US Soldier Uses the Quran for Target Practice

Originally posted by Rasobasi420

And your numbers are off centurion.

a very few people were kidnapped and decapitated by a very few muslims. If that's your case for judgment then lets burn the bible for the people the Klan hanged and burned in it's name. For that matter, lets burn the constitution in response to any atrocity committed by an American citizen.

Numbers? What numbers? Someone tried to make it look like only Americans are bad guys because 1 soldier shot up a koran. I just pointed out that what some muslims do is much worse. And I stand on those commets as being factual.

I also wanted to make one more point about the Quran. It's easy for us Westerners to compare it to the Bible because both are books of sacred texts. However, and I know this comparison will not sit well with most of you - the Qur' an should actually be compared more to Jesus than to the Bible. For Islam, the Qur'an is the final divine revelation of God. It is God's word made incarnate on the Earth - much in the same way Christians view Jesus. It is God's literal Word. If you're able to view this from their perspective, then it's not difficult to see how insulting this action actually was. So, no - it's not just a book...it's the entire Muslim religion that he was shooting at. What's really unfortunate is that the relationship between U.S.-backed Sunni militiamen and our military in this part of Baghdad was actually a positive progressive one. They were working together. This might have ended that progress all together.

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[edit on 18/5/08 by WickedStar]

Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
To them it's more than a text, it's a symbol of the entire religion. Within it, is outlined all the adherences that every Muslim must make to live their lives according to the word of Allah.
Yes it may seem a little extreme or otherworldly, but that's how they've lived for over 1,500 years. Just respect it for god's sake.

Until every religious relic, book, symbol, whatever is given respect, why should anyone respect the Quran.

People have stuck a crucifix in piss and got taxpayer funding for it. To many Christians and especially Catholics, a crucifix is more than a statue, it is a symbol of an entire religion.

An artist getting taxpayer funding (what happened to seperation of church and state?) and a soldier shooting a quran is the same thing. Let us get rid of the double standard first before we argue on the morals of the issue.

Ahh another typical thread of muslim haters get-together

Surprisingly I couldn't find a post suggesting nukin all muslims

I am sick of hearing the rights the soldier has.What about the rights of those who have been bombed out to the max?

Its like Bush missing his golf over couple thousand dead US soldiers

reply to post by wutone


Not the same thing. A soldier is not an artist. A soldier is a walking piece of government property representing governmental values and ideologies. What a soldier does represents the official stance of the US government and military.

We all know that if a Muslim had dared doing the same thing to the Bible, that the Vatican, and 2/3's of America would have been puffing up their chests at that being such an outrage.



Freedom of religion should be respected the entire world over. Muslim, Christian, Cathlolic, Buddhism, Taosim, and any other religion should be treated with equal measure, and let each other respect one another for their views and desires to worship as something that is their independant right.

No one should be forced into one religion or another. This is not the Crusades nor is it the Spanish Inquisition. How ignorant you are if you can't respect someone else's desire for independance of religion and they the same of you.

reply to post by Rasobasi420


Took the words right out my mouth.

An artist is an expressive professional, he represents no one but himself and his own views. Artists have their own takes and perceptions that is represented in their works. An artist does not have to conform to set standards or principles.

A soldier is bound by and represents his nations values and principles. You fight not only protect your life, you fight to protect your principles.
What the soldier does in the name of his country and government in effect speaks for them.
Thus when the soldier does something wrong, it is as if the nation he/she represents is accountable. It's far more serious.

Yes not all religions may receive enough respect or attention but deliberately disrespecting them and outright espousing your hatred for them should never be condoned.
Were this a Muslim man desecrating the Bible there would be no shortage of people who want this guy discharged, jailed or killed outright.

Our military is designed to kill people and break things. The Kuran is the satanic writings of our mortal enemies. I say hoorah for the bravery of this soldier. He gives the exact amount of respect this death cult of Islam deserves.

