How To SOLVE High Gas Prices - MAD AS HELL

This may seem like a drastic measure and approaches it from a comical angle, but I believe we are on the verge of a revolution and more and more people are getting to the point where they are:

Mad As Hell, And Won't Take It Anymore!

How To SOLVE High Gas Prices

Would love to hear responses on HOW HIGH you think gas prices will get before people get fed up and start marching in the streets of Washington DC? That is, if they can afford to go up there.

The BEST ONES will be considered to be aired on a future ATS MIX Show.

Thanks....

Dave


[edit on 5/20/2008 by Dave Rabbit]

I think in the UK we need to see a reduction in tax on fuel. I had to pay £1.20 per litre for diesel this morning on the way into work. I am seriously at the point where I am thinking whether I should sell my car because I just can't afford to run the damned thing.

At the end of the day you've the government making loads of money from tax on fuel, you've got the petrol companies making record profits and the man on the street is at his wits end, struggling to be able to get to work to earn the money to pay the inflated prices that this high fuel price is resulting in...

When had the petrol protests back in 2000 in the UK I was dead set against it and didn't really see what the fuss was about.

NOW, it's different, I would wholeheartedly support any march or direct action regarding the price of fuel.

We are being shafted while others get richer and richer.

We need to stand up and say NO MORE,

Anyone in the northwest UK who fancies putting together a little demo - count me in...

do a google search for straight vegetable oil systems. i installed one last week, took 2 days, and now my buddy runs his f-350 diesel for nothing. at the moment companies are paying people to take the stuff away. it's clean, cheap and abundant...till the taxman cometh.

There won't be a protest. High prices will take the working class off the road forever, and everyone who stays employed through that will accept it, though they will hate it.

There will be a short time, probably from 1-5 years after that becomes normal, when the poor get used to it and like it, until the sudden reduction in their cost of living is erased by wage stagnation and inflation. The rich will love it.

Prices will go up until the working class and lower middle class stop driving.

Criminals lose mobility, traffic cops are not needed, highway maintenance goes down, taxes go down.

Logistics get cheaper- open roads mean less fuel spent.

Spending on fast food probably goes down with the death of the drivethru, and driving related expenses which can be between 1000 and 3000 dollars for the working class are gone. Lower cost of living means that wage increases can be stopped for some time.

The income gap between urban and suburban goes up, as the poor must move closer to work. This reduces home ownership among workers, making them more vulnerable and more controllable. The suburbs become homogenous again as well.

There has been ample discussion by academics of how the car culture has shaped American society. Coming from that angle, it's hard to miss the social engineering aspects of radical changes in the cost of driving.

Petrol is fast approaching two dollars a a litre here in New Zealand . Appox forty cents of the cost is GST and petrol tax . Reducing GST across the board and reducing petrol tax would go some way to easing prices . Overall even with a reduction in the taxes mentioned we are still screwed there are no viable alternatives to Oil or petrol .

It is certainly true in this case that no good deed goes unpunished . So called globalisation as help to lift a lot of the worlds population out of poverty and in return we get higher fuel and food costs .

Increased food and fuel costs are a part of the global elites, controlled society plan. The only way any of the worlds societies can break away from them, would be to lower prices by increased distribution, in competition to the world powers.

The Tri-lateral commission, being food/consumables, energy/fuel, and money, control the world governments via those three keys. Which without, no government will survive these days. So, in essense, we need to complete with the elite in that area, creating our own markets and providers for those three keys.

Increase petrol production, lower the costs of living, and get rid of a privately oened federal reserve or world banking monopoly. All of which are artificially inflated to force society into dept. It is the NWO plan to bring a one world government.

Simple and obvious when you see the big picture.

Well since the world likes to say they hate America anyways, let's really show them the love.

Currently we spend about $2 billion/day on Foreign Aid by various things education visas, disaster relief, military support, etc. Pull the plug, every last dime. Take that money and buy long range (300-400 mile per charge) electric cars and have an even swap for the of gas burners for the new cars (think of a big time push, pull or drag sale). Make trade in day begin July 4, 2009 (Independence Day for those that do not know).

