California Supreme Court strikes down the state's ban on same-sex marriage as unconstitutional.

But its not over yet.

An initiative banning same-sex marriage has already been proposed for California's November 2008 ballot. Unlike the anti-gay marriage initiative that failed in Arizona in April, the upcoming one in California one takes narrow aim at marriage itself, leaving domestic partnerships alone. If that initiative succeeds, Thursday's court opinion will be wiped off the books. If it fails, opponents of same-sex marriage will no longer be able to say that activist judges have imposed their mores on an unwilling Californian public.

www.slate.com...

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I was born and bred in SOCA - but I'm not there now.

Make sure you and everyone you know votes when this comes up.

reply to post by TKainZero


1. The population is near 7 billion right? Homosexuality isn't new. The Worlds' population is increasing. So speculating the survivability of our species is a moot point. Or do you believe tolerance to homosexuality turns straight people gay? If heterosexual people magically turned homosexual from instances like legalizing same-sex marriage...then you might have a point...but it doesn't, so you don't.

2. The same healthy aspects attributed to heterosexuality are attributed to homosexuality. Sexuality; that's what it is for both. And hopefully it manifests through a loving relationship(s).

First post since opening this thread....just woke up.

Massachusetts passed a law permitting gay marriage in 2004, I believe. There has been one instance, at least, where a snag in the fabric has surfaced:

A lesbian couple got married in Mass., and moved to Rhode Island. The relationship fell apart, and they sought a divorce in RI. But RI refused to issue the divorce, saying they did not recognize the original marriage.

They solution? One of the pair needed to move to Massachusetts and live there for a year to establish residency, so they could get divorced in Massachusetts.

The problem: lack of reciprocity between states. A same sex marriage may not be recognized in other states.

reply to post by Lucid Lunacy


I am grateful for this day. I will soon be able to be married without the governement telling me otherwise. We will be happy to be able to adopt 3 or 4 more children to have in our home. Most people look on our love with hatred and disdain. They think it is unnatural. How can you deny our natural love for one another? I did not choose it, but was born with it. I cannot deny it. We will raise some wonderful children. It may be difficult for the new children to understand the family at first, knowing who their mother is......if it is Samantha, Julia, Allison, Camille, Rhonda, Kelly, Sara, Rebecca, or Amy. Our family is truly one of "Big-Love". Thank goodness for the courts.

Or how about this one:

I am grateful for this day. Me and my loving wife Amanda will now be able to legally marry without the government telling us otherwise. I will be happy to adopt 3 or 4 children to have in our home. It may be a little demanding as I will have to do most of the work myself. But with Amanda's love, it is possible. Most people look on our love with hatred and disdain. They think it is unnatural. How can you deny our natural love for one another? I did not choose it, but was born with it. I cannot deny it. We will raise some wonderful children. They will have problems understanding Amanda at first, as she cannot speak english. Maybe someday we will be able to teach horses to speak. Thank goodness for the courts.

reply to post by jon123


I'm confused...what exactly does gays getting married have to do with polygamy or beastiality?

Marriage in the legal sense is just an officially recognized contract which has been entered into by 2 consenting adults. The court's ruling hasn't altered anything about that. It has only said that the laws regarding marriage can not exclude a couple from getting married based soley on whether or not they are of the same sex.

Polygamy automatically fails to qualify due to the fact that more than 2 parties are involved.
Beastiality fails because an animal that is not human cannot give its consent, and neither for that matter can a child.

Originally posted by jsobecky
The problem: lack of reciprocity between states. A same sex marriage may not be recognized in other states.

Thanks for bringing that point up

Of course my answer to that is:

The more reason to push the other States to legalize same-sex marriage!

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Originally posted by jon123
It may be difficult for the new children to understand the family at first, knowing who their mother is......if it is Samantha, Julia, Allison, Camille, Rhonda, Kelly, Sara, Rebecca, or Amy. Our family is truly one of "Big-Love".

Because all homosexual are whores? Is that what you're saying?

If you truly think there are not monogamous homosexual couples that have similar relationship values... then you truly need to open your eyes, and open your heart, and meet new people.

BTW: Big-Love is a show about heterosexual polygamy. Was that a Freudian slip?

Or how about this one:

Me and my loving wife Amanda will now be able to legally marry without the government telling us otherwise. I will be happy to adopt 3 or 4 children to have in our home. It may be a little demanding as I will have to do most of the work myself.

"Myself"? What? Why?... What does homosexuality have to do with who is taking care of the kids? Heterosexual marriages sometimes have a "stay at home parent" and sometimes they are afforded the luxury of both being with the kids often. It's different with homosexuals? Why? It's societal factors, not sexual orientation that would determine that! Are you at least trying to use intelligence? You have to step it up a notch! This is ATS!

They will have problems understanding Amanda at first, as she cannot speak English.

Because she's a newborn?

Never mind you meant to say homosexual kids are retarded? Handicapped? Broken? Yeah yeah, same cold ignorant crap over and over and over.

Maybe someday we will be able to teach horses to speak.

Ah... not mentally challenged... but freaks of nature. I get it. You realize homosexual women still use male sperm to conceive right? You realize most of the kids that homosexual couples would adopt would be from heterosexual parents, right? So you making fun of the children homosexual couples would be loving and caring for... well, what the hell are you arguing?

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I could not care less if gays or lesbians get married. However, the VOTERS said "no" to gay marriage and that should be the end of the story. Legislating from the bench is not the purpose of the courts. This was not a statute enacted by the state, it was something voted into law by THE PEOPLE.

congratulations to all homosexual,but this is not only a victory for them, but is also a victory against the facist religion and the close-minded.

