ISRAEL Nuked Iraq

I think you missed a few little elements of what I wrote so I'll rephrase things for you.

Was Baghdad "loaded" with troops from all over the world in 1991? I missed that.

No, the middle eastern region was loaded with troops from all over the world in 1991. If you missed that it's due to either not paying attention or not wanting to pay attention. Last time I checked there was an international coalition in the area at the time that oh... might have noticed nuclear weapons being shot around the sky.

Did the neighboring "Muslim countries" have numbers of satellites monitoring mini-nukes? Uhh, there was only Jordan, and no, they didn't (did they)?

If you think that an Israeli Nuclear strike would be undetected by the Jordanians then you clearly underestimate them. Jordan is hardly a nation of pea shooters.

You also deny that Israel could do something secretly when there are people around during war - while defending their mantra/methods of deception. My mind just went blank. What am I missing here?

The answer in two words: A LOT. Read what I wrote. You hop onto a bandwagon that gets off on translating Hebrew for their own gain. Once again, I will reiterate that the slogan Mossad uses is intended to show that wars are won through intelligence and not physical strength alone. What you have missed here is that their slogan that you and countless others misuse has nothing to do with the pathetically unsubstantiated claim that your "source" is making that Israel popped off a load of nukes and while you may believe the US would "ignore" it, I highly doubt the representatives from the dozens of other nations in the area would "ignore" it. I think you have missed out on the fact that this was not a solitary secret operation. There was a tremendous amount of military personnel from many different nations on the ground at the time. What your source is trying to say is that every one of them (most of which were hardly "friends" of israel) agreed to keep their mouths shut about these "nukes" with the exception of this maniacal Colonel who doesn't even know Bremer's name but knows precisely how to instruct people on how to buy his book.

Also, I didn't say noone else noticed. Don't shoot the messenger, here. I just thought people would want to read about this, and might have something to add, perhaps.

I have nothing against you. Your source disgusts me because it shows no caring for Journalistic Integrity. Your source is not charging that someone stole a cookie from the cookie jar, he is charging that a nation fired off weapons of mass destruction and he has less than zero evidence to back his claim. I categorize this Colonel's claims as the rantings of either a madman or a salesman. It's just scary that these websites will quote this man without feeling the slightest responsibility towards their readers.

Then again that casseopia site you have in your signature has been exposed as frauds for claiming an interview to be with Ariel Sharon even after the Interviewer Himself admitted it was with some crazy old right wing settler. How's that for journalistic responsibility. I'm all for investigative reporting but isn't the object to find Truth??

[Edited on 3-1-2004 by Djarums]

Everything else aside....mininuke?!?! Thats the stupidest thing i've ever heard. A nuke that is smaller than some conventional bombs? Why? To start it obviously wasn't about an EMP since the explosion were below the city sky line where the EMP would be at most a city block wide. Secondly why spend a fortune on the precision detonating system of a nuke when you could get the same effect for 1/10th the price with a conventional bomb.

Isreal has about 80 nukes? And they are gonna waste some on a city already being bombed by US war planes?

I do think the US and Israel are guilty of many UN violations and attrocities, but I don't buy the mininuke theory.

Originally posted by Djarums
By the way for those who are wondering, this is called a man trying to take the blame off of Depleted Uranium bombs ...

The only 'dirty bombs' used to date in this war against terrorism, are of Depleted Uranium tipped.

Excellent point!

The power of the us and isreal to create a mass coverup is far reaching... u.s. aready did it at colombine and in waco....

All im saying is its a possabilty!!!

truegimp, if it was only those two countries who were operating in the area at the time i would considering agreeing with your theory. but what needs to be understood here is that during the gulf war of 1991 the United States was leading a coalition of a vast group of countries including many Muslim countries. If you know anything about Muslim ideals you know how bad it is for them to side with someone that's out to harm fellow Muslims. It took ages to get Muslim countries into the coalition in the first place and they ALL threatened to leave if Israel retaliated for the SCUD attacks. That is why the US told Israel to do nothing. Had Israel done something, those countries would have abandoned the coalition instantly. They will not partake in a group that involved Jews harming Muslims. There would be no coverup by them for this.

It is absolutely impossible for anyone to have pulled this off unless they used some kind of secret gas to put the entire newsmedia and all other countries' representatives to sleep.

I read Col. De-Grand's assertion that Israel used nukes during the war. I believe he is a disinformation specialist, plain and simple.

I was there, man. If any kind of nuke would have gone off, I would have known. We probably all would have known and all of our ears would be rotting off as I type. Think about it, in the desert you can see a cigerette burning at night for a long, long ways. A nuke isn't something you can hide. There's no way Israel nuked Iraq. No way.

