Out of time and out of place

reply to post by Vanitas


Hi Vanitas,

You blog is great! It's very interesting.
Any idea how weather conditions are so important in stories about timeslips?

While I was reading the link Woody posted I thought "yes, that's the right description for it: the weather was hot and lush too that night in the Ariege."

And 10th of august: (shrug) it's probably just a coincidence, but just in case I will be extra careful on the 10th of august

Faith

reply to post by leapoffaith


Hi leapoffaith,

I can give you two links ... but Im not sure they will help you in any way.

First 'missing time' incident ... I lost 7 1/2 hrs (both links are about this ... but it's a little different to your experience).

Second time was very small but left me feeling strange and disorientated ... during an electrical storm I walked back into my kitchen from the garden (I love storms so I'd been outside watching it) ... I walked from the kitchen to the sitting room (should have taken me 3-4 second) but 10mins had passed ???

I know that doesn't sound very dramatic but I felt really strange for an hour or so after ... slightly dizzy and as I said disorientated ... may just have been something to do with absorbing too many negative ions while I was outside watching the storm ... I honestly don't know.

Both 'missing time' episodes happened in relatively close succession (about 2 wks ... never happened since in such a direct way).

Here are the links but I don't know if they will be of any use to you.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

BTW did you check-out that link I posted in an earlier post about the woman driving from Canada ?

Woody

reply to post by leapoffaith


I know it's a coincidence (whatever THAT means!), but I just couldn't resist it...

And you are very kind!
As I said, maybe now I'll post more often. :-)

I don't know how exactly - or IF at all - weather conditions can influence people to the point of inducing a shift of perception, but it certainly sounds plausible. After all, certain places seem to have "hosted" more than one such incident - which means that it couldn't have been all the product (however real) of the mind of one single person. Which in its turn leads to the conclusion that there is something about the place itself that can lead to such shifts in perception. But if it were a constant influence, then most people - or, ideally, ALL - would feel it most of the time. So it has to be something that occurs periodically... like certain weather conditions, among other possible factors.

All the accounts of the Versailles "time slip" point out that the weather was unusually "heavy" that day, and that there were electric storms all across Europe. Miss Moberly does say that, at the time of their actual walk in the park, it wasn't so sticky anymore and that there was a lovely breeze, so they weren't tired anymore. But the atmosphere was still charged - the breeze only "masked" it.

And, after all, isn't everything in the cosmos patterns of energy - creating, and influenced by, electricity, among other factors?

In that light, it would make sense why certain places - like the British isles or Japan, both islands surrounded by great expanses of water (which, of course, is the best natural conductor of electricity) - seem to lead to comparatively more experiences of the kind.

(I remember someone saying to me: "Or maybe because they simply believe in them more than other nations?"
I don't know whether that statement is even true, but the TRULY logical reply would be: "Yes, but WHY do they believe in them 'more than others' in the first place...?" :-)

But it's just a thought, of course.
Anyway, having as many factors as possible counted in certainly doesn't hurt.







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I know what you mean ... there's just so much interesting stuff ... I'm like a child in a sweet shop once I get my teeth into something.

I enjoy doing research on things, it's a habit I got into when I was researching the people and places I recalled from my pastlife incident ... now I'm just hooked. Also being a bit of a sceptic about the weird and wonderful I like to find some back-up ... I can't say whether that's 'because' of my personal experiences or 'in spite of them' !!!

Life's never dull when you're a hybrid (but I'm sure you already know that)

Woody

reply to post by leapoffaith


Have you ever thought, that the clock in the car was displaying the wrong time, that and the fact that you had both been drinking and smoking weed, means that your perceptions of time could be distorted, also the gypsy could have been driving very slowly.

Can you remember looking at another clock, perhaps in a bar, that you can use as a reference?

Didn't you, your husband or the gypsy, have a watch or mobile phone, that you could check the time on?


Why was you crying in the car?

Did you pass any familiar road signs, markings, natural spots that were highly recognizable?