Just announcing that plan should make gasoline drop to about $0.50/gallon and OPEC would be willing to give oil away just to stay in business.

I highly doubt that they give a dam about people(no matter how many) marching in the streets of Washington DC, because of high gas prices. In the long run people will only be hurting themselves and will be sent back to work with low morale. Well that's just my 2 cents.

Vegetable oil is the way to go if you have a car or truck that runs on diesal. All you have to do is buy the system then you have FREE gas. My friends dad does it and all he does is go around to all the restaurants and take the oil have thier hands for free (if he didn't they would have to pay to dispose of the oil) then converts it to gas. He even sells it for 3.00 a gallon!!! The system is expensive to buy ( 1,500-3,000) but thats what your going to spend on gas in the next 6 months to a year.

I do agree with what several of you have said, that individuals who believe that freedom from economic oppression is vital to all other freedoms must compete with the elites by equipping themselves with alternative technologies. I believe that would accomplish far more than protests.

The only fly in the buttermilk there is that it takes money. Now if I owned my own home and had maybe 20,000 dollars lying around under the matress, bet your bippie I'd buy an electric car, or if need be get a handy friend or family member to help me convert mine (fringe benefits of having operating engineers in your family), and I'd set up some form of power generation in my back yard- whether it was a compost pile for methane to fuel a generator, or a sterling motor, or whatever, and essentially I'd take my home off the grid so that I was guaranteed low cost energy thanks to my own investment and ingenuity.

But I don't own my own home and I don't even have 1 thousand dollars lying around- and that's a circumstance the elites have worked hard to put people in.

This goes back to my original response, that people with jobs wont rock the boat. The working poor are among the easiest people to control. It's a matter of Maslow's heirarchy.

The unemployed have their survival threatened and will protect themselves at all costs. The affluent can afford to be ambitious and aspire to political power, so they will get involved in revolutions when the weather is favorable.

The working poor though just want a little security and stability to go with their subsistence. They don't like having the boat rocked. The goal is to level us off at a low cost of living and a bare bones lifestyle, then put us to work in factories when the wages get low enough. America may be the greatest country on Earth in the eyes of its own citizens, but in the eyes of American businessmen, China is the greatest, and that's what they want to turn America into.

How rare is the kind of man who will sacrifice the livelihood of his family for the noble but frankly abstract notion of liberty? Rare. So the poor will protest alone, and nobody will say much when the military crushes them for it, just like the Bonus Army.

Personally I would say that wherever you are in the world and it is time to go and vote for your next PM, President, Dictator then just do two things.

Take the day off work and don't bother voting, yes I know there are a few places that need to be manned 24/7 like nuclear plants and military bases, but if every other sector of working life just took the day off then two things happen.

Your country comes to a grinding halt and the politicians suddenly realise they no longer hold the power.

Maybe we should organise a World Day Off Day, no need to go on a march to protest, just do nothing but enjoy the days holiday

The answer isn't in placing force, energy, and opposition to those who are criminally manipulating society and robbing the public of the money and energy needed to prosper or survive.


The answer is placing that human energy and attention towards alternatives. Every fiber of my being tells me that there are answers out there in new fuel sources, new technologies, and clever ways of gathering energy from places we don't usually consider.


It's not about fighting the power, it's about empowering yourself. Feed evil no energy and it will wither on the vine.


Turning to a political figure as a savior is a waste of time when we are all our own heroes.

[edit on 21-5-2008 by ianr5741]

I already am resigned to the fact, my next car will be electric. We may keep our gas one for long strips.

The sure fire job of the future is going to be conversion garages. Start one of these and become rich.

I'm too old. So I give you that idea for free.

I recently read of a company, the only of its kind in the US, that takes cars and trucks, strips them out of engine and exhaust and loads them up with with 15 to 20 fuel cells and regenerative braking. At the cost of about 15k. Vehicles have range of 50 miles. Cost 75 cents per night to recharge of 120volts. If I had the means I'd arrange to purchase a new ford ranger sans the engine and exhaust. And have this company deck it. I had my yokohamas summer tires swapped out with my blizzaks and an oil change on my gs400. Filled it up with 89, had a quarter tank, (only used 93 or 94 previously) and that was 52.40. And it had a quarter tank. I have clamped down on every penny I can. I make a pot of soup once a week. Haven't had a steak in 4 months. No cable. Try to only run one high draw electrical item at a time i.e. washer OR dryer. Five or six dollars a gallon will hit the breaking point. We are already on tipping point. Not so much the actual primary costs, but more the secondary price hikes in food prices from high trucking costs. I only thought going survival was some far off (10 to 20 yrs away) actuality. I think it is much nearer than many of us suspect.

