The conspiracy against God

I feel the need to post this before I get banned.

God created you, God can destroy you.

Jesus said, Love God first, then love your neighbor.

It all started with a group called the Ophites.

The name, or word, was derived from the Greek ophis, meaning "serpent, and relates to the great reverence which the Ophites had toward the serpent. The members progressed through full-fledged initiation ceremonies that included symbols for purity, life, spirit and fire. The entire system of the sect appears to be a combination of the mysteries of the Egyptian goddess Isis, concepts of oriental mythology, and early Christian doctrine.

www.themystica.com...

Sounds a lot like freemasonry, doesn't it?

According to the theologians Origen, Irenaeus and others, the essence of the Ophitic Doctrine was that the God of the Old Testament was a misanthropic deity from whose power mankind had to be liberated. From this point of view the serpent in the Garden of Eden was a benefactor to mankind when he urged Adam and Eve to revolt against such a God.

Glancing rapidly at the Ophites and Nazareans, we shall pass to their scions which yet exist in Syria and Palestine, under the name of Druzes of Mount Lebanon; and near Basra or Bassorah, in Persia, under that of Mendæans, or Disciples of St. John.
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Noticing these numerous secret societies of the past, we will bring them into direct comparison with several of the modern. We will conclude with a brief survey of the Jesuits, and of that venerable nightmare of the Roman Catholic Church -- modern Freemasonry.
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This curious people, numbering 30,000 or more, are miscalled "Christians of St. John," but in fact should be known by their old name of Nazareans, or their new one of Mendæans.

To term them Christians, is wholly unwarranted. They neither believe in Jesus as Christ, nor accept his atonement, nor adhere to his Church, nor revere its "Holy Scriptures." Neither do they worship the Jehovah-God of the Jews and Christians, a circumstance which of course proves that their founder, John the Baptist, did not worship him either.
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From this region of unfathomable Depth, issues forth a circle formed of spirals; which, in the language of symbolism, means a grand cycle, composed of smaller ones. Coiled within, so as to follow the spirals, lies the serpent -- emblem of wisdom and eternity -- the Dual Androgyne: the cycle representing Ennoia or the Divine mind, and the Serpent -- the Agathodaimon, Ophis -- the Shadow of the Light. Both were the Logoï of the Ophites; or the unity as Logos manifesting itself as a double principle of good and evil; for, according to their views, these two principles are immutable, and existed from all eternity, as they will ever continue to exist.

This symbol accounts for the adoration by this sect of the Serpent, as the Saviour, coiled either around the Sacramental loaf or a Tau.

www.blavatsky.net...

A Riddle from the East

"The serpent has seven daughters

The first one is asleep as if petrified – she does not see anything

The second one is deeply asleep – she sees multicoloured mists before her eyes

The third one sees dreams and images from afar

The fourth one sees everything around her

The fifth one sees the souls

The sixth one sees the gods

The seventh one sees the sun

The serpent has seven daughters"
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Through Jesus, the universal teachings of wisdom also state: ‘Be wise as serpents.’ To truly understand this, we must raise ourselves above the dusty, earthly point of view. Behind the words from the Bible, both the Old and the New Testament, the true knowledge of ‘the human fall’ is hidden. It is unveiled for the human being who is found on the path to his original fatherland. On this path, he experiences that the symbol of the serpent can also have another meaning.

How and when were these truths, hidden in symbols, planted in our inner being? To approach this mystery, we must realise that all visible energy consists of vibrations. The primordial serpent from long before the familiar mysteries (see the image of the serpent that winds around the Tau symbol) -- initially symbolising the purest energy -- has degenerated to a being that binds the human being to the world of matter

www.goldenrosycross.org.au...


www.tracyrtwyman.com...

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

The experiments with Liber CCXXXI began in April of 2003ev, six months after taking the Neophyte Oath. Once acquainted with the literal contents of this oft-times ignored Holy Book, oddities in the comparison chart are noticed. At first appearance, it seems the chart suggests a comparison to be made between the House of the Serpent and the House of the Qliphoth. The comparisons would then be made as follows:

www.thelemicgnosticism.org...

Now we all know Aleister Crowley (freemason) wrote the Liber-Al, which is
the book the excerpt is referring to.

Who is the House of the Qliphoth?