How tall were these mountains?

Did you not notice the mountain range getting closer, further away? was it even there?


This is my analysis



The road to your camp site was 3 km in one direction.

When you got in the car with the gypsy, he went in the opposite direction to your actual camp site without you realising.

Then after two hours he and your boyfriend realised he had been driving in the wrong direction

They didn't tell you

The Gypsy then turned the car round, and drove back in the opposite direction.

After another 2 hours you arrived at the bar.

He kicked you out, because he was annoyed that you made him drive so far.

Then you walked the normal 3km, 30 min walk, back to the camp site.

I am sorry to disappoint you anonymous person, but your analysis is useless!

There was an official campingsite (well lit and thus highly recognizable) next to the river where we had to enter the little dark road to our campsite started. Entering the road with the campsite on our right. We got dumped there at the end of the road with the camping on our left. I never stated that we drove all the way back to the bar again!

After passing the camping, the road was very dark, no lights, just the headlights of the car, so we couldn't see anything.

Mobile telephones were not invented yet I think, anyway we didn't have one and yes, it is possible that the clock in the car didn't work :@ I guess.

Still we know what time the bar shut down and it was technically impossible to have driven in the wrong direction because we then would have arrived in another village. The only other road we could take was a main road and very well lit.

I was crying because I was scared and also very angry at the same time, because I believed at that time we had just taken the wrong road.

I took the liberty of posting the map of the site here, because I think it would be useful to see the disposition of the roads and of the terrain itself (although the camping site itself is not marked, as far as I can see).









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good plan, but i've no idea where the campsite might be, leapoffaith, any chance you could give us an idea of your travels that night using the map as a referance.

I have found this link:

www.ariege-evasion.com

I am pretty sure that is is the same camping site although the name is not the same.

I have tried to zoom in on the google map Vanitas has posted, but it is not working on this computer (I'll try tonight at home).

Originally posted by pieman
good plan, but i've no idea where the campsite might be, leapoffaith, any chance you could give us an idea of your travels that night using the map as a referance.

Yes, good idea; that's what I thought.
Leapoffaith, if you can, pin the location of the camping site on Google Eart, for example, and post it here.
Or just tell us where it is - more or less - on the map above.

But it's not that important, anyway.
I just wanted people who are interested in this thread to see that it would be indeed very difficult to be driving for two hours in one direction and not seeing any villages at all.
According to the map, that would have been highly unlikely.
(Though not impossible, I imagine - nothing is impossible. )




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According to the website you just posted, the coordinates of the camping site are 1°38'05'' and 42°49'00".
(And the little map places the site exactly at Ornolac.)

Originally posted by Vanitas
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According to the website you just posted, the coordinates of the camping site are 1°38'05'' and 42°49'00".
(And the little map places the site exactly at Ornolac.)

How do you know all this?

How do you know all this?


LOL

Click the "Plan d'acces" on the menu (left side).

Ariege Evasion





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Originally posted by Vanitas

How do you know all this?


LOL

Click the "Plan d'acces" on the menu (left side).

Ariege Evasion

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Ah!

I try to post an external link to google maps, where I put the camping site and the place where we stayed, but it doesn't work. Help?




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It turns out the camping site itself is outside Ornolac.
I pinned it on Google Earth, but can't do the same in Google Maps.

Still, it's easy enough to locate it visually: it's the dark round forest below Barry d'en Bas, just above the green E 09 mark (on the lower right side of the screen).









