ISRAEL Nuked Iraq

I hate to have to relate this one. The act, by Israel - and coverup are so immoral. I'm doing my part . . .

Here's the interview. (about halfway down)

According to Col. Donn de Grand-Pre, U.S. Army (ret.)
Alex Jones Radio Show Feb. 25, 2004:

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DGP: Well, the DU rounds are over-played, first of all. They aren't that potent and secondarily, we must consider that weapons of mass destruction have already been used by some of the opposition in the period February of 1991. Weapons of mass destruction, including low-yield nuclear weapons.

AJ: Okay, can you break that down for us?

DGP: Well, I break it down in the time frame that we had satellite images of rounds or missiles being fired from the Negev desert toward Baghdad. That's 600 miles distance. And six or eight of the rounds came in. That was February of 1991.

AJ: Are you saying that the Israelis used miniaturized nuclear weapons?

DGP: Yes sir. That's what I'm saying, in plain English.

AJ: Well I remember, I know they bragged that they had a lot of really sophisticated miniaturized nuclear weapons, of the little mini-frogs, or whatever. But and I know there were these giant mushroom clouds on the news. They'd say, "Oh, that's not a nuke. That's just a weapons depot." But you are saying that it is common knowledge at the Pentagon that Israel was firing nuclear weapons at Iraq?

DGP: That is correct.

AJ: Oh, so that's where all this high-level radiation is emanating from?

DGP: That is correct. And I have verification of that. I think it's in book 2. And I think it will stand up in most scrutiny.

AJ: Well, I know your work on September 11th certainly has. Do you think the globalists are going to have the will to carry out another massive attack here in the U.S. to try to get control back over the population and get their agenda back on track? Or do you think they've calculated, computed as you said, that that will blow up in their face because so many people now know who the real terrorists are?
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The real users, abusers, and purveyers of WMD's are the Israeli and US military regimes. That is now historical reality. They have captured the moral low ground of imhumanity.

Your tax dollars - and your children's - at work. Kerry had a point. God help us.


[Edited on 1-3-2004 by RogueOne]

What a crock of bull#.
The US didn't need a nuclear act from an ally as they had enough conventional firepower already in place to turn the whole of Iraq into molten glass.
There is no tactical reason for Israeli intervention with WoMD in Iraq whatsoever.

Umm.... not really.
Correct.
And - wrong. They were under attack, but their limited nuclear response was not ethically or intelligently reasonable.

Thanks, Leveller.
RogueOne

That has to be the absolute most factually incorrect, irresponsible, and imaginative interview I have ever seen.

First off, no weapons of any sort were launched by Israel in the first Gulf War. If the gentlemen in the interview were not so stupid they would realize that. Israel was FORCED not to RETALIATE. I say retaliate because the firing of scuds from Iraq into Israel IS DOCUMENTED, unlike what this idiot is saying. So anything that WOULD HAVE been fired by Israel would have been retaliation. But that did not happen. Why? Because the other Muslim countries in the fragile "coalition" stated that it was their specific intent to LEAVE the coalition if Jews were involved in attacking a Muslim nation. This too has been documented.

I would suggest someone PLEASE read the whole god damn interview. Look at what else this idiot says. Wolfowitz was fired upon by the US Army because they don't like him? Then we have him calling Bremer "C. Paul Bremer". For a guy who claims to be in good contact with the Joint Chiefs of Staff this man is an unrefined, uneducated twit who has absolutely NO knowledge of the very issues he should know about.

Following some spoutings about how Cheney and Wolfowitz's "days are numbered" the guy goes into a spiel about how to buy his 3 volume book.

Why is it that the words "Journalistic Integrity" seem to have been thrown into the sewer lately?

[Edited on 3-1-2004 by Djarums]

Do you know what the official motto of Israel's Mossad is?

"By Way Of Deception Thou Shalt Do War."-- Official motto of Mossad

They have 80+ nuclear weapons of certain classified types. Yes? Isn't it plausible that the real reason they were so agreable (supposedly) to not retaliate, is that they actually were retaliating secretly?

You do know that just because it's not widely reported in the mainstream US press( but elsewhere), there is a STRONG possiblity that it is occurring anyway? But it is necessary not to publicize? Are there any virgins on the board here?

Do you actually have something factual and evidentiary to contribute and 'document'? TIA.

[Edited on 1-3-2004 by RogueOne]

Ditto to what Djarums said.

The "oh look! big explosions produce nuclear-looking-cloud" statement is unbelievably bogus. If you've watched any shows that show explosions (like the ones that debunk urban legends), you'll know that lots of regular explosions produce little "mushroom clouds." It's physics. Not a property of the material of the bomb.

And yes, I remember the first war -- Djarums is correct -- I remember the stories and the negotiations. If Israel had fired back, every other Muslim nation would have gotten involved. It was a delicate point at the time, and one much discussed. They did defensive strikes against incoming missles only.