[edit on 5/25/2008 by jpm1602]

I just want to say that's just ignant how much they charge us for gas. I have a car in the garage right now that I can't do anything with it because of gas prices. It really takes a toll on a young man such as myself. I guess they want all of us inside the house on internet forums like ATS trying to find new methods for transportation. I mean who do we have do have to F--- around here for cheaper gas.

[edit on 25-5-2008 by pak88]

The television special "Out of Gas - We Were Warned" made me so sick... not because there isn't a problem today, but because the oil companies, car companies, and capitalist rulers all around the world have profited form this antiquated technology, and put every effort into

making sure we have no alternative!

... as if it is the consumer's fault?!

If we had electric cars, or something that helped a regular car get better mileage, we would be all over it. Where are the sugar cane fields to produce ethanol? (rather than burning food corn) Where are the fancy carburetor patents that have all been shelved? Where is all the research into fusion taking us? Where are the solar panels and windmills? Where is all the battery technology? Where is all the hydrogen supplement technology? I mean seriously... with all the money, research and technology that has been going into producing weapons, couldn't we have solved the supply needs of humanity so that we wouldn't have to fight over oil in the first place by now????

Today we're living a scenario of supply and demand gone mad. We're not in a free market economy, we're all victims of the manipulations of an oil cartel and unless we find some way of getting our cars around without gasoline they're going to keep cranking up the prices until it absolutely crushes this economy.

Every one of us better be doing everything we can to come up with options, because like it or not, we're going to have to use them.

What ever happened to government work relief programs? Why not have a work relief, funded by government for unemployed people to build oil refineries in the U.S? It would'nt fix problems overnight but it could help in the long run. Plus it would give unemployed people a steady form of income and a chance to learn a new trade. And not just one time stimulus check, to put a band-aid over a bigger problem.

The one and only way to reduce the cost of energy, not just gas but all energy. Is to stop using it. Please notice I did not say conserve it. I said stop using it.

We need to stop using it for a while. In every way we can. If we self impose a level of conservation which the manipulators have never conceived of. We need an energy consumers hunger strike. The industry will be forced to reduce prices to save their profit margins.

The corporations have jacked up the prices to make more profit selling less product. Genious!

We need to consume less product, to kill their profits.

We need to create a drop in consumption which is alarming to them. They have carefully orchestrated a very heavy handed ratcheting down of our way of life. We need to do the same for theirs.

We need to grind consumption to an unsustainable low for long enough to get their attention. Not unsustainable for us, unsustainable for them.

Corporations must answer to investors. For this reason, I recommend a shut down for at least a week, followed by minimum sustainable consumption. (sustainable by us)

Add to that a dumping of all investments in main stream energy stocks or funds with investments in mainstream energy. The mere threat of this will drop the value of oil futures and force the price per barrel down in a collapse of the bubble.

Many phone calls to brokers inquiring about this will need to be made, to shake the investment market along with the industry.

No air conditioners, no driving, No lights. Unplugging everything we can.

We must all be willing to act in unity if we are to save ourselves from this predatory destruction of our way of life. There are alternatives, the transition does not need to be as destructive as it is being made.

The good pastor below left out a few other groups but he expresses the remorse well enough when it came to his turn.
Maybe those other groups turn came after his. We are all being ground down. We are all effected here.

Pastor Martin Niemöller
First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

The Federal Government goes into the Energy Business and assures a constant and low price for energy. They keep the profits and cut taxes.
Who do those natural resources in the U.S. belong to anyway.
Governments are notoriously inefficeint and so cannot compete in a freemarket effectively, so it is not competition.

Americans are employed by the government in the most inefficient way possible producing all that wonderful power. Hooray U.S.A!