Originally posted by Quest
Everything else aside....mininuke?!?! Thats the stupidest thing i've ever heard. A nuke that is smaller than some conventional bombs? Why? To start it obviously wasn't about an EMP since the explosion were below the city sky line where the EMP would be at most a city block wide. Secondly why spend a fortune on the precision detonating system of a nuke when you could get the same effect for 1/10th the price with a conventional bomb.

Isreal has about 80 nukes? And they are gonna waste some on a city already being bombed by US war planes?

I do think the US and Israel are guilty of many UN violations and attrocities, but I don't buy the mininuke theory.

Actually there are bombs that have almost no blast or radiation but the effective EMP of a 20 meg nuke.

Originally posted by truegimp2000
The power of the us and isreal to create a mass coverup is far reaching... u.s. aready did it at colombine and in waco....

All im saying is its a possabilty!!!

What was covered up at Columbine?

Except for a test what would be the point of setting of a couple mini nukes anyway??

If this was true I would not be suprised in the least but I have a feeling that if israel did that then we would have been hearing it from saddam and osama continuously.That would be a perfect reason for Iran and whoever else to start nuking back.

Regardless of israel dropping these bombs or not...somebody will eventually and it will not be a pretty picture.....I honestly dont think there is a anwser for these problems...its either we let them kill each other daily as they have been doing for years or it will be an all out war...The "road map" to peace will never work.

I've yet to see any evidence that a mininuke was used, besides the words of this so calle"information Specialist"

My father has Gulf War syndrome, and it is not radiation poisoning due to mininuke explosions. Depleted Uranium is the culprit there, along with the various vaccines and test antidotes the soldiers were given.

If a nuke were to go off, every intelligence agency in the world would have known, not just Jordan. Even a mininuke would give off an infrared and radiowave signature that would have been a beacon throughout the world. It also would have been incredibly stupid for the Israelis to give up one of their nukes for an attack on a desert country, with few major military installations. The only feasible targets would have been cities, and they're all present and accounted for last I checked.

The motto of this site is "deny ignorance", not support it by blindly following the "renegade" assertions of some chop artist with a book to sell

Dreamstone i could not have said that better myself. It is sad that sometimes people get so out of control when it comes to "finding something" that they completely lose sight of the truth.

This is a very exciting story folks. Israel shot nukes!! Holy crap, no one knew about it except this guy and here's the expos�!! Yeah it's exciting, and it would be even more exciting if it were true. It's too bad that people forget that last part though. True.

Originally posted by Apollyon

Originally posted by truegimp2000
The power of the us and isreal to create a mass coverup is far reaching... u.s. aready did it at colombine and in waco....

All im saying is its a possabilty!!!

What was covered up at Columbine?

Might want to gaze upon this, in regards to Columbine:
"BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE: Documentary or Fiction?"
www.hardylaw.net...




regards
seekerof

[Edited on 2-3-2004 by Seekerof]

Expect any thread on Israel to bring out at least one verbose kook - that's expected. Usually they add some substance - allowing me to ignore the IGNORE button. When they all but declare "I know the TRUTH!" They simply look the fool.

Several people were intrigued and interested - and admitted the possibilities here. That's good, and we can dig for more in time. We're still piecing together all the bits about 9-11, yes?

I'd love to hear more about the 'disinformation specialist' claim regarding Col. Donn de Grand-Pre. Tell me more, EastCoastKid.

Look, boys, for anyone wanting to simply attack and deny - well, the door was left wide open for a subtantive 'refutation' or undermining of this event and claim. No takers yet.

Here're 2 clues. Testing of nukes is quite invaluable, and all public figures have clues in their history to reinforce or undermine their credibility.

[Edited on 2-3-2004 by RogueOne]

RogueOne....besides the supposed "confirmed" report(s) that you bring forth, are there more to be found in the vastness of this Earth and the internet to provide more crediability to this conjecture?
Again, even with the use of a mini-nuke, would such an event be so surpressed that not one other would report this?
I'm going to bed in a few but I will try and keep an open mind and further investigate/research this tomorrow. Access to Israel's past and present nuclear profile and stockpiles will maybe reveal if they indeed had access to mini-nukes at all.



regards
seekerof

I remember threads somewhat recently here on ATS about the U.S. gov just now putting alot of money into researching mini nukes...Does that mean we lag behind israel in nuclear bombs?? I doubt it

[Edited on 2-3-2004 by McGotti]

I can't bring myself to wade through the utter insanity going on here, so can someone please tell me what the hell a "mini-nuke" is supposed to be?