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After reading your account, and most of the details that followed.I can understand why most people would come to the conclusion of a time slip.My more reasonable side would suggest that the local french gypsy may have been in fact new to these parts and became somewhat lost.Or for that matter may have been drinking or was stoned himself and was disorientated enough to have lost his way.Taking into consideration that your time checks were completely accurate as is your feeling of having traveled on the road for two hours.It would be reasonable to say that your own perceptual distortions of time could be a result of perhaps passing out and waking up without any real recollection of doing so.Kinda like how sometimes when people lay on their beds and blink there eyes only to notice that time has jumped ahead 3-4 hours.It is possible to facilitate this under the circumstances of drinking and being stoned.This would explain why the french gypsy became frustrated, I to would feel a little frustrated driving through a country-side that I am not familiar with, saddled with a load of passengers that I don't know very well who keep passing out.That and the state of being passed out, it would be nearly impossible to determine if the driver had turned through a few side roads or for that matter making a U-turn.It takes only moments for a car to turn and then continues to be going straight again to the appearance of the casual observer.It is possible that both you and your boyfriend passed out at similar times having the same mix of alcohol and drugs,if you have similar body types this is especially true.Considering your placement in the vehicle it would be unlikely that changes in each-others state of awareness could be noticed from either party, you in the backseat and your boyfriend in the front seat.Your boyfriend would have to turn around to face you, and you would be unable to see his eyes very well from the backseat.

Though that is my reasonable observation.

On the other side of the coin, the gypsy himself may have detected a sudden change in the atmosphere.I don't know much about gypsies so I can't tell for certain whether or not this is a random event or maybe something that initiated by the gypsy.Evidence of a time paradox would of course be in how you yourself responded in the after-effect.That part would of course be right before the time when he removed you from the vehicle.You may not remember exactly how you were feeling or any obvious distortions in reality as I would imagine you would have been confused and somewhat afraid so details like these would be hard-pressed for memory.

Though there is one question that remains.Were you conscious of the full two hours that had passed by?

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reply to post by Vanitas


Hi Vanitas,

I have tried to pinpoint the bar, the camping and the place where our tent was on googlemaps, but I didn't manage to post the link here on ATS.

When you take the map you posted: the camping is below Barry d'en bas, at the place where the river is like a lake. When you move the map in the south direction you can see the road that ends near Ruisseau de Lujat. Ruisseau de Lujat is a little river wich crosses with the ariege river. Our tent was placed in that point where the very small river (which we used as our fridge) ends in the big one.

When you move the map to the north you see the words Ornolac ussat les bains and a big bridge over the river. The bar was located at this road.

When you look at this map it may become clear to people why I am (despite the circumstances) am convinced that we did not get lost.

Faith

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No, the gypsy knew his way around. We were camping on a terrain that belonged to Janaud, a man from the village. The gypsy knew exactly where that was. See my post above, I am positive that we didn't get lost.

Second, I passed out on the way back (after he turned the car) and woke up when we came back to the camping (which was now on our left side).

I was at that time also convinced that we drove the wrong road! My husband has a very good feeling for direction (opposite of me) and he knew that we drove the right road. I on the other hand was very angry and scared we had to walk this dark road. I didn't understand why he wouldn't drive us that last part to our tent. I thought they were BS-ing me and just took a wrong road.

It wasn't until the next day when they showed me a map of the place that I realised that something really odd was going on!

reply to post by leapoffaith


I was born in France (Tarbes, Haute Pyrenees). I know very well the place where you been…my favorite is Foix. Specially “le pond du Diable” the devil bridge.
In my opinion your chances to seek an answer from your extraordinary journey is to talk to the “Gitan”.
It is well known amongst local that Gypsy’s have some kind of connection with the spirit world, they can sense unseen thing much more then us, hence they reclusive life style.
From what I could grasp from reading your account, I think you and your boyfriend had brought with you “la schcoumoune”, which is the bad eyes for the Gypsy community.
This is why I believe the gypsy didn’t want to know any thing from you 2.
It doesn’t mean that you and your boyfriend are in some way bad people..No…no…it is like you where carrier of some sort.
One more thing will be interesting is to know where was you and your boyfriend before taking this holiday. Maybe you visited some kind of haunted place, with out knowing, and some spirit used you or your boyfriend to escape the place.
It is very much a speculation in my part.
Is a lot of things which are strange in this rejoin of France, I have my memory full of this kind of stuffs.

All the best,

Kacou