Qliphoth is the "Basin of Shells" which in the Kabalist's scheme is located beneath the Tree of Life. It is where the incomplete or discarded forms fall, when they are found unsuitable to be a part of Creation. It is not so much hell as a Divine Scrap heap, a collection of the shards of futility or the clippings of possibility.

everything2.com...

Who are the Kabalist's? (more commonly spelled Kabbalist)

kabbalah or cabala (both: kăb`ələ) [Heb.,=reception], esoteric system of interpretation of the Scriptures based upon a tradition claimed to have been handed down orally from Abraham. Despite that claimed antiquity, the system appears to have been given its earliest formulation in the 11th cent. in France, and from there spread most notably to Spain. There were undoubtedly precedents, however; kabbalistic elements are discernible in the literature of earlier Merkavah mysticism (fl. after c.A.D. 100) inspired by the vision of the chariot-throne ("merkavah") in the Book of Ezekiel.

encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com...



Let the spiritual battle begin

May 22, 2008
The Power of 22

[edit on 22-5-2008 by cutbothways]

I think theres still a couple non-christian religions left which you forgot to bash.

Honestly, christianity is the largest religion on earth. I don't think that it is in danger of being smothered out by conspiracy any time soon......

Now, the Masons claim that Hiram Abiff is the builder of the Solomons Temple, and that is who they get their "inspiration from"

The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasonry, and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus (ISBN 0-099-69941-9) is a book by Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas. The authors, both Masons, present a theory of the origins of Freemasonry along with "the true story" of Jesus Christ and the original Jerusalem Church.
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The authors begin by quoting Henry Ford, who was a Mason, saying "all history is bunk". They express the belief that, though Ford's statement may be abrupt, it is accurate, as history is often not a completely accurate and comprehensive account of facts, but only what the victor in any given situation has recorded for posterity.

They argue in the book that the foundations of the Christian religion are a distortion by the early Roman Catholic Church of the teachings of the real Jesus and his followers. They claim to have found in Masonry a new key to unlock the secrets of civilization. This key is also the key to the origins of Christianity and, they assert, proves that many of the beliefs of modern Christianity are erroneous.
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A common theory is that Freemasonry evolved out of guilds of stonemasons. Masonic ritual claims that the one of the first Freemasons was Hiram Abiff, a widow's son from the tribe of Naphtali, who built King Solomon's Temple.

en.wikipedia.org...

The authors believe that Jesus's ultra-Jewish sect, the Jerusalem Church, operated some kind of "quasi-Masonic" initiation ceremonies and say that Jesus was thus, in some sense of the term, a Mason.

The funny thing (or not so funny) is that Hiram wasn't even a mason. Who worked with brass

Kings 7
13And king Solomon sent and fetched Hiram out of Tyre.

14He was a widow's son of the tribe of Naphtali, and his father was a man of Tyre, a worker in brass: and he was filled with wisdom, and understanding, and cunning to work all works in brass. And he came to king Solomon, and wrought all his work.

15For he cast two pillars of brass, of eighteen cubits high apiece: and a line of twelve cubits did compass either of them about.

16And he made two chapiters of molten brass, to set upon the tops of the pillars:

en.wikipedia.org...

So, again, we find Freemasonry and all the connected "brotherhoods" twisting history to fit their agenda, which is to move people AWAY from God by enslaving them into materialistic thought and action.

Aleister Crowley was never part of regular Freemasonry - he only belonged to the irregular lodges. This is a very important distinction, in Masonry.

I guess I'm having a Stupid Day - I really don't understand what your point is, sorry. Can you clarify?
Thank you.

reply to post by endrun


I don't know if you are a mason, or not, but in your ten posts so far, you have spent 7 of them defending the "craft"

Why do they call it a "craft" anyway, when a real stone mason will call it a "trade"

It's funny to me, after all that info, you pick the debatable "Crowley was not a mason" issue, and then suggest you don't get my point.

Dude, you are a classic.

Crowley bragged that the Masons issued him with so many medals and awards, that he couldn't even carry them all.

I thought my title was pretty clear. There is a giant anti-God conspiracy prevelant in government, churches, symbolism, advertising and movie making.

It's called the "whittle down" effect. Slowly cause them to break the commandments, little bits at a time.

Why do you think they don't want the commandments in Court houses?
They don't want you to be reminded of God's word, God's laws.

They want you obeying mans laws, which in turn makes them lords over man,
or "Lord of Man" as Queen Elizabeth II calls herself.




