. I guess according to this logic: the only realy Christian is the man who never heard of any other religion and of any athiest.

Saying that "I don't believe in God" merely suggests that one understands the idea.

Such can be implied to dimensions. One can theorize 1 and 2 dimensional objects, though they don't exist.

But, I'm speaking to a sub species of Human, so what's the point? You'll probably reply with more meaningless and illogical jibberish.

[edit on 2-6-2008 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]

reply to post by MatrixProphet


My post wasn't directed at you or going against you... Nor did I make any assumptions about you. I have already read all of your threads and enjoyed every one of them. Keep them coming.

Thank you so much.

Atheism Treatment

RSTHJTC

I am a Messianic Jew missionary faith healer and atheologist. Atheology is the study and treament of the eternally fatal chronic disease of atheism.
I am a founding partner in an atheism treatment center located in Port Elizabeth, South Africa.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
reply to post by weedwhacker

 

Con's not the most mature person to have an intelligent discussion with. He's yet to get the mature and logical part down. He appears overly defensive and hyper ready to laugh at and attempt to annihilate any poster replying to him.

HA HA Oh looky! Now the whole universe is talking about me lol

will the jealousy never end.

- Con