LOVE IS LOVE----

[- i do not like the way the goverment did this, it is the facist way if you ask me-]

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I am very glad that the homosexual communities are finally getting their rights. I never understood why it was illegal. The only reason I know of that would make it illegal is that the bible says it's wrong and the majority of our nation is christian. Other than that their is nothing different between two men or women together than there is for a man and a woman. Like I have always heard "Love knows no bounds." I think that applies very well here. Anyway, again congratulations to the homosexual communities for their milestone in their fight for equality!

Prepare for judgement day, repent and flee California while you can, for soon it will be torn apart.............

Originally posted by WhatTheory

Umm.....Marriage is defined as a union between a man and a woman. End of discussion.

Being homosexual is just not natural and is a defect within the body, like when someone is born with a physical or mental handicap. Like all species, we are born to multiply and two men cannot.


End of discussion saith who?
What does multiplication have to do with the freedom of two consenting adults? People have children without getting married all the time--they also get married and decide not to. I don't see your point.

"Being homosexual is just not natural and is a defect within the body, like when someone is born with a physical or mental handicap. Like all species, we are born to multiply and two men cannot"


There is tremendous amounts of gay sex in the animal kingdom, forced or otherwise; dolphins, sheep, primates, crustaceans, you name it. That is an ignorant statement regarding defects, if so then most of Nature is defective. This statement deserves to be examined, and nuetered as it flys in the face of known science.

Mark Bingham was one of the passengers that fought back during the United 93 terrorist hijacking, one brave soul. He was gay, and more a Man than the self righteous frauds that inhabit the world.

We are supposed to acknowledge he would not be allowed to marry...
Exactly what do people need to do to be accepted as a human being and live their lives in peace ?

Marriage is a human right. Frankly, I'm happy these judges did what they did... no one should be allowed to deny someone their rights as a human being just because of personal bigotry. Congratulations to the LGBT community in California, and I hope that one day gay marriage will be respected across America.

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Originally posted by skoalman88
I could not care less if gays or lesbians get married. However, the VOTERS said "no" to gay marriage and that should be the end of the story. Legislating from the bench is not the purpose of the courts. This was not a statute enacted by the state, it was something voted into law by THE PEOPLE.

What if THE PEOPLE voted for a proposition that said police could come into your house at any time without notice and without a warrant to search for drugs, weapons, or any evidence of a crime. Would you be OK with that, because the people want it? Of course not. And the court should and would strike down such a law, even if the majority of people in the state wanted it. Simple fact is, you can't pass a law that unconstitutional, even if most people want it. That's not legislating from the bench. That's upholding the State Constitution.

why is it so important to tell somebody whom they can or can't marry? If they are of age, what's the issue? Disease? Aids? Man made look up DR MARY SHERMAN and the underground laboratories of New orleans. The bible? Umm, multi translated text that includes many concepts that were put for control purposes. It's all a sham. The whole story of sodom and gamorrah is extremely misinterpreted, but then again so is the story of Adam and eve and his FIRST WIFE LILITH. Look that one up bible beaters...

Originally posted by TKainZero
Heres a very simple ilistration.


Go to a power outlet in your house.

The working mechinism is:
A. A 'female' hole that
B. the 'Male' prong inserts into

Noe please take 2 male parts... how does that work?

[edit on 5/15/2008 by TKainZero]

Ah, all this stuff about gays reminds me of the blacks back in the day. Sad to see we're repeating the same mistake. Of course, it is the same people isn't it? The conservatives considered blacks to be less then human, and consider gays to be less then human. Blacks were dragged to death behind pickup trucks while the driver wore a white pointy hood. Now gays are hung from trees by people wearing little buttons on their shirt that say GOP. It's the same thing. Gay is the new black. I'm surprised they haven't set the dogs on them like they did to the blacks.

Even better these people who say Gays are wrong love pedophiles. See nothing wrong with what Mark Foley did, or Republican prosecutor John David Roy Atchison who was arrested for soliciting sex from a 5-year old girl, then killed himself three weeks later. At the time of his arrest, Atchison was an "assistant U.S. attorney" appointed by President Bush's attorney general. Heck they're still fighting for Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo who was arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy.

So I guess the moral of the story is, sex between two men, evil and wrong. Rape a little boy, you're a God on Earth.

Sad isn't it? Growing up in the times where blacks could be killed for drinking from the wrong fountain was bad. Thankfully the liberals have been able to keep the conservatives in check, mostly. You still get a few gays killed down in the south every month but no where near as bad as it was for the blacks.

reply to post by HHH Is King


that's the point I was trying to make. All a reason to shrink the circle of the privliged while demonizing another race, ethnicity, sexual preference. Meanwhile behind closed doors, it's all good. How many mixed slave babies where there? How about closet homo's in Washington DC? It's all a sham that these issues are even a problem, but then again it's a way to keep us from concentrating on real issues that affect us as HUMANS.

Gay curse, black curse, etc All the same propoganda...

i cant see the problem of same sex marriages it doesnt harm any one and it lets gay couples cement there love for one another.

for those that think its imoral or disgusting to be gay i pitty you and your bigotry ways and for those religous nuts if god created man/woman well then he created gays too so whats the problem ?

posted by u4ria(cant be arsed looking for my password right now)

reply to post by skoalman88


What is freedom if you can't marry who you want to. And the Supreme Court didn't enact anything, it stood by the Constitution and granted the rights that the Constitution granted them. This isn't a majority rule and I would never want the Supreme Court to take the majority rule over the Constitution. Love and peace to everyone.