[edit on 22-5-2008 by cutbothways]

Originally posted by cutbothways
Crowley bragged that the Masons issued him with so many medals and awards, that he couldn't even carry them all.

Irregular/clandestine lodges will swear up and down that they are real Freemasons as they believe themselves to be. Mimicing in every way what they think Freemasonry to be.

In fact there are more irregular/clandestine lodges than regular lodges.

The fact still remains that the lodge Aleister Crowley was made a Mason was irregular/clandestine. Which means that any benefits he may have obtained were not at the hands of a regular lodge.

Edit: More information on Crowley's association with Freemasonry may be found at:
Aleister Crowley, Freemason?

[edit on 5/22/2008 by Choronzon]

reply to post by Choronzon


Hmm, a Mason who ignores the rest of the thread, and defends the Freemason against Crowley.

Next, you will be telling me the "Book of Law" (Liber-Al) is never used in Masonic Lodges.

Originally posted by cutbothways
Next, you will be telling me the "Book of Law" (Liber-Al) is never used in Masonic Lodges.

I think you are confusing Freemasonry with the Thelemic order of the OTO, (Ordo Templi Orientis). Which is an order that Aleister Crowley had a part in directing.

And no the OTO is not Freemasonry.

Freemasonry does have a "Volume of the Sacred Law", which in most lodges would be the King James Bible. This maybe where your misconception is derived.

Originally posted by cutbothways
reply to post by endrun

 

I don't know if you are a mason, or not, but in your ten posts so far, you have spent 7 of them defending the "craft"

Why do they call it a "craft" anyway, when a real stone mason will call it a "trade"

It's funny to me, after all that info, you pick the debatable "Crowley was not a mason" issue, and then suggest you don't get my point.

Dude, you are a classic.

Crowley bragged that the Masons issued him with so many medals and awards, that he couldn't even carry them all.

I thought my title was pretty clear. There is a giant anti-God conspiracy prevelant in government, churches, symbolism, advertising and movie making.

It's called the "whittle down" effect. Slowly cause them to break the commandments, little bits at a time.

Why do you think they don't want the commandments in Court houses?
They don't want you to be reminded of God's word, God's laws.

They want you obeying mans laws, which in turn makes them lords over man,
or "Lord of Man" as Queen Elizabeth II calls herself.
[edit on 22-5-2008 by cutbothways]

Wrong. I've made 10 posts and only 5 have been about Masonry. Why do I defend Masonry? Because of people like you who are intent on smearing an entire group of people that you don't know, and calling them pedophiles when you have no evidence, nada, zip, nothing. In fact, you have yet to present any evidence of any Masonic conspiracy. In fact, the tile of this thread "The Conspiracy Against God", is ambigous and I'll thank you not to insult me by saying I pretended not to understand. I don't do those kind of stupid games.
You are really something, you constantly make assumptions about people based on nothing. As usual, you are trying to twist the facts to suit your agenda. That is not proof or evidence. But I do think your obsession with an Evil Masonic Conspiracy is not healthy and meanwhile, you are libeling many fine men. I've known some very fine men who were Masons and I find your driveling, twisted, lying tripe to be repulsive.
BTW, almost all of the threads you have started have been anti-Masonic. As long as you keep making these idiotic threads, I will always respond to you when you make your wild claims, if only so that people don't believe your lies.

Have you noticed? Each year, there is a little less Christ in Christmas, a little less Christian spirit. The spirit of giving now is confined to gifts. Scarcely is there mention of Christian love. That might offend some people, Satanists perhaps.
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The Illuminati consist of the Jesuits and some of the world's richest families including the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers and the Windsors. While they pay lip service to religion, they worship Lucifer.
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The purpose of the New World Order is the same as Communism. The Illuminati created Communism as a means to flaunt God's will and enslave mankind.
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We are being prepared in consciousness for slavery or destruction. They are laying the groundwork now with the "war in terror." Once they get Islam under control, they will turn their attention on the West in earnest.
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This is what the Illuminati fear. In the Protocols of the Elders of Zion (5) the author writes: "There is nothing more dangerous to us than personal initiative; if it has genius behind it, such initiative can do more than can be done by millions of people among whom we have sown discord."
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Devote each new day to fulfilling God's purpose for you.

www.whale.to...

Pretty good stuff.

I would just add the Freemasons to the list of Lucifer worshipping cults.
Then there is the Cthulhu Cult, Wicca's, Gnostics, and many others.