This may be news to the multi-culturalists, but not all cultures or belief systems are created equally. The muslim religion specifically calls Jews pigs and admonishes it's adherents to slaughter rape and despoil unbelievers. By contrast , Jesus, in the New Testament of the Bible admonishes his followers to love their enemies and to do good to those who abuse you. Pop quiz:, which religion is more likely to be of God?

Thus while we can love the muslim, being a member of mankind and created in God's image, it's perfectly reasonable and honest to hate, despise, and ridicule the satanic religion that has enslaved him.

reply to post by SevenThunders


Lets not forget killing them to save their souls.


Thanks for the laugh 7. But, in case you didn't know, the military isn't Christian. This isn't a crusade and the military isn't the Christian religion's personal hit squad.

Originally posted by SevenThunders
Our military is designed to kill people and break things. The Kuran is the satanic writings of our mortal enemies. I say hoorah for the bravery of this soldier. He gives the exact amount of respect this death cult of Islam deserves.

This may be news to the multi-culturalists, but not all cultures or belief systems are created equally. The muslim religion specifically calls Jews pigs and admonishes it's adherents to slaughter rape and despoil unbelievers. By contrast , Jesus, in the New Testament of the Bible admonishes his followers to love their enemies and to do good to those who abuse you. Pop quiz:, which religion is more likely to be of God?

Thus while we can love the muslim, being a member of mankind and created in God's image, it's perfectly reasonable and honest to hate, despise, and ridicule the satanic religion that has enslaved him.

I have to ask you a question. Have you actually read the Quran, word for word? Or are these beliefs taught, just like our Bible, throughout different and various "Christian" religions to be segmented in thoughts and beliefs?

If you have not read the Quran, and no I have not, then you know nothing of what you speak. The Art of War teaches you to know and understand your enemies better so as to better be able to understand how to defeat him/her through their own beliefs, strengths, and weaknesses. Even if you totally disagreed with the book after having read it, you might actually learn to be a better soldier.

What I want to know is,


Why is peace always out of the question when we have never really bothered to try it?

If that solder can hit that god forsaken book at 100 yards or so, I want at least a division of them. That's fairly decent shooting.

Let's be real politically correct here. If it was a silhouette of a person running, one could make a very derogatory comment about a running black person. Would this even be news or reported or would the military just handle it in a very quiet manor which is the same as the satanic book issue should have been done.

I have a problem with the reporters making these reports just to stir up the already angry masses to build more hatred which means, more news and more money for reporting news.

If we had to fight WW2 in today's media, we would have to surrender as we are the only people who want to play fair in war.

reply to post by SevenThunders


Hey Pastor... here's a few loving and caring verses for you:

Numbers 31:17, 40
[Verse 17, Moses says:] "Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

Proverbs 23:13-14
Do not withhold discipline from a child. If you beat him with a rod, he will not die. If you beat him with the rod, you will save his life from Sheol.

Genesis 19:4-8
"I beg you, my brothers, do not act so wickedly. Behold, I have two daughters who have not known man; let me bring them out to you, and do to them as you please; only do nothing to these men, for they have come under the shelter of my roof."

Exodus 21, 22, and 23
"... When you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing."

Exodus 21, 22, and 23
"When a man strikes the eye of his slave, male or female, and destroys it, he shall let the slave go free for the eye's sake. If he knocks out the tooth of his slave, male or female, he shall let the slave go free for the tooth's sake."

Numbers 5:17, 24-28
"And he shall make the woman drink the water of bitterness that brings the curse, and the water that brings the curse shall enter into her and cause bitter pain. … If she has acted unfaithfully against her husband, … her body shall swell, and her thigh shall fall away, and the woman shall become an execration among her people.

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See? Everything can be taken out of context. Don't be so narrow-minded, and take your half-assed conversion attempt somewhere else would you?

Originally posted by WickedStar
The question is then begged: Why?

Perhaps he wanted to get the heck out of Iraq and this was one way that he thought he could.

Perhaps he's over worked and he wasn't thinking straight.

Perhaps he's a wise-acre who is used to getting his own way back home and being able to do what he wants... and he didn't expect to get in trouble.