I found the link to this thread from the research project on 9/11.
I was extremely interested by the claim that nuclear weapons are the cause of gulf war syndrome, because several years ago I carried out my own research project on GWS.

The nuclear explanation only addresses a single aspect of GWS. There were several classes of GWS, usually distinct, although in some cases sufferes showed more than one grouping of symptoms.

The first grouping was probably nuclear in cause. The most common sympton was cirrosis (spelling?) or necrosis of the liver, and as a result, jaundice. This group also experienced open sores and other symptoms which seemed to be the direct result of nuclear exposure. Every source researched indicated that Depleted Uranium was the cause. One of the cases which became an example in my paper was that of a British engineer who developed these symptoms after reclaiming the remains of an Iraqi T-72 to be displayed outside of his unit's headquarters.

The second grouping of symptoms was nuerological. Sources from my paper which I intend to rediscover and cite if I can get a research project on this matter include the Journal of the American Medical Association and New England Journal of Medicine, as well as first-hand accounts by veterans. These victims complained of chronic fatigue, loss of weight and muscle, and reduced ability to experience stress or adrenaline reactions. Either their bodies were not producing the chemicals needed to trigger these reactions, or their chemoreceptors had been damaged, making them unresponsive.
THIS HAS BEEN RELIABLY ATTRIBUTED TO A SPECIFIC CAUSE: The Nerve Agent Pyridostigmine Prevention System or NAPPS which was and still is issued to our troops with the strict warning that over-use can be harmful. First hand accounts such as Anthony Swafford's book Jarhead indicate that these and other bio/chem warfare countermeasures were abused or ignored in the field. My own grandmother has testified to minor nerve problems she suffered while using other pyridostigmine medications.

Yet another grouping of symptoms is charactarized by arthritis and loss of muscle tissue. Treatment with the Ketoconazole (spelling) was reportedly successful for one veteran who took it upon himself to experiment with his treatment. This grouping of symptoms is the result of exposure to a fungal metabolite related to Red Mold. One such weapon was in Iraq's aresenal in 1991, but memory fails me as to the name. This will also be re-researched and presented should I get a project on GWS. Ironically, these weapons were probably not released by Saddam, but my American forces who destroyed Iraqi arms depots without properly inspecting their contents. This has been shown in afteraction reports by engineer units. Off the top of my head, I believe 35th Engineers was one unit to search for an afteraction report from.

Finally, a smaller group of cases involved exotic sexually transmitted diseases, oftentimes felt more strongly by the victim's spouse than the victim himself. These are believed to be cases of bad vaccines infecting soldiers with a bovine STD which causes swelling, blistering, and miscarriage in cattle, and has caused cancer of the uterus in women infected by soldiers.

Further evidence of the American cause of GWS can be presented by the VAs handling of the syndrome. In many cases, discharge with disability benefits were given for "an unidentified somatiform disorder" (in otherwords, a physically manifesting mental condition), however if a veteran demanded investigation of potential exposure to WMD, he would recieve the battery of tests, and when they came up negative for exotic diseases and he would not be elligible for his VA money. The "take your money and shutup" response speaks volumes.

Originally posted by Esoterica
I can't bring myself to wade through the utter insanity going on here, so can someone please tell me what the hell a "mini-nuke" is supposed to be?

Mini (small) nuke (what the US has already done to japan)

Seriously though its a low yeald nuke, one that will take out a block or so. You can make ANY amount of enriched plutonium explode (its a chain reaction) not just the 6kg (critical mass when it pops naturally). Also you can determine the energy released with e=mc^2 (mass plutonium before - mass of whtever it decayed to after multiplyed by the speed of light squared).

In theory its possible to shoot nukes in tankshells, not sure if it exists though, would not be surprised if it did.

Originally posted by Corinthas
In theory its possible to shoot nukes in tankshells, not sure if it exists though, would not be surprised if it did.

www.brook.edu...
This page is about the "Davey Crockett" 120 amd 155mm nuclear warheads, which were fired from a recoilless rifle for distances under 2 miles.
Their capacity was .01 kilotons.

*whistles the disney-toon from the davey-crockett movies* Davey, Davey Crockett, King of the Wild Frontier!

Sorry to bring this topic back to its unfortunate origional topic but the nuking of Iraq could be refering to something other than nuclear missle strike, which i think we can all agree would never have been able to be covered up. If nothing other than the amount of money russia could have made selling the story to US newspapers. I think he may, provided that it is not just lies, be talking about tests that the united states might have been conducting for the Isrealies given they had a testing ground that was already covered in a "light radioactive mist". i do however personally think that it is BS.