By the way for those who are wondering, this is called a man trying to take the blame off of Depleted Uranium bombs and place it on a country that sat and let itself get shot at even though (as we all know) they could've blown the # out of Iraq at any given moment.

Way to repay them for "exercising retraint".

Do ya' vividly recall what the Bush administration spoon fed you about the 9/11 'hijackers' too?

Anymore 'defenders of the untainted media' in 'da house?!

Originally posted by RogueOne
Do ya' vividly recall what the Bush administration spoon fed you about the 9/11 'hijackers' too?

Anymore 'defenders of the untainted media' in 'da house?!

9/11 has absolutely Jack # to do with the Gulf War.
You're taking the word of one crackpot as the truth and that makes you even worse than those you claim to despise.

If Israel had retaliated it could have easily done so conventionally. But it didn't even need to do that. Coalition forces ran out of targets on the first day of the war as there were so many of them.

The argument has absolutely no basis in logic.

Originally posted by Djarums
That has to be the absolute most factually incorrect, irresponsible, and imaginative interview I have ever seen.

Well it IS Alex Jones.

Are you saying the US arranged the 9/11 bombing?

IF so please state the reason why they would do this?

What would they benifit.

Thanks

Rogueone you are missing a very important point. The area between Israel's Negev region and Iraq is POPULATED. Do you honestly think that if Israel fired weapons at Iraq no one would have noticed? Especially such radioactive atrocities as this man is talking about. As Byrd stated even small non-radioactive explosions can produce a mushroom cloud. It all depends on various conditions such as temperature, materials involved, and even wind. Materials at a high temperature are being projected outwards at a high speed. They expand right? Does that make them all nukes? If you read up on it you'll find it doesn't.

You have decided that maybe Israel's launches of nukes in 1991 were kept secret. You miss the point that the area was LOADED with troops from all over the world. For you to state that no one noticed these Israeli nukes except this jackass in the interview is really not very responsible. Don't you think the Muslim nations that lie between Israeli airspace and Iraqi land would have noticed something?

As for Mossad's "slogan" that the anti-israel folks on this site LOVE to quote. It's a god damn intelligence agency. I will not be held responsible for you misunderstanding the fact that Mossad is stating that wars are won with brainpower not just with shooting. If we all understood that it's an intelligence agency just like the American one, and the British one, and the French one, their slogan would not annoy you so much.

[Edited on 3-1-2004 by Djarums]

Wrong.

My reply to Byrd's saying, "I remember the stories" (etc.) and referencing what the media and Bush administration saying made this new story bogus - is relevant to their 9-11 coverage. Which is bogus as a reputable repost.

This "crackpot" story comes via Jeff Rense/John Kaminski/Alex Jones/ + "military insiders".

No more whining, por favor.

Heh!!!
You mean no more refuting bull#.

OT: 9-11 Tragedy was a great and terrible event in US history, and it is essential to be quite certain about all the facts leading up to this event.

I'm not sure the best way to broach this subject, but I suggect you just focus on the Pentagon to start. Like here... link

or here

Good luck.




[Edited on 1-3-2004 by RogueOne]

Originally posted by RogueOne
This "crackpot" story comes via Jeff Rense/John Kaminski/Alex Jones/ + "military insiders".

No more whining, por favor.

LOL!!!!!!!
Like dropping Rense's name somehow gives credibility to your story????
What a crock of #!

Damn, I missed the Cassiopean thing in your signature.

Aren't those are the folks that check their brain in at the door so they can walk around like some bloody, mind controlled zombie, then complain that everyone who doesn't fit in their mold and believe as they do is somehow closed minded?
LOL!
Rense - I swear if I stop laughing I'll respond with more.

Did I only mention one reference? I thought not.

Did any single detractor yet mention a competing and contradictory source? Nyet.

Your failure to even check my signature to do even a cursory -nigh- thorough and fair check ... speaks volumes. Try again.

You were saying something about, what was it, being "closed minded"? Still laughing?
TIA.

Was Baghdad "loaded" with troops from all over the world in 1991? I missed that.

Did the neighboring "Muslim countries" have numbers of satellites monitoring mini-nukes? Uhh, there was only Jordan, and no, they didn't (did they)?

You also deny that Israel could do something secretly when there are people around during war - while defending their mantra/methods of deception. My mind just went blank. What am I missing here?

Also, I didn't say noone else noticed. Don't shoot the messenger, here. I just thought people would want to read about this, and might have something to add, perhaps.

well...i for one buy the "israel nukes world" story, and therefore, i am inclined to believe that israel could be the most unstable country there is out there in the middle-east.
problems might arise from israel's unusually strict counter-actions...
one hopes they pipe down soon..or the U.S could end up taking over the rest of the middle-east so as to ensure no >>real

Very informative post. Thanks.