Even, the majority of Christians have no clue what God's purpose is.

They read the bible, thinking it says they will meet Jesus at the Rapture,
while all the other losers get left behind.

Jesus said, it will be the removal of the chaff, throwing them into the fire.

Do they actually READ the bible, or is it just more lip service.

I would suggest the closest ones to God, are the gardeners.

People who appreciate the power of the seed, and respect the
work it takes to grow a plant that produces good fruits.

Originally posted by cutbothways
I would just add the Freemasons to the list of Lucifer worshipping cults.
Then there is the Cthulhu Cult, Wicca's, Gnostics, and many others.

I would suggest the closest ones to God, are the gardeners.

People who appreciate the power of the seed, and respect the
work it takes to grow a plant that produces good fruits.

Sorry, CBW, wrong again. We Wiccans don't even believe in the concept of Satan, so how could we be worshipping him? In fact, many of us also honor Jesus.

As for gardeners being closest to God, you should know that most Pagans and Wiccans love gardening. Many of us maintain herb gardens and enjoy them quite a lot.

reply to post by cutbothways


God is omnipotent. With all due respect, He doesnt need second rate "mercenaries" doing his bidding for him. There is no need for battle, there is only need for coexistance, mutual learning and peace.

Originally posted by endrun

Originally posted by cutbothways

Sorry, CBW, wrong again. We Wiccans don't even believe in the concept of Satan, so how could we be worshipping him? In fact, many of us also honor Jesus.

As for gardeners being closest to God, you should know that most Pagans and Wiccans love gardening. Many of us maintain herb gardens and enjoy them quite a lot.

Wicca IPA: /ˈwɪkə/, is a nature-based religion popularised in 1954 by Gerald Gardner, a retired British civil servant, who at the time called it Witchcraft.[1] He said that the religion, of which he was an initiate, was a modern survival of an old witchcraft religion which had existed in secret for hundreds of years, originating in the pre-Christian paganism of Europe.

en.wikipedia.org...

Interesting that the guys last name is Gardner. Almost a gardener. I'm talking about gardeners with no religious affiliation, just a quiet belief in God.

The pentagram is the symbol of your faith.

Beginning with the destruction of the Knights Templar by the combined treachery of King Philip IV and Pope Clement V, the inquisition of the church moved into full swing starting with the Templars, who fell partly under accusations of worshipping an idol called Baphomet. It is highly unlikely that the Baphomet of the Templars, if it existed at all, resembled anything like Lévi's Baphomet, which we examined on another page. Still the order was squashed by torture, death and Papal dissolution by 1314. Like the torture of the Albigensian Cathari, and the aforementioned Templar order, the church began to destroy all that opposed the rule of the Holy See. Alleged heretics, Pagans witches all met with the same fate of conversion or death.

It was at this time that the horned gods still worshipped by the peasants and folk peoples of Europe, such as Pan became the accepted imagery for the Devil by the Christian Church. Therefore in the eyes of the church if the peasants worshipped false, evil gods, then the Pentagram symbol, used by those people as a symbol of security, must therefore be evil as well.

www.templarhistory.com...

If you honor Jesus, you believe in the concept of Satan. Read the book of Job, for knowledge on how Satan works. However, I would suggest modern Satan is not an individual, but a collective anti-God conscious.



[edit on 22-5-2008 by cutbothways]

I could say that the cross (I.E. Christian Cross) is automatically evil because if you invert it you get the Cross of St. Peter and that as anti-religious/ Satanistic conatations. Your argument against the Wiccan Pentagram is flawed in the same way in that the symbol of Baphomet is only reached if you invert the Wiccan Pentagram. Inverting any religious symbol is usually seen as an opposite or affront to said religion or that train of thought.

If you honor Jesus, you believe in the concept of Satan. Read the book of Job, for knowledge on how Satan works. However, I would suggest modern Satan is not an individual, but a collective anti-God conscious.

I would suggest the closest ones to God, are the gardeners.

'm talking about gardeners with no religious affiliation, just a quiet belief in God.

You stated in your opinion those who follow no mainstream affiliation but believe in God quietly are the closest to God especially if they are gardeners...but at the same time you suggest that an individual should read the books affiliated with a recognised religion (one you also stated that the majority of followers of which have it wrong) in order to become nearer to the truth. Isn't that like intentionally spreading lies under the guise of truth which I thought you were trying to 'warn' people about.

reply to post by Marshall Ormus


Using the cross to represent Jesus, is offensive in my opinion.