Perhaps he's an idiot.

Perhaps he’s tired of being shot at by so-called ‘peaceful muslims’ who follow the Quran.

Perhaps he was having fun and didn't think he'd get caught.

Perhaps he didn’t get the proper ‘culture sensitivity’ training. Or if he got it, he didn’t care.

Perhaps ....etc etc etc

Originally posted by LostNemesis
No more funny than if someone was using a Christian bible, though, and had Christians screaming out in anger.:

And there is the difference. Christians might become disgusted and speak out against it. But they wouldn't declare jihad and go out and murder because of it. That is probably what we will hear of next on this. It's their M.O.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
a very few people were kidnapped and decapitated by a very few muslims.

I disagree

Originally posted by WickedStar
the Qur' an should actually be compared more to Jesus than to the Bible.

The GITMO prisoners were flushing their own Qur'ans and treating their own with disrespect. Guess they only get upset with non-muslims do it, eh?

Originally posted by Attari
I am sick of hearing the rights the soldier has.

You would be.

Originally posted by hinky
If we had to fight WW2 in today's media, we would have to surrender as we are the only people who want to play fair in war.

You are sooooooooooooooooo right!

Originally posted by proteus33
its a flippin book get over it already.

Yep.



[edit on 5/18/2008 by FlyersFan]

Originally posted by vor78
While I disagree with his actions, he has freedom of speech and expression as protected by the First Amendment. As long as he actually owned it, he was within those rights to destroy that Quran, no matter how short sighted or counterproductive his actions may have been. I would imagine that the military was also well within its rights to discipline him for taking an action which could foster resentment and hatred against US troops.

Actually he doesn't. He has only the rights guaranteed him by the UCMJ. Constitutional Rights do NOT apply to military members.

I think in a campaign where we're supposedly trying to win hearts and minds, this comes as a major slap in the face to Muslims world wide.

This shows what just what kind of mentality US troops have. They have no respect for Iraqis or their religion.

Individual incidents like this makes one ask the question from where do these soldiers get their views and opinions about Islam from?

The media and politicians have a lot to answer for since their Islamophobic comments lead to their soldiers engaging in acts like this and worse.

You can legislate laws to appease the offended, but you can't legislate the (sick) Islamophobic minds of people. This is a matter between the soldier and his creator.

I've enjoyed the "freedom of religion" posts.

If the Muslims and the West's positions were reversed, do you think Christianity would exist any more? If they had the power to convert by the sword, they would.

Freedom of religion is our idea. They don't agree with it. Let's remember that.

Well I suppose every radical Muslim will want to go to war over this issue. A book can be destroyed but not the words so I hope they don't make a big deal out of it.

Originally posted by Attari
you can't legislate the (sick) Islamophobic minds of people. This is a matter between the soldier and his creator.

:shk: What a jump in (alleged) logic. Suddenly the guy is now 'Islamophobic'?

He couldn't possibly be just doing something stupid.
He couldn't possibly be just overworked and not thinking straight.
He couldn't possibly be bucking to get the heck out of Iraq.
He couldn't possibly be a wise-acre thinking he wouldn't get caught doing a prank (like many young people his age do).

He is suddenly 'Islamophobic'.
That has no logic and makes absolutely NO SENSE. :shk:

reply to post by freedomforall


That's exactly my point Freedomforall. For them, it's not just some book. It is the living, breathing word of Allah. Muslims and especially the pius muslims take every effort to even prevent dust from settling on the Qu'ran. That is why I made the correlation between how Muslims feel about the Qu'ran and how Christians feel about Jesus. They feel about the two in exactly the same way.

Originally posted by WickedStar
the Qur' an should actually be compared more to Jesus than to the Bible.

FlyersFan, you replied:
The GITMO prisoners were flushing their own Qur'ans and treating their own with disrespect. Guess they only get upset with non-muslims do it, eh?

I could only speculate that they did so under extreme duress. We've all heard what happens at Guantanamo Bay. So it could easily be assumed that they were forced to do this.

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