The cross is a symbol of Roman authority, and the Roman Catholics
know this all too well.

If your referring to the bible as the book that I use, you are right.

Why wouldn't one pay close attention to the most popular, studied book
of all time.

And yes, I believe there are many inspired passages of God in there.

However, I would suggest Francis Bacon intentionally change some things
to hide some real truths when he edited it for King James,

such a painting Mary Magdelene (the Mother of Jesus) in a less that favorable light, and making St. John out to be more of a disciple of Jesus than he really was.

I would suggest, that the two thieves that died on the cross, were as important in the new testament as any of the apostles, but their stories were intentionally left out, as well as Jesus' younger years (1-13) and the trips he took to India, and England.

Originally posted by 44soulslayer
reply to post by cutbothways

 

God is omnipotent. With all due respect, He doesnt need second rate "mercenaries" doing his bidding for him. There is no need for battle, there is only need for coexistance, mutual learning and peace.

Umm, coming from a guy with the name 44soulslayer, and an avatar of a guy holding and assault rifle, I thing I'll take your comment with a grain of SALT.

Good luck slaying souls though.

Originally posted by cutbothways

It was at this time that the horned gods still worshipped by the peasants and folk peoples of Europe, such as Pan became the accepted imagery for the Devil by the Christian Church. Therefore in the eyes of the church if the peasants worshipped false, evil gods, then the Pentagram symbol, used by those people as a symbol of security, must therefore be evil as well.

www.templarhistory.com...

If you honor Jesus, you believe in the concept of Satan. Read the book of Job, for knowledge on how Satan works. However, I would suggest modern Satan is not an individual, but a collective anti-God conscious.
[edit on 22-5-2008 by cutbothways]

Pan and other Horned gods were not evil entities, they simply represented the wild nature of the forest, mostly. It was the Christian church who took the symbol of the Horned God and turned it into Satan. The two images look nothing alike except for horns. It was the Christian interpretation of Pan that was all wrong, they didn't understand it and alot of them still don't. The pentagram stands for a number of things, but probably most use it as a symbol of protection.

Now, just because some may honor Jesus, doesn't mean that we believe the whole Christian take on things; if we did, we would be Christian and not Wiccan, wouldn't we? Just because some Wiccans may honor Jesus, doesn't mean they have to accept the whole ball of wax.

reply to post by endrun




Hmm, I wonder why people associate Pan with the Devil.

Isn't he cute!

If you respect Jesus,

then respect His words.

Love God, and love your neighbor.

Not Love Pan, and your neighbor.

I can't tell you who to worship, but
I will tell you worshipping Pan is
a form of Idolism.

Now we all know God's written rule
against this.

Originally posted by cutbothways
Pretty good stuff.

I would just add the Freemasons to the list of Lucifer worshipping cults.
Then there is the Cthulhu Cult, Wicca's, Gnostics, and many others.

Hahahaha, oh wow. The Cthulu Cult? The one that's part of the fictional writings of early 20th century horror writer HP Lovecraft? Or any real life ones composed of horror literature buffs and Internet imageboardgoers who are into that sort of thing?

Besides the fact that it ain't Lucifer worship (if it was real, it'd actually be worse), any real life veneration of the elder gods is all in the name of good fun. At least, as good of fun as you get with LARPer's and people like that.

This is almost as hilarious a group to hate on as Dungeons & Dragons people. (I only hate the game because it's dull as bugger all. And if I'm going to engage myself in fantasy, it ain't going to be generic tolkienesque knockoff fantasy.)

Also: Wiccans? I don't get the hate on Wiccans. They don't *do* anything. They buy silly new age type trinkets and books on esoterica from used bookstores, and do useless little rituals, spell magic wrong, and give themselves elaborately spelled names.


I don't concern myself with freemasons, but really, they just seem like kind of a cross between frat boys and boyscouts, only adult.

CBW: You need to give us a reference for that image and also, please tell us who the statue is supposed to represent. I can see that the one on the left is Pan. Who is the other one?

Interesting how you think you know more about my religion than I do. I have spent 45 years studying my religion, in depth, the good and the bad.

But since you love to insult other's religious beliefs, I'm sure that means nothing to you. You just use vague references to unknown sources to support your own brand of Christianity. I've got news for you, not all Christians believe as you do.